Stop the pretense
Rank is useless for matchmaking. Just delete it and switch to first come first serve. It can't be any worse than what it is now. Seriously. Rank 12 against 4 rank 4s. And yes confirmed they were on comms. Not sure it could get any more unfair to be honest.
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Yep, matchmaking got worse again.
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I mean as someone who plays at Rank 1 as killer, and just expects to end up against sweaty and optimal survivors, that would just be amazing, because I'm used to all red ranks each game, so if you're just gonna give me whatever comes down the pipe, first come first serve, my only thought is "FINALLY some chill games".
I don't think that's the way to fix the system though, even though I would personally benefit greatly.
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I respect the hell out of people who can play at that level and actually want to lol.
I don't know what will fix matchmaking. I know i need to git gudder. But the system we have now is just terrible
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Oh make no mistake, the matchmaking is really bad, I think most people would agree with you, I just don't think blowing the whole system up would solve that issue.
The best advice I can give is to succeed as killer you have to be as good at chases as you possibly can be. This was a video that really put me from a semi-decent killer to a much better chaser.
Just treat each game right now as practice, try to find mistakes you make and correct them as you go, focus on each chase and what you can do to improve.
Best of luck as you go :)
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Thanks for the advice! I usually watch Ohtofu doing his game analysis vids where he critiques others play. I do need to learn tile running better too.
Quick question. Are scratchmarks not as bright as they used to be? On the new map and yamaoka especially they just don't show up hardly at all. It's really irritating to he honest.
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Yeah I like OhTofu and Otz, even Tru's games can be very good to watch just in how they approach chases and manage a game. When to slug, when not to slug, etc.
As far as scratch marks, certain maps seem to reflect them differently.
Yamaoka in particular is kind of dark and the lack of a lot of walls leave few surfaces for them to show up on.
Unfortunately it's a tough map to follow survivors around on just with how many LOS breaks there are, you really wanna make sure your sound is as good as it can be and make sure to use headphones to pick up breathing, grunts of pain, etc.
You can track movement through the tall grass moving sometimes, similar to the corn movement, but this isn't always the case.
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Never understood why matchmaking doesn't at least use hours played in its factoring. Won't make much difference with smurfs, but would have helped a lot in the days of r1a deranking to kick in the teeth of fairly new players. Current matchmaking just sets that up on its own without even worrying about deranking now.
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this would be horrible as killer. nothing worse than survivors that understand splitting up and doing gens solo will destroy all killers.
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Think the issue is more the ridiculous rank reset system that BHVR invented, where Rank 1's would go back to Rank 10 every single month. From what I remember this was because back then they needed to bring everyone closer in rank otherwise queues would go crazy.
Problem is eventually many of them just stopped bothering to climb back and enjoy bashing in players well below their skill level, or having chill games.
The only problem with using hours played is unless it can explicitly tell survivor and killer hours you might end up with a new killer player getting stuck with rank 1 survivors cause they happen to be a rank 1 survivor main themselves.
Kinda reminds me of the league of legends days where you would see people with tens of thousands of matches but only Bronze 3 or something.
TL: DR Hours played =/= Indicator of Skill.
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So we as killers what? Depend on only being matched with noobs to win?
Edit: This was in response to snozer
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I wouldn't be so fast to say "it couldn't be worse."
I will say though I would totally say to pull the lever and try that out. At the very least it would spice things up and make it feel like any game could be something different, not just being stuck at rank 1 going against only Spirit or stuck at rank 20 only going against Leatherface.
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Of course hours played isn't an exact metric of skill, but it's certainly more relevant than our current system, which only ranks your ability to repeat the same task over and over. It's essentially an experience bar of its own. Calling it rank isn't even accurate, as it's not comparing performance to anything at all.
In a perfect world, it'd separate hours on survivor and hours in killer, but a survivor main with 2k hours is almost certainly going to have a better understanding of how to play killer than a killer main with 20 hours.
I wouldn't recommend it be used in a vacuum, simply that it's included in its calculations.
The entire rank system needs to be completely overhauled to where it's actually graded on performance vs other players of similar rank.
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It's not as bleak as all that. You can beat red rank survivors, it just won't be as easy as crushing noobs.
There are killers who play in red ranks everyday, if I can do it, you certainly can too. The game isn't so survivor-sided that getting to top ranks as killer is impossible in the slightest. Even optimal survivors make mistakes, more often than you would think either out of laziness or just plain bad moves. It just takes practice and understanding the loops and the tiles and how to run them as optimally as you can.
Will you win everytime? No, and optimal survivors and teams will sometimes really make you lose your mind, but to use another league reference your goal is to win 2 games out of 3, which will keep moving in the right direction.
Analyze your play, try to pick up something new every game and try to eliminate one mistake every game, whether that's doing a chase from the wrong direction, committing to one survivor for too long, whatever it is.
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I think you're responding to my response to the other poster. He seemed to be arguing that matching 2k hour Survivors with 2k hour killers is a nearly guaranteed loss for the killer, and that it's somehow better if 2k hour killers go up against much less skilled Survivors (which I guess is technically true in one sense).
It seems really weird to me that a lot of people are playing a pvp game and look down on the other side for playing to win, or just want to play a game with no real challenge. That's kinda the whole point of pvp vs party games.
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Yeah I didn't follow the context, my bad lol. Just proves this insomnia is really wrecking me.
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Yeah, it's alright... I knew I should've quoted it when I wrote it. I wound up editing it so it was clear even.
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There is no pretense. Everyone and their mother - including the devs themselves - knows that matchmaking is broken and the current rank system is heavily flawed. That's precisely why they're working on overhauling it.
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The pretense is them saying that the game looks at rank and slowly expands the number trying to keep in a +/- 6 rank range. If nothing is there then it goes beyond. So I'm getting instant killer games, like 5 seconds after hitting search, and getting matched with full groups 8 or so ranks higher than me.
So either system isn't looking to hard, system doesn't work, or system just checks on one side (survivor) and when it doesn't find anything it just throws whatever killer it finds to the wolves.
If the 3rd is how it works tell us. Don't give us false pretenses of a system working a certain way when it doesn't even try
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Do you know when this fix will come into place? Or will we have to wait for the developer's to announce it?
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No word other than they were looking to implement it and then the entire community saying they were stupid and it would never work.
Honestly if the devs just gave up I wouldn't blame them. This community sucks sometimes.
To be clear this thread was started because of frustration with the current system. I'm in no way trying to insult the devs.
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Unfortunately I don't know, so we'll have to wait for an official announcement. Hopefully soon - the devs know how bad a state matchmaking is in at the moment, so I'm sure they're trying to get the new system out as soon as possible while still making sure it's functional and ready for use.
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Agreed, I think this community sometimes doesn't realize that the developers work their asses off for this game and it's not an easy job.
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I haven't heard them say that for a while. In fact, the last I heard was them explicitly discussing on stream the fact that the matchmaking system has some serious bugs in it and is not working as intended. That's what I meant when I said even the devs themselves are very much aware that matchmaking is broken - not that they know the players are unhappy with it, but that they know it's literally broken, that is, not functioning as it was supposed to. They've been very open about that fact, which is why I say there's no pretense here.
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If thats the case then you are right. I don't watch many streams so all i can go by are the forum updates they give from time to time.
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Clearly you guys haven't been paying attention to the news.
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I'm illiterate. Care to share the jist?
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Probably because one of those weren't a rank 4 but a rank 15. In our swf group we rank at high as 2 and as low as 16. When it was 2,4,4,8 the killer was a rank 2. When the 16 is playing the killers rank between 10-12. So sure a rank 4 against a 12 might not be fair...of course they keep telling me rank is meaningless as a measure of skill...but if the killer was a 2 how fair is that to the rank 16?
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Relax. Matchmaking is telling you that you are better than you think. ;)
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I'd say it's fair because low level players teaming with high level players is a tale as old as multi-player gaming, and it's generally known and accepted that the low level is playing outside their skill level and depending on their more skilled friends to keep them safe.
In the other direction, a rank 12-16 killer getting match up with 3 high ranks and 1 low rank doesn't have any idea nor any say in being thrown into a completely unbalanced match.
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Well, brand new rank 20s against rank 1s would be worse. But, ya know....
Rank is useless period. It's only purpose is a matchmaking tool. What's broken is the emblem system. Since you cant acurately gauge someones abilities, you cant acurately place them with others as they should be.
If it disnt exist at all, the game would be far worse. Period. New players wouldnt stay, rank 1 players would steamroll every match that WASNT with red ranks, etc.
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They shouldnt be queuing up with people that much higher rank without understanding the outcome.
The rank 16 isnt being treated unfairly, they're playing with people at a higher rank, KNOWING it will affect the matchmaking and theyll deal with higher opponents than they should.
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Matchmaking is being replaced with an MMR system with rank being a fancy number for your own ammusement
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