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Would you like always having the option to Kill (Mori) the last Survivor?

List_of_concerns
List_of_concerns Member Posts: 182
edited September 2024 in Polls

For me, the Memento Mori Kill sequences are some of the greatest tributes Dead by Daylight has made to the Horror genre. As a quick reminder, the Cypress Memento Mori allows the Killer to Kill the last Survivor instead of Sacrificing them. In my opinion, allowing the Killer to perform a Memento Mori Kill on the last Survivor wouldn't have an impact on win or loss ratios. To accomplish this, the Cypress Memento Mori could be made into a standard feature in Dead by Daylight.

I would definitely find spectating more enjoyable if there was a chance to see a Memento Mori Kill sequence at the end of every Trial.

Would you like always having the option to Kill the last Survivor via a Memento Mori Kill sequence?

Would you like always having the option to Kill (Mori) the last Survivor? 76 votes

Yes. I would like the chance to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.
65%
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No. I would not like to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.
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Comments

  • List_of_concerns
    List_of_concerns Member Posts: 182
    Yes. I would like the chance to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    @Fibijean What if for all intents and purposes there was no way for the last Survivor to Escape? For example: What if the Hatch has been closed, the last survivor does not have a Key, neither Exit Gate has been opened, and the last Survivor is in the Dying State? It's not my goal for this change to affect win versus loss scenarios.

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342
    No. I would not like to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    I guess it would be okay in that scenario, but that's a very specific set of circumstances you would have to program it to recognise. It almost doesn't seem worth it at that point.

  • List_of_concerns
    List_of_concerns Member Posts: 182
    Yes. I would like the chance to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    @Fibijean I guess my counter would be: Perks. There are 134 Perks and almost all of them function under very specific sets of circumstances. All of those Perks must've been worth it. I have faith that BHVR could figure it out.

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342
    edited February 2020
    No. I would not like to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    That's not the same thing at all. Perks affect gameplay, what you're proposing is a purely cosmetic change. I'm sure they could do it, all I'm saying is that they probably wouldn't when it's just for visual pleasure and only happens under specific circumstances.

  • List_of_concerns
    List_of_concerns Member Posts: 182
    Yes. I would like the chance to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    @Fibijean I know it's not the same exact thing. It's a proof of concept. It demonstrates that they have the capability of making things function under very specific sets of circumstances. I'm not trying to imply that cosmetic changes are greater than or equal to gameplay changes.

  • NoMitherPlayer
    NoMitherPlayer Member Posts: 174
    No. I would not like to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    This would be great to see but I've to agree with Fibijean. This would be unfair in 99% of the situations, survivors can clutch it!

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342
    No. I would not like to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    Of course - again, I never denied that they could do it, all I said was that it didn't seem worth it given how niche and unimpactful a change it would be, nice as it might be to have in theory.

  • DetailedDetriment
    DetailedDetriment Member Posts: 2,632
    No. I would not like to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    This would be another form of toxic killer behavior. Besides, you have always had to work for the mori; just giving it away is pathetic.

  • PlantCollector
    PlantCollector Member Posts: 344
    No. I would not like to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    It's not that i don't like your idea, but i think this will encourage people to slug even more at the end of the game to get their 4k. Im sorry, but im not a fan of lying on the ground for 4 minutes so people can get their mori.

    Im not a fan of the mori offerings at all. I really like rancor and devour because they enable the mori without shifting the balance heavily on one side and it feels satisfying, if you got them with these perks.

  • List_of_concerns
    List_of_concerns Member Posts: 182
    Yes. I would like the chance to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    @Fibijean I think I might've needed an undecided option. From where I'm sitting you've changed your mind a few times.

    For example:

    "If this were a purely cosmetic change I'd be all for it." - Fibijean

    "...what you're proposing is a purely cosmetic change." - Fibijean

    Another example:

    "the possibility of succeeding DC or wiggling out and getting the hatch does exist" - Fibijean

    "given how niche and unimpactful a change it would be" - Fibijean

  • SnakeSound222
    SnakeSound222 Member Posts: 4,467
    Yes. I would like the chance to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    Yes because you’re already ######### at that point. Your chances of escaping are too low. I think that’s also the reason you can’t kobe if you’re the last Survivor left.

  • Gibberish
    Gibberish Member Posts: 1,063
    Yes. I would like the chance to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    I see no real reason Cypress Mori shouldnt be base kit. It does basically nothing but end the game with a bit of flair.

  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342
    edited February 2020
    No. I would not like to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    Fair enough. Let me clarify, then:

    The first set of statements ("If this were a purely cosmetic change I'd be all for it" and "the possibility of succeeding DC or wiggling out and getting the hatch does exist") were made in response to your initial idea - that is, the idea of allowing killers to mori the last survivor in a trial, period.

    The second set of statements ("what you're proposing is a purely cosmetic change" and "given how niche and unimpactful a change it would be") were made in response to your revised idea, of allowing killers to mori the last survivor only if the hatch is closed, there is no key in play, and neither exit gate has been opened. In responding to that idea specifically, my position was that while I personally would be happy for it to be implemented, I couldn't see the devs doing so. This was for a couple of reasons - partly because cosmetic changes have no impact on gameplay and are therefore unlikely to be prioritised above things like bug fixes and new mechanics, and partly because although it was now purely cosmetic and therefore "fair", the amount of conditions you needed to place on it to make it so ensured it would only activate under a very specific set of circumstances. And a cosmetic change which only activates in maybe 5% of games, while I would personally have no problems with it if it were implemented, doesn't seem like something that would make it onto the devs' to-do list at the moment.

    In summary, those seemingly conflicting statements you quoted were responding to two separate ideas, and expressing my difference in opinion over each of them. I was against the first idea, because it would affect gameplay. I was all for the revised idea in theory, but didn't think it would be worth implementing from a practical standpoint because of how niche it was. I hope that clears things up.

  • batmanscar
    batmanscar Member Posts: 466
    Yes. I would like the chance to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    if you have the mori add-on equipped then yes the devs should not remove that from the game

  • List_of_concerns
    List_of_concerns Member Posts: 182
    Yes. I would like the chance to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    I also think this would be great to see.

    If you're the last survivor, and you've just been downed (put into the dying state), how could you escape? The Killer is right next to you, so Unbreakable would not save you. You're not going to win a race to the hatch while you're on the ground. Hooks have been revamped to be closer together, so wiggling will not save you.

    Other than using Decisive Strike, how could you escape? What are these other situations?

  • NoMitherPlayer
    NoMitherPlayer Member Posts: 174
    No. I would not like to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    Anticipating. Ds or unbreakable are good perks but they can't match a good idea. That survivor, knowing he would be downed might have had a plan since it was easy to expect. One example getting downed close from the hooks where his fellow survivors died (Which can't respawn then). Every game is different, out of the thousands variables which occurs into one game being aware of a few of those and using these might save you. + The killer is not a robot he's capable of insane mistakes. Even if it's extremely rare it's not over til it's over. Basically gambling on 0,1%. Perks ideas? boil over+ that ash perk to recover wiggle progression.

  • List_of_concerns
    List_of_concerns Member Posts: 182
    Yes. I would like the chance to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make. Could you elaborate?

    I wasn't aware that using a Cypress Memento Mori was considered toxic behavior. It's the least intrusive Memento Mori available. You work for a Memento Mori because you have to purchase it in the Bloodweb? You work for it because you have to equip it?

  • SirCracken
    SirCracken Member Posts: 1,414
    Yes. I would like the chance to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    Depending on the killer you play as, hooking a survivor and then killing them the moment they get off the hook can be laughably easy.

    If anything, killing 3/4 survivors would take way more effort than Red/Green Mori's require now and would be a welcome edition to the game.

  • inago
    inago Member Posts: 11
    Yes. I would like the chance to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    To me I would feel that this would be a consolation prize for being the last one to be killed instead of the normal hook death. If this would be implemented I would like there to be more Mori's perhaps make them store bought or with the rift.

  • Seiko300
    Seiko300 Member Posts: 1,862
    edited March 2020
    No. I would not like to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    While it sounds like a fun idea, and I do agree with you that "the Memento Mori Kill sequences are some of the greatest tributes Dead by Daylight has made to the Horror genre." there are a few things that I don't like about it.

    For one, this has some lore implications that I'm not sure about, the whole shtick behind the story is that the killers are supposed to be sacrificing the survivors to the Entity, and are only ever allowed to kill on their own if they present the entity with an offering. (Memento mori) of course I don't doubt the devs could find some way to explain this away if they ever decided to go through with this kind of change (rewarding the killer for doing a good job getting 3k, last is yours kinda deal) but still

    Now, some people could quite honestly care less for lore, they don't read it and they just don't care for it. However I'd point out that using a memento mori has always given you less bloodpoints, this again, like it or not has its roots in the lore of the game. The entity rewards you the most when you offer up the survivors as sacrifices on the hooks not when you decide to kill them yourself. Now that being said are they going to change those scoring events in order to accommodate for these changes? If a memento mori is something every killer has the option to do to a survivor on death hook will you earn the same amount of bloodpoints as sacrificing them? Because I'm honestly not a fan of coming out of matches consistently with less bloodpoints because I decided to mori "for the experience / tribute to the horror genre". The grind itself is enough incentive for me to not even use the feature if it was offered like this. I've still got plenty of killers and survivors I want to P3 and I'm not going to be doing that any quicker (in fact I'll be doing it slower) if I decide to mori the last survivor in every match I 4k but the mori still awards me with less bloodpoints.

    Finally if you're able to mori survivors on Death Hook that kind of needlessly detracts from certain off meta strategies that don't need to be detracted from. IE it renders the sabotage strategy more useless than it already is, or pro wiggling loadouts for survivors who might be running things like Flip-flop, boil over, tenacity, etc. but they don't even get the chance to use these perks to possibly escape because everybody decides to mori everybody after this change is implemented (unless you're a fiend for bloodpoints like me). I don't know about you guys but I am not a fan of pushing forward a stationary, never evolving meta which never changes. I want to encourage both survivors and killers to try out as many new playstyles as possible and by making Mori's available to everybody, you end up just pushing these strategies even further back into obscurity and decrease their viability even more. I would much rather see a survivor escape me because he was running flip flop or unbreakable than because he was running exhaustion perks and other frequently seen meta perks.

  • Joelwino
    Joelwino Member Posts: 550
    edited March 2020
    Yes. I would like the chance to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    Yes, but with one condition. The description on the cypress memento mori reads: "you worked well, the last one is yours." So the condition is that you can only mori the last survivor when the other three survivors are sacrificed or dead. If even one of them has escaped, you are unable to mori them.

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  • PrettyFaceKate
    PrettyFaceKate Member Posts: 1,776
    edited March 2020
    No. I would not like to see the last Survivor be Killed in every Trial.

    Mori'ing is not the default way of killing, it's an exception that alters the normal balance of the game, even in marginal situations as the last survivor. And as an exception, if one wants the option, they need to sacrfice something else i.e. the ability to burn an offering for something else. Cypress is even of yellow rarity and pops up frequently in bloodwebs. It's fine as it is and it should remain an offering.

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