People Who Say SWF Should Be Banned Has Never Gone Against People That Work Together

The amount of time saved by saying "hey I'll go unhook you stay on gens" alone is enormous in a game so time dependent.

If it stops 1 person from wasting 20-30sec running to unhook when someone else is three times in a game that's a gens worth of time.

That is the most basic aspect that any group of uncoordinated casual players can achieve on comms.

As solo I run kindered

Play some more Seal Team 6 squads then come back to us about how they're not meta.

I'm not gonna lie this the only reason I stopped going into the forums. So I thank you for saying this.

the reason SWF is so strong when compared to solo is, because SWF allows all participating survivors to obtain a lot of information that should usually be unobtainable for them.

here an example:

"the killer is camping my hook with insidious! dont come here!" - with this a SWF knows exactly what the killer is doing and can counteract accordingly.

solo survivors however do not have the ability to get that information, unless they sacrifice 25% of their perk slots for kindred. they will most likely run straight into the killers trap and die.

but the free information is by far not the only benefit SWF has. coordinated gameplay is extremely strong in this game. they can spread out and work on generators a lot more efficiently than solos, who most of the time have no idea what their team is doing. they can coordinate hook saves in order to not lose any time on their gens - a simple "i go for the rescue" is enough and no one but one is gonna leave their gen. solos - again - only have this kind of information when equipping kindred. and even then the information is, unless they are the one hooked, only obtainable for them, so there might still be someone going for a rescue from across the map when you are basically next to the hooked guy.

time is a crucial part in this game, killers always race against the clock and having a team coordinate against you and therefore not wasting any time is very strong.

not to mention, SWF can also adjust their builds to one another prior to the game. like, a solo player does not know what their team brings into the trial. we can only assume and see the item they have, but thats it. SWF knows exactly who brought what. a good example for that were the old insta heals. a coordinated SWF was able to pull off the most crazy ######### whith those, yet 4 solos rarely ever got to use them efficiently.

this game is balanced around having 4 solo survivors play against a killer. yet allowing the survivors to team up kinda breaks that balance. the survivors obtain much more knowledge and can be much more coordinated than solo survivors could ever be or the killer could handle.

the main problem here is, that we cant balance the game around SWF, since that would make the solo survivor experience horrendous, yet not balancing around SWF means that they will be able to stomp a lot of killers with ease.

its a lose lose situation, really.

SWF is not OP but the game is balanced according to SWF so solo survivor is really hard as is playing as killer against SWF when you get easy solo kills. So killers start complaining that SWF because they can say whether a killer is camping, which side of the map they are on, and totems they might have found, and solo are complaining because they don't have that advantage of knowing everything. The problem is that the game is being balanced for SWF when there are still solo players like myself so it's impossible to balance without one side being upset. They need to just make comms. for all survivor's so they can really balance the game. As of now killers are actually very strong for the most part but have a hard time against well coordinated SWF teams so they think the game is broken. I play both sides as solo so that's my opinion, just sayin...

A large portion of the bad killers will quickly shout SWF after getting rolled by solos.

Really unsurprising. Even if people mention an all meta team with x item (which they also refer to as death squads), and that they are really good at looping and split gen etc etc; they are 1 in a dozen. It's rare for killers to face death squads let alone back to back. Both sides always have something to complain about and for whatever reason instead of targeting the meta perks more they go after SWF and call it cheating lmao

Agreed except BT can also be a solo perk. It is a useful perk in general. You cant really tell a swf from BT. OoO and head on are much more telling. Head on becomes super coordinated when used by swf cheat squads and OoO makes it obvious when only one survivor has it and yet they all know when you are coming and from which direction .

That's not true at all lol. It might give some clues, but do you play solo survivor?

(From a solo PoV)

Timing of saves are entirely dependent on positioning. It doesn't matter if you're playing in a group or not. I could be closer than anyone or the furthest away.

The only solo perk you mentioned is Bond, which might give some indication of Solo Vs SWF, but I typically see this perk run in SWF groups with members less than 1k hours who don't particularly know the map too well other than the simple places (ie. Killer Shack). Borrowed time is a general use perk and I gladly use it while playing solo. Actually I'm not the only one, Tru3Talent has used this perk a lot when playing solo as well. The only perk that might cue you in to swf is OoO. I hardly see this perk in solo play.

Last note, teabagging is not swf exclusive.

If Killers can generally tell the difference then I sincerely doubt it's the way you depicted it to be.

***There's no real way to 100% be sure without asking in the end of the game or checking profile friend lists***

One person teabagging doesn't suggest SWF. One person running BT doesn't either. Neither does a particularly well timed save.

Now consider all of the above together and on three or more survivors.

• Everybody more or less running the same team perks.
• Everybody teabagging at each pallet
• If more than one person has a flashlight, they will ALL be clickers
• Most of the saves being timed just as you are beyond the point of returning (or the complete opposite - saving in front of the killer's face when they all know they have the full suite of second chance perks between them)

Together these do suggest they may are more likely to be a team. You also see similar play styles: Some teams all love to body block, some teams prefer to run near lockers to get Head-ons to activate, particularly altruistic teams tend to ALL be altruistic.

Remember there was a time when we KNEW that we were playing against 4 solos. That can be used as a point of reference as to how solos might play.

Yep. People also forget the game has changed A LOT.

You have way more tracking perks as a killer than you did before. Because if you want to complain about what the game ‘used’ to be about, immersion is right up there. Immersion is almost gone because the killer can spot you pretty quickly via tracking perks and they have also made maps brighter a long with clothing to prevent immersion.

you aren’t supposed to have info like when the killer leaves the hook, is in chase, etc. unless you specifically have a perk to have access to that info. that’s the point of the game?

comms kill the game.

It's a minority that wants SWF straight up removed or "banned" (I assume you mean swf removed and/or VOIP bannable by that?). And for good reason, as it's completely unfeasible and anyone taking that as a no-comrpomises stance should just uninstall to save themselves the frustration of never getting what they want, ever.

It's a tricky situation as there's no denying it's an advantage that people can get as much as they want out of (from your everyday casual party of people having a laugh to "death squads") and most actual discussion about it tends to be about stuff like buffing base survivors ("solos") and killers, letting killers know about SWF in advance or extra points. Or mechanical handicaps like decreased repair speed, and while I think even that's never gonna happen at least it's more feasible than "remove SWF".

Well thats some bullshit to say they dont exist.

Tunnelcamping doesnt exist. See?

Why would toxic SWF be such a big topic since release, if it "doesnt exist" or "rarely happens". Obviously its a big ######### deal

Point out where I said it doesn't exist. Exactly you can't because that's not what I said. If you actually read my comment then you would see it say it doesn't happen as often as you say it does. you might run into a few in red ranks but it's not every few games.

"I don't run into toxic swfs."

Point is, i dont really care wether its 40% or 60% or 80%. I've played years against 4-swfs in their sweatiest forms and know about the unbalance and how they never get fixed. We dont even get rewarded, no bloodpoint bonus, no balance changes. You get free insults though, now tell me, why a casual player would want to do this. Im a pretty hardcore gamer and i can beraly tolerate this

Communication is not op its extremely necessary imo. Playing solo is terrible due to the current match making getting.paired with rank 17 and 19s or players who just crouch and hide and wait for hatch to spawn is ridiculous. Playing with 3 others you SHOULD be able to communicate with each other if you're on the same team.

Well said. My former squad ( they quit playing ).😭😭 were all experienced players. We had been playing together since the game came to console ( ps4 ). We all played to relax, joke around, and have fun. Private chat room talking about all kinds of crazy stuff ( adults only ). Lol.. Not just the game. If the killer was cool, we sacrifice ourselves at endgame. If they were douchebags, well, they learned what an experienced squad can do. Our intention was never to bully the killer, but to make the game fun. ( Boop the snoot, butt dance with ghostface, ect. ) it's all what you make of it, and we try to make it fun.. I mean, it's just a video game..

I'm under the impression that your vision of an ideal game involves 4 minutes+ of a killer searching every locker/bush/corner on the map with barely any interaction between players. Please correct me if I'm wrong because that sounds boring and simply unhealthy to the overall state of the game.

I made a topic about it, which unfortuneatley got ignored.

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/132463/petition-to-either-create-ranked-and-casual-or-balance-the-game-around-swf#latest