I was just 4 man SWF'd.
I am on the verge of uninstalling.
It's going to end up killing this game. The gen times are bad enough, but there are only so many coordinated BT, DS, and Sabo plays you can endure before this game just becomes am exercise in self loathing as a killer.
Oh. And I was called a camper and a tunneler for trying to guarantee a kill during EGC.
Not including the "ez", "git gud", and "noob" comments.
I'm one bad game away from taking another killer away from survivor queues.
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What rank are you??? And sometimes the problem is man that you can sometimes just run into a group that just runs all those perks and they aren't a 4 man swf
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Then bye. Youre obviously not suited for this game if you do not understand why survivors use these perks and think every game is a coordinated 4man swf.
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Yeah i think you re 100% right. Here s me desperately trying to encounter 4 man swf no luck. I forgot last time i faced 4 man swf.
Just like you people say on this forum "low quality bait" .
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Rank 10 against 2 3s and 2 13s.
I only play on the weekends because I have life during the week. And even then, I don't always have time to play on the weekends.
And when I said, "I hate SWF" in chat, the response was, "So what?" And "too bad". And "cry more".
This happens, and it's driving killers away.
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Figures. Dont even know that they were 4 man swf but cries out loud 4 man swf.
Killers are trying to look like victims again.
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Its the matchmaking fault and not due to 4 man swf.
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Already explained that they practically admitted it in post chat while flaming. Keep up.
I know survivor mains are dense enough to need crutches in game, but I didn't realize y'all needed hand holding on the forums, too
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The problem here, is it is much easier for brown rank survivors to rank up and out of their ranks. Also some of them are in SWF with lower ranks. And their current match making uses the highest rank player to match against.
So the red, purple, and green killers have much quicker queue times. however brown ranks probably wait between 5-10 minutes if not longer. The game is literally just expanding its search until it finds someone.
Is this fair, no, not at all... That is why they are trying to do their new MMR system.
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I'm absolutely trash at killer and love when I see power plays with those perks. I honestly just get better... If those are your worries we can all only imagine that you tunnel, slug and camp like a trash killer. So personally you'll be doing us a favor. Killers who can take a beating are still not giving up on the game and understand how both sides work. Killers will be back eventually. See ya.
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As I rank up I'm increasingly seeing how toxic survivors can be on both sides, I play survivor and killer and I really don't see why everyone is so toxic, just stop being a douche and t-bagging killers who are doing their best
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Those words hardly describe that they were 4 man swf and even swf at all😂
And those are just your words.
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In this game there are 3 levels of difficulty for Killer Players:
- Solo survivor team
- Solo + Partial SWF team
- Full 4 man SWF team
The first level of difficulty (normal) is more often the easiest to deal with since none of the survivors are on VOIP programs like Discord, but that doesn't mean that its always a guaranteed win against them as player skill and non-verbal coordination often makes them fluctuate between being complete potatoes or bulldozers. I always heavily respect a solo team who can best me regardless of rank.
The second level of difficulty (hard) varies immensely depending on if its 2 solo + 2 SWF, 2 SWF + 2 SWF, or 1 solo + 3 SWF. Coordination is more difficult when 1 or more members of the team aren't able to use VOIP to communicate with 2-3 other members, and so while the difficulty for the killer becomes harder, you can usually suss out the weak links in the communication and take advantage of them. Again however, alot of this is still based on the individual players skills at the game.
The final level of difficulty is what most FPS games would call Nightmare difficulty. Not only are the survivors all on the same VOIP channel, but before the match even starts they make it clear to each other what perk builds, items, and tactics they'll be using during the match, and because of the VOIP communication, they can constantly update each other in real time their situation, and coordinate on the fly to beat or bully the killer. While this level of difficulty is quintessentially the most frustrating aspect of playing the Killer role, it's Not Unbeatable, and survivors who play this way are usually used to winning, and so don't develop enough actual skill in the game since they have their buddies backing them. This is again subjected to their individual skill at the game, but they often relax in their "sweatiness" because of the overconfidence a 4 man VOIP team gives them.
Against a 4 man SWF, all gloves are off! Don't hold back, be sure to Punish them heavily for their overconfidence, play as sweaty as you need to, and don't be afraid to use any dirty tactics in your arsenal. They aren't going to hold back, so you shouldn't either. Fortunately for you their behavior in the match will reveal if they are SWF or not, and you can use that against them. If they ######### about it in the after game chat, you can just laugh it off knowing you didn't let them have their way like they're used to.
Overall DbD is a multiplayer game, and it gets incredibly more competitive the higher the skill your opponent(s) is, and whether or not they can actively communicate with each other. If you take on the Killer role, and can't deal with this level of competitiveness, then you should probably take a break, and decide for yourself whether or not its worth getting to the point in skill where you can effectively deal with your opponents regardless of their advantages.
Edit: grammar, and corrections in context
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This isn't helping stop toxicity. If you want to vent or complain about toxic Survivors - rightfully so! - then go ahead. But insulting the entire Survivor category of player will only breed contempt and encourage people to talk trash on each other in this game.
As far as crutches go... Hello BBQ, NOED, etc... Both sides use Skills/Perks, and both sides have some pretty powerful ones. For every Killer complaining about DS there is a Survivor complaining about NOED - that's the very nature of a game that isn't 100% based on player talent. Everyone will point fingers at the in-game Skills/Perks rather than their own ability.
Now that is not to say that you aren't good at the game, or that everyone who loses is bad, etc etc. I personally just made a post a few minutes ago about this very same issue, playing Killer lvl 17 and going against red rank Survivors.
The matchmaking needs some work. And as a whole, Killers AND Survivors need to be kinder to one another and remember that we are all just trying to play a game we love.
As a Survivor main who has literally never sent a troll message... I'm sorry you got some of the bad ones. Hang in there, we aren't all jerks. :)
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Well it clearly is not 4 man swf as you would know if it was cause you was there. If its not 4 man swf its not up to discussion here.
Im not saying its a requirement. Its almost like you putting words into my mouth.
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Imagine calling bbq a crutch 🤣🤣
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this game was never balanced around SWFs of 4 man groups, so when they appear, they basically break the game.
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I would just tell them they have no right of speaking running the meta second chance perks.
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Mother's Dwelling - awesome map for "walking" killers (joke). LeatherKekW, rank reset, three man SWF. Solo surv escaped, almost +2 pip. After game this rank one survivor with 4.5k hours was pretty toxic tho. Game is not balanced around rank and SWF, at all.
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Because the title says 4 man swf. Whenever killers are trying to make something look op it always start with "but 4 man swf" and here op is clearly exaggerating about so called team of 4 man swf which occurs almost like once a year
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I had moments when the killer accused me of being in SWF. When some killer's games doesn't go well for them, they always boil down to 'I got outplayed by SWF' when thats not always the case. Players that are soloq and are overly alturisting and look over their teammates exist as well.
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Can't wait until NOED is nerfed so you bad, whiny killers lose your crutch perk!
::equips BT, DH, DS, Adrenawin and hops on comms with 3 other red rank players::
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This has been happening for 4 years, and the game is significantly easier for killers than it was 4 years ago and killers are still here, idk how many hours you've had but if this is your first game getting "4-man swfd" do you not think you're overreacting?
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True. But like I said, they didn't deny it in end game chat. In fact, they practically confirmed it. And they kept picking one another up (running from across the map to do so) as soon as I was in another chase. They knew precisely where every other survivor was at all times without any aura reading perks. It was all second chance perks and two toolboxes that they used to sabo multiple hooks upon pickup (not including the Breakout Bill).
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Not my first time, SenzuDuck. You seem to take issue with me every time I have something to say in the forums. You're always white knighting for Survivor mains and setting your sights on Killer mains. This was not the first. It was the worst. I was playing as Pig, so it was going to be a suboptimal game to begin with, but stealth became an impossibility. The only time that crouching was a viable option was mindgaming palettes.
It was a shitshow, and I'm tired of giving these devs my money. They only listen to money, and with survivors as 80% of their player base, they'll never listen to killers. How long has Nurse been bugged? How long have Killer sounds been bugged? What about Wraith and flashlight interaction? Or permanent flashlight effects on killers?
But the moment that survivors start to encounter survivor-specific bugs or players can't make transactions, the devs are all over it.
SWF is toxic to the community without proper balancing, but they're never going to balance it because they don't care about anyone except the dedicated survivor base who feeds them with more and more cash.
I had one of the worst, most toxic, abusive matches of my life, and it's the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Again you havent even proved that you faced 4 man swf.
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People always complain about matchmaking when they're not paired with potatoes though.
Anyone who equips a loadout for dealing with sweats are going to crush any casual player. It's a self defeating system.
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So you're saying the game isn't balanced even though you (rank 9 killer) won against red rank SWF using Leatherface with suboptimal perks and suboptimal addons? What's balance in your book then?
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I explained myself already. What they were doing, what they said, how coordinated they were from across the map.
You don't have to believe me just because you're a survivor main who's never been hit by this bullshit.
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Won against SWF because:
M I N D G A M E S
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Im not survivor main and i crush swfs regularly but never seen any 4 man swf lately.
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i have no idea who you are, I just replied to a post, sorry that you're having a hard time as killer, if you put more hours into it you'll do better.
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So you lost a game, got mad so you can to the forums...and what?
You think because you had a bad game that BHVR will suddenly remove the ability to play with friends? Not only is that the worst thing they could do, it shows your lack of understanding of the other role
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Just block comms thats the only unfair part
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I guess you just did expect something different from the Game. This is a Survivor based Game. m1 Simulator. Killers are not worth to mention, Nobody, Developers included do care about you, youre opinion, or your expirience as Killer. I mean, The Gameplay Decisions made just can be opined from a totally drunken, or maybe a High Main-Civilisation-VIII Player that didnt even installed dbd to test it at least once the past 4 years.
Just play another Game, and remember, BHVR is not the way to go, they soon will figure out, they cant live from "new players" only, because veterans more and more are about to leave, and a lot of people are complaining about the Game. :)
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I see all the survivor mains who lie on the forums and strongly defend how over powered survivors are finally woke up, and are waiting in between matches to flashlight spam, and teabagg killers before telling the killer to kill themself in the end game screen.
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or maybe the team was just better than you, its as simple as that
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Bt and ds are not indicators of a 4 man swf, they are common perks used in almost every match.
Object of obsession and head on are probably the two most used perks in 4 man swf, especially OoO. While head on will tell you depending on how coordinated its use is. If you chasing a survivor and the survivor runs by some lockers and suddenly two survivors jump out and stun you and this happens multiple times during the match, you know for a fact its a 4 man swf on comms.
4 man swfs on comms should be obvious, no question. If it's not then it probably isn't a 4 man swf.
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Another perk you might see in a 4 man swf is no mither but only if all 4 have it. If you jump into a game and you seen4 no mithers you know you are going to deal with a 4 man sabo squad that cant be slugged.
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My goodness. Imagine misunderstanding my message so blatantly and ignoring every positive, supportive thing I said in this just to... Do what, exactly? Low brow bait a 'git gud' comment? This was hardly a productive post.
But since five people liked it let me explain something super elementary about my post for everyone. I was addressing how BOTH sides of this game complain about the other side's perks, calling them overpowered. "For every Killer complaining about DS there is a Survivor complaining about NOED - that's the very nature of a game that isn't 100% based on player talent. Everyone will point fingers at the in-game Skills/Perks rather than their own ability."
Have you been on the forums long? I ask because if you check Survivor threads BBQ is one of the more complained about perks. If you are as new as it seems, welcome! Be prepared to see the most run perks on both sides being complained about by Survivors and Killers alike! Nobody here quite enjoys any of the opposite side's perks. :)
"The matchmaking needs some work. And as a whole, Killers AND Survivors need to be kinder to one another and remember that we are all just trying to play a game we love." <- The key part of my post.
Happy gaming. <3
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removing SWF will kill this game
lmao
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I 100% wouldn't blame you dude. Toxic survivor groups are the worst, they often don't even do the objective as fast as they could; because they KNOW they can bully you and still all escape, so they do. Chain stun, tea bag at every chance, insult the hell out of you post game- all while having like THOUSANDS more hours experience in the game.
This is one of the most insufferable game communities I've ever seen, so trust me when I say I get it.
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