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Devs forcing the idea of "We want our players to have fun in this game".

walrusthemighty
walrusthemighty Member Posts: 28
edited August 2018 in General Discussions

In the last Q&A session from the devs, they kept on forcing the idea of "we want our players to have fun, that is why we do this and that". From here, my questions are: "How "fun" do they think is it to play against a good nurse?", "How "fun" is it to play against a good nurse with more than 2 blinks?", "How "fun" is it to play against a huntress with one shot hatchets?". Explain the "fun" part to me, please, I might be missing something. They keep on talking about how they do not want killers to be too strong, while having this piece of junk aka Nurse in the game. Explain to me your logic, or else, I will not buy these pointless words of "We want you to have fun". I would rather have a rework on Nurse rather than on Wraith or Freddy. Not even a single word has been dropped out of their mouth about the Nurse changes. Do they actually think that everything is fine and "we better work on Freddy next". How many posts did they read about "Nurse is broken" compared to "Please buff Freddy"? I do not want to assume anything in here, but the answer, for me, is pretty obvious.

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  • MojoTheFabulous
    MojoTheFabulous Member Posts: 2,015

    Probably because the Nurse takes more skill to become annoying than Freddy does.

  • athrophex
    athrophex Member Posts: 4
    I normally have fun playing killers but it is annoying to have a hex ruin be found right into the match or start the first chase off and havr 2 gens already done with a runner who can look for days. I am still practicing on killers right now. I am unlocking perks on cannibal but I do enjoy Freddy. I hear you on the nurse because I suck against her and I am worst playing her. I think a nurse Who can blink and hit has talent but thats just me lol
  • redsopine1
    redsopine1 Member Posts: 1,437
    I've played against the nurse she is fun I had to think and everything still died but took a while as for the huntress do people forgot unlike survivors that win killers lose ad ons so of course if your good with the huntress and high rank you use them with a extra 2 hatchets against the highs for its fun and takes skill to beat them so please stop trying to make it unwinnable for killers
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  • walrusthemighty
    walrusthemighty Member Posts: 28
    edited September 2018

    @Someone
    My definition of "fun" in DBD is not to play against a good nurse who does not give a single f about pallets, windows and any other construction, such as jungle gym. Who can instantly gain the distance you've gained in the matter of two seconds. Take billy, for example, yes, he can gain the distance as well, but it takes time to charge his chainsaw and it takes more time for him to reach you. I have spent over a thousand of hours in this game (it might not be a lot for 2k+ hours players, but I think its enough to claim that I do know the game mechanics). It does not matter how much you know the game and all of its aspects. You simply can not counter a good Nurse, period. If you disagree with my statement, you might be the one playing on low ranks, not me.

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  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223

    Pink hatchets are fun. They might be devastating to low ranks, but at high ranks people can dodge hatchets too well and they aren't really that good. Babushka/Braid is much better combo at high ranks.

    They also kinda of distinguished between the competitive aspects of the game (eg. Nurse) and the "fun" aspects of the game when they made those statements. They weren't saying that it should ALWAYS be fun or ALWAYS be competitive. It's a mix.

  • shadowsfall42
    shadowsfall42 Member Posts: 201
    When I come across them (Nurse is rare on console) the Nurse is easily my favourite killer to face. If they're good, it's terrifying and I actually feel what survivors should. Fear. Not as much as a good Nurse but not far behind is a good Hag. She's downright scary when played well.

    Personally fun is balanced, strong killers are fun to play and fun to play against. I'm still working on my Nurse, but my Billy/Hag are devastating. 
  • yeet
    yeet Member Posts: 1,832

    how "fun" is it to play against most of everything survivors have?
    answer: it isn't

  • CallMeRusty420
    CallMeRusty420 Member Posts: 615

    @walrusthemighty said:
    @Someone said:

    Depends what you mean by fun in this game. Because it won't be the same for everyone.
    For me it's fun when I play against good killers, when I mostly have to rely on mind games and when I feel pressure.
    For someone else it's fun if they can mess with killer or/and survivors.
    And some people find it fun only if they're winning.
    If you don't enjoy playing against a good killers then you can just stay in lower ranks.

    Besides buffs and nerfs won't help that much. You can have insta hachets with all the best perks and lose or you can play as Freddy without perks and add-ons and get 4k. It all depends mostly on how well you know game mechanics and characters abilities not on buffs, nerfs, perks or add-ons. Generally speaking it depends on your intelligence.

    I enjoy playing against good killers myself. My point is that, for some reason, devs are passing by the Nurse, who is definitely way above any other killer in the game. Of course, she does take more skill to play her good. But tell me that, do you think there is a difference between a good nurse or a good billy/huntress? Are these match ups equally same for survivors? I do not think so. Nurse, by her core design, is omitting the whole game (pallets, windows, distance gain).

    By the way, @CallMeRusty420, "gitting gud" against a good nurse is not an option.

    Why isn't it an option?

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @yeet said:
    how "fun" is it to play against most of everything survivors have?
    answer: it isn't

    How fun is it to play against a no skill camper, it isn't the same as it isn't against a 4 blink Nurse etc etc.

  • yeet
    yeet Member Posts: 1,832

    @powerbats said:

    @yeet said:
    how "fun" is it to play against most of everything survivors have?
    answer: it isn't

    How fun is it to play against a no skill camper, it isn't the same as it isn't against a 4 blink Nurse etc etc.

    just using an example than not everything that can be conceived as "unfun" has to be removed from the game, because as it stands survivors are capable of a lot more "unfun" things for both sides

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @yeet said:

    @powerbats said:

    @yeet said:
    how "fun" is it to play against most of everything survivors have?
    answer: it isn't

    How fun is it to play against a no skill camper, it isn't the same as it isn't against a 4 blink Nurse etc etc.

    just using an example than not everything that can be conceived as "unfun" has to be removed from the game, because as it stands survivors are capable of a lot more "unfun" things for both sides

    True and fun is really in the eye of the behold, one persons fun is another persons unfun/toxic game. I think they're making steps in the right direction. But if they make massive changes the same way other games have done you run into the same issues.

    You also have to remember the restraints on what's doable and how fast given the current code limits. For those that like me have had Rust since day 1 early access Alpha the code limitations are familiar. The changes they've tried and had issues with are also familiar along with trying to please those that want faster changes.

  • sulaiman
    sulaiman Member Posts: 3,219

    Are there any statistics on what percentage of players do actually play on this high ranks?
    I would be intrested to know how many player are actually affectd by that imbalance in high ranks.

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    The problem with this idea is that if fun Killers aren't also powerful, because the balance is in the Survivors' favor, the Killers are the ones who get ######### on.

  • Larcz
    Larcz Member Posts: 531
    Dont get this crap.Why ppl say this is not couner for nurse? All what you need to do is lose her from see you and change direction when you see she load ability or relase hand.Also why every one write about ranks and only 2/3 killers menage to deal above 5 rank? All survs got that same perks almost always that same or familiar bulid with perks from meta.And sudently when you go close red rank only killers to play is nurse or billy?! I ask what change on this point? Survs got some op perks now we need hook hem 5 times to die ther is two much palets or windows #########?!
  • LRGamer
    LRGamer Member Posts: 160
    edited September 2018
    walrusthemighty said:

    In the last Q&A session from the devs, they kept on forcing the idea of "we want our players to have fun, that is why we do this and that". From here, my questions are: "How "fun" do they think is it to play against a good nurse?", "How "fun" is it to play against a good nurse with more than 2 blinks?", "How "fun" is it to play against a huntress with one shot hatchets?". Explain the "fun" part to me, please, I might be missing something. They keep on talking about how they do not want killers to be too strong, while having this piece of junk aka Nurse in the game. Explain to me your logic, or else, I will not buy these pointless words of "We want you to have fun". I would rather have a rework on Nurse rather than on Wraith or Freddy. Not even a single word has been dropped out of their mouth about the Nurse changes. Do they actually think that everything is fine and "we better work on Freddy next". How many posts did they read about "Nurse is broken" compared to "Please buff Freddy"? I do not want to assume anything in here, but the answer, for me, is pretty obvious.

    Is it Fun to play against Bloody Claudette’s with D-Strike or Object of Obsession And with Purple Flashlight s
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  • MegaWaffle
    MegaWaffle Member Posts: 4,172

    @walrusthemighty said:
    In the last Q&A session from the devs, they kept on forcing the idea of "we want our players to have fun, that is why we do this and that". From here, my questions are: "How "fun" do they think is it to play against a good nurse?", "How "fun" is it to play against a good nurse with more than 2 blinks?", "How "fun" is it to play against a huntress with one shot hatchets?". Explain the "fun" part to me, please, I might be missing something. They keep on talking about how they do not want killers to be too strong, while having this piece of junk aka Nurse in the game. Explain to me your logic, or else, I will not buy these pointless words of "We want you to have fun". I would rather have a rework on Nurse rather than on Wraith or Freddy. Not even a single word has been dropped out of their mouth about the Nurse changes. Do they actually think that everything is fine and "we better work on Freddy next". How many posts did they read about "Nurse is broken" compared to "Please buff Freddy"? I do not want to assume anything in here, but the answer, for me, is pretty obvious.

    I won't comment on your views of what you find fun/not fun in this game as everyone is different. But try to view the game from the killers view too. It isn't always fun to fight SWF groups or teams rushing gens with toolboxes. Remember not everyone has fun the same way and not everyone plays Nurse, the Ultra rare add-ons are not seen in every game. Yes you may see them a lot if you play a ton of games but people tend to focus on things they find negative. For example if you play 20 games and see 3 Nurse players you may find yourself more focused on how many Nurses you played/possible lost too and forget that only 3 of those games had her. I too do this on occasion especially with how many survivors I see DC from a lobby, but if I take a moment to realize I've only truly see a handful of DCing players in a few hours of gameplay its not as bad as I originally viewed it to be.

    Again i am by no means arguing against what you find not fun in this game and I cannot claim to know what your experience with this game is, I'm simply adding in my own points.

  • Greater_Cultist
    Greater_Cultist Member Posts: 81

    @walrusthemighty said:
    In the last Q&A session from the devs, they kept on forcing the idea of "we want our players to have fun, that is why we do this and that". From here, my questions are: "How "fun" do they think is it to play against a good nurse?", "How "fun" is it to play against a good nurse with more than 2 blinks?", "How "fun" is it to play against a huntress with one shot hatchets?". Explain the "fun" part to me, please, I might be missing something. They keep on talking about how they do not want killers to be too strong, while having this piece of junk aka Nurse in the game. Explain to me your logic, or else, I will not buy these pointless words of "We want you to have fun". I would rather have a rework on Nurse rather than on Wraith or Freddy. Not even a single word has been dropped out of their mouth about the Nurse changes. Do they actually think that everything is fine and "we better work on Freddy next". How many posts did they read about "Nurse is broken" compared to "Please buff Freddy"? I do not want to assume anything in here, but the answer, for me, is pretty obvious.

    Right, but where's the fun in playing Clown/LF/Hillbilly/Freddy/Wraith/etc. if you get looped for 5 full gens?

    I wanna have fun too if I'm playing against a good team, and since UE+IW+DH+Q&Q exists, why don't you equip those perks and stealth the nurse's instead of constantly complaining that they're too "op"

  • Grimzy
    Grimzy Member Posts: 219

    @walrusthemighty said:
    In the last Q&A session from the devs, they kept on forcing the idea of "we want our players to have fun, that is why we do this and that". From here, my questions are: "How "fun" do they think is it to play against a good nurse?", "How "fun" is it to play against a good nurse with more than 2 blinks?", "How "fun" is it to play against a huntress with one shot hatchets?". Explain the "fun" part to me, please, I might be missing something. They keep on talking about how they do not want killers to be too strong, while having this piece of junk aka Nurse in the game. Explain to me your logic, or else, I will not buy these pointless words of "We want you to have fun". I would rather have a rework on Nurse rather than on Wraith or Freddy. Not even a single word has been dropped out of their mouth about the Nurse changes. Do they actually think that everything is fine and "we better work on Freddy next". How many posts did they read about "Nurse is broken" compared to "Please buff Freddy"? I do not want to assume anything in here, but the answer, for me, is pretty obvious.

    Because the whole fun in it is reading you rage about a killer that even when played good you can outsmart and still escape.
    Also, i dont think i need to mention to you that "escaping" each match doesnt necessairly mean you wont it.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @walrusthemighty said:
    @Someone said:

    Depends what you mean by fun in this game. Because it won't be the same for everyone.
    For me it's fun when I play against good killers, when I mostly have to rely on mind games and when I feel pressure.
    For someone else it's fun if they can mess with killer or/and survivors.
    And some people find it fun only if they're winning.
    If you don't enjoy playing against a good killers then you can just stay in lower ranks.

    Besides buffs and nerfs won't help that much. You can have insta hachets with all the best perks and lose or you can play as Freddy without perks and add-ons and get 4k. It all depends mostly on how well you know game mechanics and characters abilities not on buffs, nerfs, perks or add-ons. Generally speaking it depends on your intelligence.

    I enjoy playing against good killers myself. My point is that, for some reason, devs are passing by the Nurse, who is definitely way above any other killer in the game. Of course, she does take more skill to play her good. But tell me that, do you think there is a difference between a good nurse or a good billy/huntress? Are these match ups equally same for survivors? I do not think so. Nurse, by her core design, is omitting the whole game (pallets, windows, distance gain).

    By the way, @CallMeRusty420, "gitting gud" against a good nurse is not an option.

    It is, in the official tournaments nurse was the only killer that managed a 2 kill average.
    The devs consider a 2 kill average balanced and thus the nurse is the only balanced killers in a competitive setting

  • redsopine1
    redsopine1 Member Posts: 1,437
    Larcz said:
    Dont get this crap.Why ppl say this is not couner for nurse? All what you need to do is lose her from see you and change direction when you see she load ability or relase hand.Also why every one write about ranks and only 2/3 killers menage to deal above 5 rank? All survs got that same perks almost always that same or familiar bulid with perks from meta.And sudently when you go close red rank only killers to play is nurse or billy?! I ask what change on this point? Survs got some op perks now we need hook hem 5 times to die ther is two much palets or windows #########?!
    Ikr theres sooo much complaint for nerfs I mean seriously people only use like 2 killers for 1-5 ranks is because the nurse and billy are the only 2 that can deal sfw loopers a hard time honestly I'm still gonna take my huntress on them for one fact * oh you keep jumping left and right I know whoosh ahh my back * I mean people complain to much we need more long range moves not just CQC moves I mean that plays to the survivors right there
  • Zarathos
    Zarathos Member Posts: 1,911
    Iridescent hatchets huntress is the most overated garbage I ever hear survivours complain about. If your bad at looping a huntress or dodging hatchets then their terrifying but a huntress has to sacrifice badly needed wind up and cooldown time add ons which are badly needed if you dont want to get looped to #########. Id rather use a shadow ward on ny flower babushkas and infantry belts then run a meme add on like iridescent heads.

    When your going through loops you wont realise how hard it is to catch survivours at windows with huntress hatchets when the wind up is so long. I'm fine with her add ons currently but the only thing that makes iridescent heads strong is survivours who dc the minute there hit. Seriously these hatchets strongest power is intimidating survivours into dcing.

    As for nurse it is possible to juke her but you need to run stealth perks premonition, spine chill, urban evasion and iron will.  Ds and adrenaline is uselesss against a nurse anti nurse perks include perks like premonition, dead hard, urban evasion and iron will. These perks will carry you much further. Self care is still good but make sure you know the nurse has left the area your healing. In chase when caught hug debris to fk the nurses blink. Always try to break her ability to see you by ducking behind walls building etc and do not run to pallets a nurse will always know your  running to a pallet and will know well how to hit you there. Using these tactics a nurse at your rank will massively struggle in the higher ranks its all about buying as much time as you can.
  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095
    Go out there and ask for killer buffs.
    If you don't like to see nurse every match, then you definitely should support the buffs of all the other killers. 

    Also, fun is subjective. You might not have fun playing against a nurse. But that nurse might have a blast. Because it's the first time he/she doesn't get bullied by survivors.
  • Someone
    Someone Member Posts: 11

    @walrusthemighty said:
    @Someone
    My definition of "fun" in DBD is not to play against a good nurse who does not give a single f about pallets, windows and any other construction, such as jungle gym. Who can instantly gain the distance you've gained in the matter of two seconds. Take billy, for example, yes, he can gain the distance as well, but it takes time to charge his chainsaw and it takes more time for him to reach you. I have spent over a thousand of hours in this game (it might not be a lot for 2k+ hours players, but I think its enough to claim that I do know the game mechanics). It does not matter how much you know the game and all of its aspects. You simply can not counter a good Nurse, period. If you disagree with my statement, you might be the one playing on low ranks, not me.

    All killers have weak points, including Nurse. You just have to know how Nurse works and observe killer's way of thinking. There're few strategies. One of the best options here is to make Nurse think you're going one way but go another and when you have an opportunity try to hide or you can avoid her hits and confuse her using her fatigue for your advantage. If you indeed have 2k+ hours you should already know that and successfully perform it yet seeing your complaint it seems that you're either lying about it or you have serious problems with learning. Nurse can get to you quickly but her blinking has a price. Also you can use pallets against her, you just have to look for the opportunity to use it at the right time. Windows and jungle gyms are also good for mind games and hiding against any killer.
    It does matter how much you know the game mechanics. If you don't know how you can fast vault or if you don't know how can you make killer hit an obstacle instead of you then don't expect a success when playing against more experienced killers. Believe it or not but this game is partially a strategic game, you need to learn its mechanics and use your knowledge for your advantage. You have to use a right strategy if you want to win. If you're just running anywhere without thinking then the only thing that awaits you is a failure.
    Believe me I played against a good nurse yesterday in rank 1. It was possible to counter. It wasn't always easy but certainly it was possible.

  • DocFabron
    DocFabron Member Posts: 2,410
    edited September 2018
    How fun do you think it is for killers to be ran around in circles non-stop? How fun is it to have one of your favorite movie icons (Freddy) get nerfed into oblivion a week after release? 

    You don't like being facecamped, do killers shouldn't do it? Ok, if they shouldn't facecamp, then YOU shouldn't loop. 

    Don't like being tunnelled, so killers shouldn't do it? Ok, if they shouldn't tunnel, YOU shouldn't Tbag.

    Don't like getting rekt by NOED? Maybe stop popping 3 gens 2 minutes into the match. Find the totems and cleanse them.

    Don't like Ruin? Again, stop genrushing.

    Killer's don't enjoy being greeted by genrush, 4x DS, and looping.


  • Spiritbx
    Spiritbx Member Posts: 264
    Larcz said:
    Dont get this crap.Why ppl say this is not couner for nurse? All what you need to do is lose her from see you and change direction when you see she load ability or relase hand.Also why every one write about ranks and only 2/3 killers menage to deal above 5 rank? All survs got that same perks almost always that same or familiar bulid with perks from meta.And sudently when you go close red rank only killers to play is nurse or billy?! I ask what change on this point? Survs got some op perks now we need hook hem 5 times to die ther is two much palets or windows #########?!
    Wait, what perks did the survivors get that gives them 5 hooks?
  • redsopine1
    redsopine1 Member Posts: 1,437
    Spiritbx said:
    Larcz said:
    Dont get this crap.Why ppl say this is not couner for nurse? All what you need to do is lose her from see you and change direction when you see she load ability or relase hand.Also why every one write about ranks and only 2/3 killers menage to deal above 5 rank? All survs got that same perks almost always that same or familiar bulid with perks from meta.And sudently when you go close red rank only killers to play is nurse or billy?! I ask what change on this point? Survs got some op perks now we need hook hem 5 times to die ther is two much palets or windows #########?!
    Wait, what perks did the survivors get that gives them 5 hooks?
    Slippery meat gives a extra at low perk so high perk more chances
  • redsopine1
    redsopine1 Member Posts: 1,437
    Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:
    How fun do you think it is for killers to be ran around in circles non-stop? How fun is it to have one of your favorite movie icons (Freddy) get nerfed into oblivion a week after release? 

    You don't like being facecamped, do killers shouldn't do it? Ok, if they shouldn't facecamp, then YOU shouldn't loop. 

    Don't like being tunnelled, so killers shouldn't do it? Ok, if they shouldn't tunnel, YOU shouldn't Tbag.

    Don't like getting rekt by NOED? Maybe stop popping 3 gens 2 minutes into the match. Find the totems and cleanse them.

    Don't like Ruin? Again, stop genrushing.

    Killer's don't enjoy being greeted by genrush, 4x DS, and looping.


    Thankyou somone who points out the hypocrisy in the game why do you think killers get powers to counter this stuff yet people complain all the time about killers needing a nurf when tbh survivors need a nurf more and again loopers are predicable just ignore then and hit another or break the chase off and go around the loop zone
  • michaelmyers87
    michaelmyers87 Member Posts: 458
    Making a fun game is achieved by making a game where people can get good. Not spoon feeding people. Sometimes tweaks are necessary. But making fun can become making cheesy and too easy. 
  • michaelmyers87
    michaelmyers87 Member Posts: 458
    Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:
    How fun do you think it is for killers to be ran around in circles non-stop? How fun is it to have one of your favorite movie icons (Freddy) get nerfed into oblivion a week after release? 

    You don't like being facecamped, do killers shouldn't do it? Ok, if they shouldn't facecamp, then YOU shouldn't loop. 

    Don't like being tunnelled, so killers shouldn't do it? Ok, if they shouldn't tunnel, YOU shouldn't Tbag.

    Don't like getting rekt by NOED? Maybe stop popping 3 gens 2 minutes into the match. Find the totems and cleanse them.

    Don't like Ruin? Again, stop genrushing.

    Killer's don't enjoy being greeted by genrush, 4x DS, and looping.


    How was Freddy nerfed anyways. I can’t remember. 
  • walrusthemighty
    walrusthemighty Member Posts: 28

    @Someone
    Based on your opinion and the amount of knowledge it shows, I can hardly take you seriously. If you do not believe that a Nurse in the hands of a good player can end the game in the matter of seconds, then you indeed haven't spent enough time playing the game or never met good Nurses before. Everything you said about pallets and "brake the chase and hide" tactic are the main triggers for me to think about you in the way I do.

  • Someone
    Someone Member Posts: 11

    @walrusthemighty said:
    @Someone
    Based on your opinion and the amount of knowledge it shows, I can hardly take you seriously. If you do not believe that a Nurse in the hands of a good player can end the game in the matter of seconds, then you indeed haven't spent enough time playing the game or never met good Nurses before. Everything you said about pallets and "brake the chase and hide" tactic are the main triggers for me to think about you in the way I do.

    I don't consider myself as know-it-all but I'm sure I know quite a lot about this game. Not only from my experiences but from experiences of others. I don't know how much time I spent playing this game (and watching others play) but it's not a low amount and considering that I can survive against a good Nurse (which seems you cannot) makes me even more sure about my knowledge. Breaking a chase is possible, you just need to think. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's impossible.
    I haven't stated that good Nurse can't end game in matter of seconds. I just stated that it's possible to survive. Don't imply I said something I haven't. Besides any good killer can end game in matter of sceonds. Actually any killer can do that if survivors are very bad or unexperienced.
    Also you said before that you don't need knowledge to be good in this game and now you're implying that I don't have it as if you wanted to say that it is indeed needed. Can you even decide what's your opinion? Or are you just going to change your statements everytime someone proves you're wrong?
    Think of me any way you want, it doesn't matter. I was only giving you a small tip to help a little but if you prefer to stay ignorant and keep losing against Nurses then sure...have fun.

  • mcNuggets
    mcNuggets Member Posts: 767

    @walrusthemighty said:
    In the last Q&A session from the devs, they kept on forcing the idea of "we want our players to have fun, that is why we do this and that". From here, my questions are: "How "fun" do they think is it to play against a good nurse?", "How "fun" is it to play against a good nurse with more than 2 blinks?", "How "fun" is it to play against a huntress with one shot hatchets?". Explain the "fun" part to me, please, I might be missing something. They keep on talking about how they do not want killers to be too strong, while having this piece of junk aka Nurse in the game. Explain to me your logic, or else, I will not buy these pointless words of "We want you to have fun". I would rather have a rework on Nurse rather than on Wraith or Freddy. Not even a single word has been dropped out of their mouth about the Nurse changes. Do they actually think that everything is fine and "we better work on Freddy next". How many posts did they read about "Nurse is broken" compared to "Please buff Freddy"? I do not want to assume anything in here, but the answer, for me, is pretty obvious.

    Explain me how it is fun to get dominated as killer with not being able to do anything.
    This is worse than loosing against a skillfull nurse.

  • Killigma
    Killigma Member Posts: 372

    @walrusthemighty said:
    I would rather have a rework on Nurse rather than on Wraith or Freddy.

    ...Of course you would

  • BrunoReisLopes
    BrunoReisLopes Member Posts: 10
    Ikr?! Pallet looping isn't very fun! In fact, it's no fun at all
    I see you're only talking about killers, but I have more fun playing against a good killer than playing against survivors with Decisive Strike, who pallet loops while 2 generators have been done in a space of 1 minute.