Working with a member of the other side shouldn't be bannable for the killer.
Hear me out. When a killer is working together with a survivor to kill other survivors, it shouldn't be bannable for the killer, only for the survivor, period.
The killer is just taking advantage of a "not clever" survivor to win the game.
So for example, if that survivor unhooks everyone in front of the killer without BT and the killer decides to focus the unhooked survivors and let the trolling survivor go (because the killer knows he will continue sandbagging other survivors), it should only be bannable for the survivor.
Change my mind.
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Just pure bias, the killer should just kill the "helping" survivor and play the match as usual, there's no changing your mind, you're just wrong.
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Yes, that would be the ethical decision.
Still the killer's objective is to kill the survivors, and if the killer is taking advantage of a trolling survivor to accomplish that, what's the matter.
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The matter is that you want ez wins and don't think you should be punished for breaking the rules, clear as day.
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But as killer, I don't know what a survivor's intentions are. I don't know if that person is farming or trolling or just stupid. And I try to be a positive person, so I never want to assume someone is breaking the rules. So in this case, giving someone the benefit of the doubt means assuming they're stupid.
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That's like pulling off a heist with a cop and then getting busted and saying "it was okay, because he's a police officer".
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Well no because if you're doing this I'm SWF why ban that person? If I'm in a 4 man group having fun, my friends know if it's Myers or GhostFace we're memeing.
Why should I be penalized for having fun and everyone is in on it? It's stupid.
Now if I'm solo and I do this yeah I see but not always. That's like banning someone for booping the snoot.
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Lmao
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That would almost be worth doing
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I think both killer and survivor should have a ban. I hate when I'm doing well and some trash survivor running bond runs up with the killer while I'm on my 3rd gen. Then I spectate out of anger the whole team is knocked off and she gets the hatch, ranking the survivor and killer up to the rank they shouldn't be.
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The original post and so many of these responses are just terrible...
"Meming" = bullying a killer or making his experience less fun? Your being an ######### because the opposing player chose a particular killer. Just play the game. Use good sportsmanship, and while you don't need to actively care about making the other persons MORE fun, you shouldn't be doing things to actively try to make their game LESS fun.
Giving someone the benefit of the doubt? In any one of those situations - farming, trolling or stupid - the correct response if the ENTIRE group of players hasn't agreed to it, is you kill them. That's your job.
Did you get banned for this? Because I have a feeling you've been doing this quite a bit to actually get banned for it. I rarely see survivors legit trying to farm or work with me as the killer, or maybe its just that I end up killing those fools right away since they're playing stupid.
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No, I haven't been banned for doing that and I've never done that.
I saw a streamer talking about this topic and I just wanted to share my opinion on the forums, to see what people think.
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Look at all these salty survivor mains mad about Killers taking advantage of ######### teammates in a TEAM-BASED game lmao.
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In YOUR opinion. I literally have streams PROVING the killer had fun. If We all change our names to something with Myers and they play Myers we are going to have hope the killer is playing along. If they turn out to be friendly we meme but we still get gens done so the game doesn't last forever. That is why I have a ######### ton of DBD buddies who are Myers and GhostFace mains now that are helping me improve at the game. Not everyone is anal like you and feel the only way to have fun is to 4K iridescent hatchet slug.
Would you rather our 4 man survive with friends gen rush instead? I'm sure that's SOOO much fun and killer always love that. That's why we brun 4X BPS to gen rush the killer and play the game the way it's meant to be played. Nah man rather than having fun and getting a game that's a breath of fresh air just gen run the killers and making coordinated plays all the time. No slug racing, no hook rescue spam, no playing hide and seek with iron maiden, no playing peekaboo with the killer. Nope. Just purple toolbox new part gen rushing. Gotta live up to that 4 man SWF hype.
Actually be quiet. People like you who can't have fun once in a while are the reason this community is always at each others throats. Don't speak on behalf of others. You don't have fun like that, that doesn't mean others don't.
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Its not "taking advantage" its called teaming which is aganist the rules. If the survivor farms then thats taking advantage and thats fine but when you team up with the survivor to sandbag or reveal his teammates thats teaming
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Woah son, calm down, and ease off those triggered fingers. There's a lot unpack here...
1.) It is my opinion. Thanks, Dude. I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone. I sure hope you don't need everyone to start their posts with "This is just my opinion..." in order for you to assume they're somehow speaking for someone else... that's... weird.
2.) If you're all changing your names (something we cant do on PS4 - its more difficult to imply intentions in the lobby), and you can know that the killer and other surivors are into it, sure fine. If you're a 4 man swf, you have 4/5s of the equation already figured out. The original post is about getting banned for working with the killer. . The actual bannable offense is working with the killer to the detriment of your fellow survivors. Agreed upon farming, playing around, practice, etc., isn't bannable, since no one is going to report it. What your describing is NOT working with the killer. If all 5 players are into it, go do what ever you want, but the second you get the impression that this isn't the experience they want then it should stop.
3.) You're selectively reading the part where I call you an ######### (which was my impression given the information you gave), because if you had finished the rest of the statement, you'd have read "Use good sportsmanship, and while you don't need to actively care about making the other persons MORE fun, you shouldn't be doing things to actively try to make their game LESS fun." Is your swf actively making their game less fun? If you know you're not and they're into it, fine, play on. But unless you know (and its easier to do that on PC than console) that the killer wants to play this way and the rest of the survivors who may not be in SWF, then you are still changing their expected/desired experience in the game, and thats not fair, and can be qualified as toxic behavior. What you're describing isn't being an ######### (sorry) if you know everyone is into it, but you didn't describe that in your original post.
4.) You're pointing out all the issues with SWF in one post, which isn't even on topic, so I'm just going to leave that.
As I said in point 3, the crux of the issue is working with the killer to the detriment of your fellow survivors. That is the offense that can be banned, and to answer the OPs question, YES, the killer should be banned as well if it was a deliberate and an established pattern.
There is lots of grey here - A survivor pointing at locker with another survivor in it and the killer picking the locker rather than chasing the other guy - thats an ######### teammate but I wouldn't fault the killer for taking advantage of it, i'd take the easy kill there. If the killer then continues to hunt the trader, game on. If the killer then follows that trader around and he leads him to the other survivors too, thats a ban for both.
A killer or survivor messaging each other prior to the game, going on coms with him, and then telling each other locations of survivors, perks used, etc... That is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT bannable.
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No they should both be banned but I doubt that ever happens.
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Not really, since the Killer is supposed to (and is encouraged to) kill. Heists are generally frowned upon in the mortal world.
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As a long time killer main, it is dishonorable to work with a survivor to kill the others. You want to farm, fine farm with everyone.
But don't act like the killers must kill, and then turn around and team up with one or two survivors. And I will tell you, often times the survivor you are choosing to team up with, are the ones that farm each other, run around doing no gennys and provide very little help in a team game.
Sorry but I have no respect for killers that team up with survivors to kill the others.
I would rather have a tunnel me off the first hook to mori me with noed killer, then one that dishonors us killers that work hard to perfect our craft.
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It should be bannable, because it very easily ruins the fun for the other 3 survivors.
Also, killing the traitor is always fun 😈
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It is irresistible not to farm 2 hooks of every survivor and I wouldnt punish a killer for hustling for some bp, but, if killer use bodyblocks to win a game, thats not ok. I say - ban them both. If killer use it only to kill 3 victims, then report them both and move on.
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Had a SWF team where I was the only solo. I needed to do the headon rift thing...stun a killer using Headon. I go into a locker and this Dwight (they all had V at the end of their names so knew they were all SWFs) comes up to the locker I am in and starts opening and closing the door. I try to leave and he body blocks me. I finally get hooked and he then comes up to the hook and does the whole "I am unhooking you...now I'm not...I'm unhooking you.." He finally unhooks me as I get to the second stage. I get downed again eventually and I am dead. I get the killer to report him as I did...in fact I reported the entire SWF team. 100% sure nothing was done.
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I mean, they were terrible teammates and I'd report them. I don't quite understand what the killer did here.
To be honest even this crap wouldn't bother me so much if queue times weren't so long. It's like one game in 50 this really happens to me, but they tend to stand out because it's just such a bad experience.
But getting games like that and then needing to wait forever for the next is terrible.
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All these “change my mind” threads. 😂
It is and should be bannable, period.
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Maybe if the survivor is a Claudette.
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This has happened to me like 2-3 times in my 1700 hours in this game, so I don't think I want "ez wins", as if this happened to me every third game or so. When I made this post, I knew it was going to be an unpopular opinion, but I just wanted to see if more people agreed with me anyway.
Although yours is not an opinion that I share, it is one that I respect. For me, it's still not "breaking the rules".
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It should absolutely be ban able. You're teaming with a survivor to ruin the experience of the other 3 survivors. It doesn't matter if the objective is to kill everyone you're still teaming and that is ban able.
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Not mad about taking advantage of the weakest link. That is fine. But working with some crap survivor that doesn't have the skill to give the killer a challenge and hence tries to sell out their teammates in order to, I guess, get more points and survive?
In any other team game , you would be drop this guy. NO one wants to play a team game with a traitor. And as a killer I would just put that dude on a hook and tunnel them out of the game. I have no respect for working with the other side, nor selling out your teammates.
You want to play for the other side, you had that right before you readied up.
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It's called cheating.
It's called cheating. And yes cheaters are frowned upon. While not typically illegal it can be if done for money. In which case it would be a form of fraud.
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To expand what SenzuDuck said, a killer who is working with a survivor is actually playing the match in a way not intended by the devs. You are not "taking advantage of a not clever survivor" but working with that survivor to exploit/skip game mechanics.
If a bank teller just handed me a wad of cash and said "ok now run" I wouldn't then tell the cops I shouldn't get in trouble because the teller gave me the money. I'm fully aware of the consequences and implication of the action I just took.
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Too many people are trying to make up scenarios and change what OP said to make it okay. But it's just simply wrong and it def should be bannable on both sides.
If the killer watches someone get farmed, hooks them again, stands there and WATCHES the person get farmed for a second time without attacking the farmer and kills that person on hook, that's teaming up and is bannable.
We're not talking about a one time farm. We're talking about intentional sandbagging, killer not hitting or even chasing a certain person kid of teaming up.
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I was saying the analogy to a heist doesn't really work. If you're doing a heist, you're breaking the law from the start. While you are still taking advantage of someone who shouldn't be helping you but is, the thing you're being helped with is already illegal. A killer, meanwhile, is supposed to kill. So comparing killing in the Entity's realm to an activity that's already illegal isn't a great comparison.
Edit: Also, the last bit doesn't make sense either. In @ThisGuuy83 's scenario, the thief says no one should be punished because the accomplice was a cop. According to OP's argument, the survivor (cop) should be punished, but not the killer.
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In this case the killer didn't do anything to be banned in my opinion. He was just playing a normal game, got three jerks and I paid the price. I asked the killer to report the Dwight and he did. Also asked him to report the other two as well as they were obviously from conversations all equally guilty. Not sure if he reported the other two or not--I did, but doubt anyone did anything.
But if the killer was actively working with the survivor then he should be banned. Say the survivor was running some aura reading perk and he would have the killer follow him around to locate and kill every survivor and after the three got killed he then let the survivor escape...find the hatch, do gens and open the gates, whatever. In this case both should be banned.
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Agreed the match isn't much harder 1v3 anyways. I would sooner deny a sabotager's points than give them the satisfaction of ruining the game even more for everyone else.
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If you actively decide to leave the "not clever" Survivor alive so they can work with you, you should be punished.
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No, the killer is a player. The player is breaking the rules of the game. If I have a survivor trying to help me, they die.
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I sorta find that hard to believe. Especially depending on rank. There's a huge difference between being stupid,and leading someone to each of your teammates one by one. You might not be able to tell right away,but it should be obvious after a bit.
I just had a match where they were farming. I didn't realize because the killer chased normal at first. Then two of the survivors tried to get me to go toward the killer. Making gestures. When I didnt play along,they blocked me during the last chase and I got hooked. They did the same to the other guy that was playing normally. Then they went around doing every objective on the map and got dropped off at the exit gate.
That's supposed to be fun? How is that not both the killer and survivors fault? I had no way to "opt in" or anything. Regardless of who started it,they all went along. Killer could've easily dropped them too. Joke would've been on them if he did I guess. You can't really say who initiated it without seeing,but the killer is the one that HAS to go along with it. You know what I mean?
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@MisterCremaster @otaku4life I think he just doesn't know what memeing means.
@Groxiverde your example isn't even bannable because it is not playing with the other side. Playing with the other side is stuff like pointing at lockers when another survivor is inside or body blocking so the other survivor is stuck and gets hit, or from killer side for example to juggle the second last survivor until he shows the killer where he saw the last survivors aura. And THAT is bannable for both sides! No discussion. Or the scenario that @RakimSockem described.
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It depends on the situation, really. I've done it before but it was solely to find a Survivor who was hiding and doing nothing the whole match trying to survive just to get the Hatch escape.
I'm totally down with working together in that case cause one thing I can't stand is people who play team games but don't wanna contribute to the team.
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You have to get reported for working with the killer to be eligible for a ban, I doubt your premade friends will report you and you could just clarify it to the killer in postchat so he doesnt report you either.
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then why even respond to my post in the first place? You literally just said everything I said in a more drawn out post. Bro you trippin trippin.
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This is not bannable anyway
Killer definitely doesnt get banned, survivior can get banned if they lead the killer to the other surviviors, if you are just farming alone, then its ok.
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As a killer I would be very hesitant to team with a survivor because the survivor has the ability to report you and would be the ultimate troll that gets him the most views on YouTube, "look I caught a no good teaming killer"
As killer if the survivor is doing dumb shut to throw the match then the survivor dies and I go AFK until a gen is complete. Simple as that.
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It's not bannable, unless you arranged for it before the game. If a survivor wants to betray their team to give themselves a better chance of getting out, that's a fully valid gameplay tactic, and the devs have been super clear on this.
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Nea agrees with this.
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Don't get me wrong, the little rat is going to suffer the same fate. It'll make the victory even sweeter imagining their smug grin getting wiped off when i drop their butt on a hook
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”salty survivor mains” lol
sorry people just wanna have fun in a videogame
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Well, I think in your example of a survivor sandbagging, it's not technically bannable as it's not "working with a member of the other side". Now, if a survivor points to lockers and or lead the killer on purpose and the killer agrees then yes. I had a match were the survivor was friend with two of the survivor. Those two blocked us to get us killed on purpose and they did 32 K of blood points, except the killer, that's it. I was so angry!
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I don't really expect anyone to actually get banned for this unless there's some really malicious intent queing at the same time as your friend to be one of their survivors so you can help your friend).
If a survivor is just being stupid, I'll take advantage of it for the most part. If they're OBVIOUSLY trying to ######### over the team, I'll slug them and leave them on the ground unless they get close to the bleedout timer. Not like they're going to be doing gens.
Edit: queing, not wiring. Stupid autocorrect.
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K so how do you determine as a survivor beforehand who the killer coincidently exploited vs who they before the game made a deal with? We just always assume the killer is innocent?
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