Please try to argue how this is fair
3/5 of their objective completed in 85 seconds.
I know the devs said expect a couple of gens to pop, so this player has promptly tried to prepare for the mid to late game with his perk setup. But if he gets no time to build it up during the mid game because generators are done to fast then his entire perk build is invalidated.
This is what people like myself mean when we want our early game back. We don't want to be forced to play perfectly 100% of the time just so we can hope to get 2 kills.
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First of all, not every Generator is 20% of the Survivor Objective. The first one or two are less %, because they are far more easy to be done. The last one will be the most difficult Generator, not that many ressources are left on the Map and maybe not even 4 Survivors are left.
Second, you dont see that much in this Clip. I see a Huntress making a bad throw and 3 Gens pop, while one person is on the Hook. This is expected if the Survivors dont spawn together and the Killer is only pressuring one Survivor until this point. But NOW comes the part where the Killer has more pressure - one person is on the Hook, one person is in Chase and one person is going for the rescue. So only one Survivor on a Gen. Not bad.
Third, where is the result? A clip which lasts a few seconds is not helpful at all, why should someone try to argue something when there is nothing to counter? I mean, from what it looks like, the team just ######### up, because they did all the Gens on one side of Suffocation Pit...
But of course someone will come and say that Killers should totally win with 5 Gens to go...
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Just pressure the gens 6Head.
If i really think about it, i would go back to any time period in this game, i would rather go back in 2016 with infinites and 20 seconds sprint burst, atleast back then people actually played the game.
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How it happened? Simple:
- SWF communication
How it can be prevented? Very simple:
- Corrupt Intervention (Plague perk)
- NOT playing the Huntress
- playing Billy or anyone else with good map pressure
- Hex: Ruin is still good, as a Survivor main I can never find it and it's always annoying
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Did he ever say that? Nice strawman.
People like you who make braindead arguments like "oh, the killer has so much pressure even though 3 gens popped."
If it's a swf, one person goes for save, and 2 are on gens.
Why do we, instead of acknowledging the problems with gen speed, defend bad game design?
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I’ve had this done a few times posted a few videos lol people will defend it saying “pressure gens” how can you pressure gens when your chasing someone and the others are on gens?
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3/5 = 60%
1/5 = 20%
Basic math for you my dude.
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Well, what about this?
If the timestamp dont work, start at 1hr and 54 minutes, it will take 3.35 minutes to get 4 gens... i'm the survivor, is that enough context?
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There is the possibility of matches not being in the Killer's favour due to RNG. How often does this situation occur?
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Corrupt is pretty good, but Ruin is completely useless if the survs stay on gens. It's not good on Huntress because she's 110. Pop or Corrupt are better.
Don't play killer X is the wrong answer. Huntress is strong, but the fact that people are resigned to saying "if you want to win, you can't play X" is an indication of bad balance.
Not that it's a surprise, because the devs have said clown is "underrated" and "fine", which is laughably stupid. The times when they make good balance changes feels like an accident.
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Again, what was mr. killer main doing in the 85 seconds before those gens popped? Patrolling the gens? Chasing someone? Just playing dumb? The clip isnt showing much.
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Clown may be bad (to us) but some people who can play really well, such as Otzdarva, he still gets 4k's with him.
Sure, Huntress is strong. I'll agree, because I went up against a lot of Huntresses the past few days and all of them 4k'd, by either slugging and whatnot.
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It buffles me to see some people here arguing that this ######### is normal, ######### this, the game shouldn't require you to run specific perks in order to stop crap like this. No. This is a major issue. While obviously it does not occur that often, it still happens, the game MUSN'T allow this to happen.
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Nobody says that bloody thing that killers should win with 5 gens, stop saying ######### like that. We are aware that winning with 5 gens should only happen when we are either lucky as ######### or when we are matched with dorks. No, we don't want that.
It's stuff like this that's not normal, or when they do a gen in 27 seconds cough cough.
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Nope, 1 person is on Gens. 1 in chase, 1 going for the Save. You even see that one person is in a chase. And we dont even see the end result, the game could have ended with no more Gens being done.
As long as not every Gen is done until the end, the Killer will be fine.
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They did a gen in 27 seconds and they all still died, against the so called worst killer in the game.
Why do generators going by "fast" affect you so much? Its not like the game is lost just because a single generator got done.
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3.35 minutes to have one gen left, than we started ######### around, start at 1hr and 54 minutes
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The only reason that they died was because Otz is a good player and because they really messed up at the end, but I assure you, if it was to be a less experienced person in chases, the match would have been at max 1 kill, probs done by hard camping, thing that is not allowed, stated by the 2nd rule in the Rule Book
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Why is this persons point or opinion braindead? I mean your only argument at all is the assumption that it MAY or COULD be a SWF team meaning 2 people on gens while 1 saves. I am not saying you are wrong or right but you both have points. =)
To be honest I have learned that not all games are like this ONE video here. I mean I would like to see the entire video. Yes 3 gens were popped and oddly yeah kind of fast but it does not mean the match was lost. I have seen games like this go south fast when I am playing killer because the survivors corner themselves into a horrible spot. I mean this was a pure luck that each survivor not only started in opposite spots but they all knew to do gens. In most my games the survivors are duh and just hide. You are right though IF it is a SWF it could spell disaster for the poor killer. I suggest maybe making gen times to repair 2 minutes each instead of I think 80 seconds currently.
I will say depending one what killer I go against sometimes the gen speed can seem to fast or slow. I have had matches where the killer can move so fast that the gen times are not fast enough or moments where the killer is slow and the gens go to fast. I am a nice person though and will actually let the killer kill me for points because I want to be fair.
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If they are doing a gen in 27 seconds that is either because there is more than one survivor or maybe a toolbox or a glitch. I checked times and even with 2 survivors without toolbox's it should take 44-45 seconds. I mean if a gen is taking 27 seconds maybe look into that. I mean popping 3 gens is normal if the killer does not apply pressure or the team is maybe using comms and split up. I mean it happens but it is not very common or at least it is super rare for me to ever see when I am playing killer or even survivor actually. Sorry this happened to this player.
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If that is the case then there is also killer stuff that happens that should not be allowed. I mean sadly this game is what it will be. It will never be balanced and I am kind of okay with that because no game with PvP ever is. People always yell in favor of one side over the other. If one side wins to much the other side scream its unbalanced until the other side is unhappy. I play the game because every match is different and if I have a few bad games I take a break or just move on and laugh about it. I am sorry you and many others hate or have such a bad experience with this game. I honestly hope someday this game becomes balanced in whatever way the MANY fans demand. =)
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Because commenters like Aven on the forums don't want the game to be rebalanced back into the Killer's favor. The game would be more stressful and less fun for survivors to play. It's really obvious and common sense that the game is broken right now, but the dev's don't see that as long as people like Aven exist.
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So if you've seen this....you realise it's a prime example of what people mean when they say generators go to fast right? In the minute twenty five before the clip this killer was doing its job. Chasing people. He had a slowdown perk like most people say to run if you don't want gens to pop like mad...but what's the point in running it if in the time it takes to get 1 hook and starting 1 chase 3 gens pop? Even if he'd ran corrupt intervention it wouldn't have stopped gens from going to fast, because only 3 are blocked. And you can't chase and pressure gens at the same time, because you have to follow the survivor they could lead you away from the remaining gens which means your forced to let them go...making them essentially invulnerable.
And yet....there's people saying that this is completely fine. They say thing like "oh bet you got a 4k" or "show us the first min and 25".
Firstly. I heavily doubt he got anything more than 1 kill. Because while he's chasing that nea it gives the other two time to pump out those last 2 gens. They can leave that person on the hook and it'd be advantageous to them.
Secondly we know exactly what happened in The 1st min and 25 . The player found a survivor, got looped for a while. And then got a hook, your standard average killer gameplay...
And yet people are trying to straw man this into "this player wants to 4k every single match".
Because they can't argue that this is fair
This is why survivor ques are so long and why everyone plays either Freddy or a mobility killer : because most killers don't have the resources to deal with this nor an early game to prevent it .
I remember hearing otz saying that only the old nurse could come back from having all 4 survivors heal with adrenaline at the end of the game. I doubt even in her prime she could've dealt with this....then again this might've never happened under her because her chase times were so low.
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Where s the issue ? 😂
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Where is the full game?
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A generator takes 1 minute and 20 seconds to be repaired. If you let 3 survivors repair 3 gens undirstubed it's natural this happens.
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How about giving proper evidence to your conspiracys, and not something like the mentioned vid, which is overly useless to measure how the game is balanced.
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Again, where is the full game? How do we even know from this 8 second clip, if the 1:25 prior is even accurate? Everyone knows how killer clocks can be exaggerated around here. I love how you are just saying the killer was doing his job, when we have no idea what happened before. Maybe he had an awful chase?You are making a bunch of assumptions to make this “evidence”, that’s just silly. Do you even know evidence means? Clue...it doesn’t involve you speculating everything about the game except for 8 seconds. “We all know what happened”...lol come on.This is a content creator who records matches, show the whole game. Simple. If not, there’s reason they are choosing not to.
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Seeing as though we can't even see the whole game, ehh.
Everyone was at a different generator, it wouldn't have taken that long to find at least one person before that so-called 'minute'
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Ugh, that does hurt to see, but i am going to have to agree with the other comments in this.
I do understand the point, showing how gens are popping like crazy, but it is an 8 second clip. If it showed the supposed other 1.5 minutes of space patrolling around and foing a chase, and this still happened, then I would 100% agree. The problem is we don't know the first 1:25 of the game. He could have been afk for the first minute, he could have done a chase, or literally solved an equation to win a Nobel prize. There is a 99.9% chance he wasn't solving an equation, but we don't know.
I do believe that it is true, he did do his job. Bit without the evidence of the first minute and 25 seconds, this cannot count as evidence.
@SpaceCoconut can you please, if you have it, show us the minute and 25 seconds beforehand. They do need to see it.
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I want to see the entire game, including post screen so can see ranks and items. For all we know, another gen never even got repaired. If something is going to be promoted as evidence of something wrong, it definitely requires the entire story so people can judge knowing everything. As it stands, it’s beyond useless.
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This clip could be from a 20 minute game, so add the full game
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Either none of you have watched @SpaceCoconut before or you are all a bunch of untrusting internet denizens. He doesn't just post that stuff without good reason. While his views are not everyone's, he doesn't just use "an 8 second clip" to skew a point in his favor. (Also, I am not being a fanboy, I would defend anyone in the situation because a lot of you are awful to each other on here constantly and it's maddening.)
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I'm surprised so many people care about what happened in the beginning when it can be inferred from the clip... whatever, I'll upload the match later after work just for you.
Forewarning though, I gave up in anger and frustration after this point and simply tunneled the hooked individual and the remaining survivors pulled off a grand rescue to the 2nd survivor I planned on camping.
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The reason people say that is because context is important. Yes, we can infer from the clip that he spend the first minute and 25 seconds chasing that Nea, but we don't know how well he was chasing her or whether it was even advisable to do so. If the killer didn't do their job well and the survivors naturally took advantage of that to do theirs, that's not a compelling case for generator speeds being a problem.
I'm not saying that he's a bad killer or that he necessarily did play badly. What I'm saying is we can't tell that either way just from that short clip, and that's why people find it unconvincing.
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There is no reason to not show the full game - except that you want to hide something. Like... A win afterwards? With no more Gens being done? Meaning that those 3 Gens did nothing? What a surprise!
After the hook the Killer had really good pressure. One person was being chased, one was on the Hook, another one needs to go for the Rescue (if they are not SWF, maybe both will go). This is not too bad.
Let alone that this team ######### up by doing all the Gens on one side of Suffocation Pit.
Without the full game, this clip means exactly nothing. Of course it should only feed a narrative without giving some valuable information.
EDIT: Just saw who the OP is... How many threads with that Clip do you want to open? This is at least the second one...
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Yea, the first thread was enough.
The entire point of the clip wasn't the result of the match, but the impact in morale that losing those 3 gens had on the player (me). No matter what happened during the course of that match I had lost any will to play at all especially since I was playing one of my weaker killers for a daily.
I was either going to stand by the switch and let them finish the gens, leave the match, or play it through. I decided to play it through, but in that loss of morale with anger and frustration at the helplessness of the situation I decided to tunnel the first survivor I had hooked which of course meant the remaining 3 survivors escaped.
The match after the 3 gens completing is irrelevant because any player who is tired of this situation might lose the will to play after several similar matches. Once a player loses the will to play a match normally the match doesn't matter. As an example, if we had the opposite situation where the survivors decided to give up if the first survivor let themselves go on the hook and the killer got a 4k, was that because the survivors or killers were good or bad or did they simply not want to play through the match and couldn't quit?
This is what many people are ascribing to the match I played and will undoubtedly come down to my skill instead of my desire to play.
Either way, it'll be up later tonight and we'll see what everyone decides to say.
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Talking about balance is sort of pointless when your referring to an asymmetrical 1v4 game.
What I see from that clip is that for whatever reason killer had a bad first chase.
Looks like suffocation pit. Maybe killer incorrectly chased a good survivor at the main building.
As huntress they shouldn't have had that much of a problem but I don't know them. Maybe they're a bad huntress. They were robbed by the locker. FIX HUNTRESS HATCHES!
Due to that they couldn't create enough map pressure. So survivors were split on 3 gens like smart survivors and managed to pull off 3 Gen pops. That's not Gen rushing. That's just a clear example of what happens if you can't put any map pressure on survivors.
It's easy to hold m1.
Creating map pressure has to be your first priority as killer if you want to win. Not just chase, hook, repeat.
You can blame game design all you want but killer has only been getting easier.
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love people argumenting "oh but the killer got a 4k so its balanced".
like, the outcome of a match and the gen times are two very different things!
they can genrush you in less than 5 minutes and still all die because they basementrushed Bubba, does that make the whole situation balanced? no.
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Because the match isn't over until it's actually over.
How many times have y'all 4Kd with 1/2/3 gens left? lots of times, which means the gens that popped before it didn't matter in the slightest, they're insignificant, it's so boring having killers keep giving up because a couple of gens pop it's so silly, I would totally expect a baby killer to give up when this happens, but this whole scenario is entirely beatable, patrol the three gens that are on the opposite side and you're golden.
only baby killers think a match is over when 2/3 gens pop, fact.
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Oh this clip again... lmao
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lmao the absolute state of this dude, camping because you cant stand 3 gens being done too early and then wondering why your games are so crappy.
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Personal insults. I wouldn't expect anything less from this type of person.
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Like I said before, the outcome is irrelevant.
The feeling of losing 3 gens (which is 60% of the survivor's objective) without being able to do anything about it is the issue.
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It seems the killers will or enjoyment is just not important. I understand your point and have had those situations. Best thing to do is wait by an exit gate, wait for them to do gens and open it up. By then if they wanna waste my time or be cocky I just hunt them down until games over so I can start a hopefully better one. How I see it is no matter what emotions killer players feel it doesn't matter.
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a guy was on a hook
what's he supposed to do? clone himself so he can pressure the other 3 simultaneously ?
good grief
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why even have 7 gens at this point? just put 3 gens in one corner of the map at the start of the match since that is the gameplay you expect the killer to deal with.
"ignore the first 4 gens that go off in 3 mins, just 3 gen it"
who the ######### cares at that point? you now have the amount of time left to do 1-2 more chases. how exciting and interactive. let me just break 10 pallets on this 3rd chase i've been granted with
trash
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That raises a point though. When Killers get a 3 gen it can be easily taken away if a surv finds a key. Your basically telling killers it doesn't matter since they can still 4k. The killer can't guard the 3 gens, watch the hatch or even get a surv depending on how the match and map turned out.
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Irrelevant? Many killers win after early gens lost. You said Huntress for you is weak. Why would you be surprised people want to see what led up to it? Come on. The rest of the game matters to see how the rest of the gens went, as well as needing to know what the survivors brought. All perfectly reasonable expectations. Do you give up with Hag in this same scenario? Honest question. I have a strong feeling everything you are saying has to do with using a killer you aren’t any good at. That ain’t a gen speed problem.
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is the match over then? Because last time I checked it isn't.
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ok lmao a key yea, keys should be nerfed, what's your point? With 4 people alive and 2 gens left no one is using a key, this match was still entirely winnable
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