Why are a lot of killers here hypocrites?

'So many killers complain about getting gen rushed in 5 minutes but then slug everyone then hook' You haven't figured out that, for killers to apply pressure, they need to slug?

'Complain about survivors hiding, looping and gen rushing then tunnel, camp and slug.' I don't think any honest killer complains about 'hiding' and 'looping.' Maybe looping comes from map imbalance. Yet when survivors claim 'tunneling' and 'camping,' they use broad strokes when applying those terms. I've been called a tunneler when the dude that was just rescued runs into me. I've been called a camper when survivors will loop around a hook. Slugging is viable, as it applies map pressure.

'Using op add on then complaing about insta heals.' What do you consider an 'op' addon? Iri head? Insta heals were nerfed because they were broken. Like the old DS, the insta heals could negate an entire chase, among other things.

When a killer goes out of his way to slug everybody at once? Yes, I agree, that's toxic. You shouldn't mix that type of player with the general killer playerbase. Just like we killers don't, or at least shouldn't, add the SWF hit squads in with the general survivor playerbase.

I've been bm'ed because I successfully mindgamed an infinite. It happens both sides. Just ignore it and move on. Not belittling your experience, just that it's not uncommon. It's a competitive game by nature, and you have players that project their inadequacies on the other side.

I don't think any one add on is op. A combination can make them, though. Iri head, for instance, it one shot, but Huntress only has one hatchet. She misses, she's down to M1 slapping. It's only when it's added to the Infantry Belt that it is a bigger threat than it should be. Devs should look at that, not nerf the individual addons.

There are hypocrites in this game, I agree with. I've found myself sometimes falling into that after a few frustrating games. Just need to roll with the punches, and sift through what is accurate, or viable, and what isn't.

I've noticed a great amount of killers sayin they slug, camp and tunnel ever since ruin was nerfed (that was the excuse for all that) ruin could easily be found and cleansed within a few minutes 🤷🏻‍♂ i don't get salty if i die, can't win them all, but if i die unfairly by all of the above then that's a different story.

I played with ma friend the other day, he escaped through the hatch with a key and then the killer messaged him callin him a baby survivor for bringin a key, the toxicity is just gettin worse.. It's like oh wait as the last remainin surviour I will let u down and hook me 🤷🏻‍♂

I sometimes play killer, i tend to chase after the healthy survivor that went for the save bcs i find it unfair to ruin someone's gameplay tunnelin to oblivion. I've never played toxic as killer yet i would still get tbagged by the last suvivour at the exit gate like #########.. then they message Gg ez.. It's a horrible experience as killer or survivor

If you're seeking a perspective, there are those who never intentionally slug, camp, or tunnel, but rather it just ends up happening.

If I down a survivor, but then immediately see a survivor nearby who I know I could get a free hit on, I'll likely go for that survivor to capitalize on a mistake rather than just hook the freshly downed survivor. Also, having that survivor down still applies pressure. I've now got one down, one in a chase, and likely at least one more going for the downed survivor.

If I hook a survivor, and they are in the center of a perfect three gen, with the other remaining generators on the other side of the map, then leaving that survivor for too long would only hurt me. So that leads to proxy camping.

As for tunneling, there are times when I see a survivor is unhooked, so I go in that direction. When I see one set of scratch marks, I follow them. Sometimes it's the survivor that was just unhooked and in a quick glance I don't see the unhooker, so I just go with the flow and chase the closest survivor I see instead of searching for someone who evaded me, which can easily be seen as tunneling.

Of course, there are face campers, those who tunnel on purpose, and those who take pride in having 4 little blood slugs. Those scenarios often are very toxic, but there are times when the killer does it out of necessity rather than just to ruin fun.

You're missing the point of why Ruin was helpful for a lot of killers.

Even if Ruin only lasted the first minute, that was a minute where survivors weren't on generators and were looking for totems. That was probably enough time for the killer to find and down at least one person and start building momentum. Hex: Ruin was rarely something killers expected to last the whole game, or even the first five minutes, it was strictly a perk for early game slowdown to start building momentum and then it was gone.

This is why Ruin has mainly been replaced by Corrupt Intervention, as they both have the same purpose, early game slowdown. Corrupt forces survivors closer to the killer, same way Ruin did when it forced survivors to go look for totems.

So yes, many killers have employed slugging tactics more often as while a survivor is down at least one other survivor needs to come pick them up, occupying 50% of the team on something other than generators.

The part I"m always confused about, is why survivors complain about slugging when unless the killer is running a dedicated slugger build (Knock Out, Third Seal, Deerstalker) it's really not that hard to pick up a downed survivor? Unbreakable counters slugging hard.

So frankly while I sympathize that slugging may not be fun to play against, if you lose to a slugger who isn't running a slugging build it's cause you intentionally chose not to get off the generator and pick up your people, and thus you played right into the killers strategy. Part of being good at survivor is knowing what the killer is trying to do and countering it, sometimes that may mean less gen rush and more picking up and healing.

This ain't it chief.

In a post-unbreakable game, survivors have no excuse for losing to a 4-man slug strategy. You have a perk meant to mitigate or negate this kind of pressure, and it has disgusting synergy with decisive strike (60 second invulnerability in lockers), a perk likely used in more than 70% of all games. Most of the survivor-sided maps in the game are still heavily survivor-sided, even if they've seen some minor tweaks here and there. So let's summarize:

• Most maps that were broken years ago are now just 'overpowered', some having legitimate 'lose points' where if the chase goes there, you either abandon it or lose the game. A 'safe space' in a horror game, if you will.
• Most of the new perks that are coming out for both sides are either extremely niche, require other perks to be usable, or are just complete garbage.
• The killers that are being released for the state the game is in, on average, are totally underpowered against more coordinated groups. If it wasn't for new/terrible players in DBD, it would die overnight, as no killer would take a single win off of any survivor team.
• Camping and tunneling are still two highly effective strategies due to the speed at which generators are completed, and, while not enjoyed by survivors, is almost essential to some degree if a win is desired on the killer's end (especially with ruin being rendered useless, for the most part).
• Killer variety at red ranks, based on my own experience and those of the few players I watch play this game, is still at an all time low. Same 3 - 4 killers with an oddball thrown in on the rare occasion.

What we all need to understand at this point in DBD's cycle is this: the developers do not wish to create a balanced game where the skill of either side determines the victor, they want to nurture a live service business model filled with cosmetic microtransactions. Survivors outnumber killers by a vast degree, and thus, from a business perspective, it makes the most sense to cater to them, as their buy power outstrips that of the killer by a staggering margin. BVHR has proven time and time again that they do not know how to balance or program, and while I'm not a professional in either category, I've played enough games in my life to have an idea of what a reasonable standard is for both. The only thing keeping DBD relevant at the moment is a lack of strong competition, as other games in its genre have long since died out.

Any other game wouldn't give one side half a dozen second chance perks that can be abused.

@Rivyn

Actually there are many great perks on Last Year, and even Friday the 13th. Also, you can actually fight back in those games AND have obstacle advantages.

Oh, and the most important part. You can fight back with weapons.

You do realize that without killer the game will be ruined? So they cant really cater to 4 survivor players.

I play solo survivor and killer, probably about a 60/40 in favor of survivor. I can tell you right now, the main enemy I face every game isn't the killer, but my teammates who are allergic to generators. If I do poorly in a game or don't pull my weight, I realize it immediately and try to rectify it in future games to the best of my ability. Before ruin was removed, I almost never used it, and my results in games haven't changed too much, with a 4k every so often, some 2ks, and the odd blowout where most of the survivors get away, sometimes save 1. Bear in mind that I've stopped taking this game too seriously, and while I might not be making the most optimal of MLG plays at all times, that still won't stop me from calling out the BS that has been in this game since the beginning.

I don't mean this as an insult, but what was I expecting from someone whose name is survivorsareruined? I agree that there are frustrating aspects to this game for both sides, and yet in spite of it all, when it comes to the most influential role in the game when played at its best, survivor wins this by a long shot. A combination of second chance perks and map design along with the ability to stack the deck by playing with friends on discord (which is totally understandable - game is far more tolerable with friends) tip the scales of this game in the survivor's favor. If you cannot see that, then the question here is not whether or not I play survivor, but whether you play killer at all.

Dying wouldn’t be as big of an issue as long as I’ve always felt like I had a solid chance at playing the game. A lot of the time people that play killer are only concerned about killing all 4. This isn’t the type of game to go around being all sneaky without the killer ever finding you. So why is there a mechanic that allows killers to cut your game short when they do? Plus dealing with latency issues on survivor side? No thanks... This games not fun a lot of the time and seems more like a chore. I’m not gonna lie it’s hard to please both sides. But I’m telling you I don’t like coming into games and consistently being someone’s b***ch every game because the game screws me.

Latency, Killer being host, Killers having literally every ability known to man and still complaining about minute workarounds people have abused such as OP loop spots and certain perks that prevent tunneling when, people forget each survivor is a real person that wants to enjoy the game too more than they’re getting frustrated with it. The stats literally read that killers have slight advantages in every single way, yet people still suck at using them to the best of their abilities because they chase too hard, or whatever the case may be. It’s about the objectives when I play killer, that doesn’t mean I’m gonna now everyone down As soon as I see them lmao it’s about managing these OBJs man... these damn gens.. keeping them off/regression. I do fine as killer. But as far as the killing goes, it can be too swift due to lag and add ons and that pisses me off Especially If they start to mess with gen speed . I’m a solo survivor. It’s almost not worth playing. Why the complaints from killers at all when both ends of the spectrum are complaint worthy.

Your name is toxicnancymain...

Also after downing a survivor, killers do NOT have to pick them right ahead. Killer has a lot of things to deal with.

i mean to be fair, the only way a killer can 4 man slug is if the entire survivor team makes a LOT of mistakes... you all have to be grouped up, nobody can have unbreakable, the killer most likely needs an insta down/exposed perk (like haunted grounds) and if not that everyone needs to be injured, and then all of you have to go down extremely fast.

and with tunneling, yeah it sucks, but i mean its their decision. just let go on second hook and move onto the next match.

Something that happens when I play killer is that unintentional tunneling can happen. Whenever I hook someone I leave and find someone else to chase. Sometimes I genuinely may end up finding the same couple survivors and have 2 hooks on them and no hooks on the others. It's not intentional, but I do end up getting hate mail sometimes. If I recognize this happening I will purposefully avoid certain survivors that I may have but tunneling, but most of the time it comes back to bite me in the hiney. In situations like this I'm weighing which is more important: my "honor" or my rank. While I do get hate mail for playing normally I have only ever once gotten a message thanking me for sparing them which I will admit felt kinda nice.

I guess the point of this is that players need to remember that it is just a game. Looking outside of themselves and towards the other players perspective could be a good change. Assuming that the other players are a**holes just for being on the opposite side isn't really a healthy way to live.

(If this were real life I wouldn't pull any punches regardless of what side I'm on.)

OR for a little perspective, have you realized that survivors genrush BECAUSE killers camp, slug, and tunnel and if you don't have enough gens done to counter that, you're going to lose every time?

It's a "which came first, the chicken or the egg argument?" and that can go in circles.

Lol ridiculous