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The Pig will be reworked in the next mid-chapter patch.
I am 100% sure that Amanda Young will have been reworked in coming big patch. Why?
First of all - Pig can be extremely unfun to play against. If Pig players want to - they will hard tunnel Survivors very easily by crouching right behind / abusing the chase mechanic so the Death timer eventually expires.
The second one is Pig is kinda weak. Her crouch mod is awful (3.6 m/s speed, this even slower than Killer carrying Survivors to hooks). Her ambush attack is barely useful against nice Survivors. Her traps are insanely inconsistent and unreliable. Survivors have a chance to remove the trap in the first box already. Or it might happen that Survivor searched 3 boxes, but the final, by luck, is occupied by Pig chasing/camping Survivors.
And - the Gideon meat packing plant. This map is very controversal. It is the smallest map so far, it means it should be very nice for lots of killers, but it has 2 floors, so it is not hard to stealth. Also OMG, there are so many INCREDIBLY SAFE UNMINDGAMEABLE PALLETS. NO, m1 killers are not wiable there, they cannot resist those pallets at all.
Finally - breakable walls. In Gideon's current state breakable walls would look weird and unesthetic.
That's my opinion. What do you think?
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Pig is in a rough state..however..I'd wager if a killer rework is in the cards itll be bubba, or wraith or someone like them whom are in arguably a worse position
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Hillbilly is not a terrible one, though he has outdated add-ons pattern.
Bubba - he is in a sorry spot, but he has reliable perk builds and
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I thought the next mid chapter was about Hillbilly's and Bubba's addons?
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Bubba has some stuff to defend himself.
Wraith? Is he weak?
Pig is an ideal candidate for getting reworked.
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Clickbait title. 😒
I think Leatherface and Clown will happen before Pig. Even then, devs have said that Pig changes will most likely be just an add-on pass.
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All she needs is the rng of her traps toned down and her mostly useless addons reworked.
-her dash attack is situational but extremely useful at certain loops.
-forcing survivors' heads to explode by blocking boxes, crouching to stay not in a chase etc is a massive waste of time. It's much quicker to kill them normally.
I'd have them give back her 28 metre terror radius too. I know they want consistency with 115/32 and 110/24 but also nurse, huntress, myers
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A Pig Rework would be nice, but I think that Bubba, Clown and Legion will be reworked first, I feel like they need it a bit more.
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In fact it's a lot more efficient to just camp somebody than to follow them around with a reverse bear trap to ensure that there
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Clown should be next. Though I'd love for it to be Pig, she's my favorite killer. I just want her RNG fixed so that survivors don't get their RBT's off on their first try so often. Its great for stalling the game... when it works.
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Pig trap tunneling is just another form of camping, a slower version really.
Her dash is really good, practice with and it lets you mind game some loops. It also synergies with STBFL.
Her addons are terrible, but that’s really all they need to change IMO
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Bubba can miss a survivor running in a straight line , wraith has minimal chase power so yes I'd say he is , so I'd say they were better options
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Her dash is not good. It is highly situational at best.
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Clown is in some serious need of buffing or at least a rework.
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I see high ranking killers use it all the time, it can end loops quicker than the Normal loop/loop/pallet break. Just off the top of my head Tofu uses it well and the best Pig player on the planet Scorpionz (by mutilple opinions) uses it and values it.
can you give me any argument that it isn’t good besides “I said so.”
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Pig just needs a few non-rng number tweaks. Increase her crouch movement, move the roar back to the start of the dash, maybe lower her TR back to 28m. Small things like that.
Also I don't know what you're on about @TAG because Pig's dash is one of my primary methods of attack, and it works really well for me! It's probably in how you use it.
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It can get hits on a lot of pallet loops that other killers can't get without just running around it or it forces the survivor to leave. Situational yes but not extremely.
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It can only end loops that are already not that safe faster than normal loop. On good loops? Nothing. On loops where the Survivor drops the pallet early? Nothing. On loops that the Survivor abandons to run to the next loop while you're setting up your mindgame? Nothing.
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I've certainly gotten some sweet hits off it too, but as far as I see it, ambush relies entirely on the Survivor messing up, no matter how next-level your mindgames are.
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I use it as a first hit mostly. Starting to incorporate more mind-games into my games, though.
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Pig used to be the best end game killer. The RBT change destroyed that. Now she is a meme killer :(
Not sure why anyone is saying Hillbilly needs a rework. He is still one of the strongest killers in the game and does not need a nerf or a buff. I still argue that the fastest killer in the game should not have a one-hit down, but at least it takes a certain level of skill to use it. Honestly, leave him alone. He's in a good place compared to all other killers.
Bubba, yeah, he needs help, but nowhere near as bad as Clown.
Top killers in need of help:
Clown - Clown is sad clown right now. Strangely enough, I've seen some amazing Clown players, but they are few and far between. I saw my first clown killer since December on Tuesday night. I ran up to him and gave him a hug. He got a hit in, then I looped him for 3 gens. Poor clown. I did run back in after everyone left and died crouching beside him. He was lonely.
Bubba - If you live for camping, this is your guy.
Pig - I love Pig. I absolutely love facing Pig because I just want to boop the snoot. She's so cute with that lil mask and trench coat. Unfortunately, she is not scary. There are some great players that make the matches lots of fun, but many just try to camp/tunnel and get destroyed. RNG is always on the extreme ends, where the average should be in the middle. You either get the darn RBT off on the 1st or last box. Don't highlight boxes until the trap activates. Pig can get a notification of which box was just used if the survivor did not get the trap off. It highlights for 3 seconds AFTER the survivor leaves it. It is a tracking mechanism of sorts. Revert the RBT end game status. Oh, and give extra BP for booping the snoot!!!
Trapper (give the man a second trap and let him go! No more spending 2 minutes just moving towards a random trap at the edge of the map. Put them in the lockers like Huntress' hatches and limit how many can be set. BOOM! That is all he needs.)
Wraith - He is not as bad off as Clown, Bubba and Pig, but he needs help. He is unfun to play and to play against. Only tunnelers seem to enjoy playing him. That's a first sign indicator your killer needs help.
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I mean, yeah, you can do that too, but that's also situational (and slow). The real "draw" of ambush is being able to contest pallets.
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There's really only two things Pig could use: the ability to pick which box unlocks the trap she's putting on and maybe an addon pass. Especially the ones that do stuff for skill checks while searching Jigsaw boxes. She is by no means a high priority for a rework.
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Either way, it's still one of the more unique parts of Pig that we can both probably agree on that needs a buff. I personally don't think that her RTB's need looking at, just the add-ons. And lots of smaller buffs in other areas.
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I think she will get nerfed.
What, not funny anymore?
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Honestly I do think Pig needs to be looked at, for the reason of the toxic gameplay. I don't often face them but when I do most of the time they're just putting a trap on my head and then tunneling the hell out of me, whether it be intentionally or because my team mates magically always know where to run to bring the killer to me. Especially when I'm on a box trying to get my trap off. I really wouldn't be disappointed if they looked at her before Clown or Bubba. Not that I think they don't deserve it, but I at least have more fun playing as and against either of those two characters than Pig right now.
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Nerf rework Bubba. I think they will remove his instadown. Because BHVR no want to buff weak kilers. Look at Legion. They remove his on-hit perk effect but increase his movement speed. it was hard to just increase his movement speed without touchin anything else?
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They should make it so survivors can't see jigsaw machine auras (face mask add on basekit), that way they really have to look for them.
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just so you know:
anything that would require audio changes or that would change anything visually on that killer and / or map would require an allowance from the license holders.
so even if she gets changes, it wont be anything too crazy.
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That's a community perception issue, and one that haunts true Pig players, like myself.
Funny thing is that the exact opposite is better. I actively IGNORE trapped players, because they aren't pressuring me.
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Killer doesnt need to be terrible one to get reworked . Good example is Freddy.
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Pig is mid tire not a bad killer. Needs reworked addons and a buff, but I think all killer needs buffing. Surviving should be hard not easy.
There are killers in more need of rework so no Pig this time.
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I dont think that Pig will get a complete rework, her base power is fine. She needs some QoL changes and updates, also agree that the map could get some adjustments. I agree and I think that Pig chapter might get a rework, but who knows. Billy, Leatherface, Legion and Myers chapters need a update/rework aswell.
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Billy's getting his add-ons looked at soon, same as Leatherface since they basically have the same add-ons.
Legion is tricky, since his core design seems to be about spreading damage which has proven to be really difficult to balance. If they made him into a melee Deathslinger with his Vault ability kept, then maybe they'd be balancable and decent.
Myers is fine as he is. His add-ons either completely change the game or slightly boost his abilities and his overall power is largely dependent on the player and perk conbinations.
I can also name the add-ons that are fine in Pig with one hand. Combat Straps, Video Tape, John's Medical File, Tampered Timer and Gears (including both here, sonce they do the same thing). Amanda's Letter is only good in niche situations and require a small map, like The Game, the extra traps/boxes are just "meh" and any add-ons that add effects on the traps are just aweful. I don't think that adding Exhausted or Blindness has ever helped me win a game. Any add-on relating to skill-checks is also a massive detriment to the player, since competent survivors can hit a basic skil-check, with experienced and skilled players using these add-ons to speed up the progress of the box. Ruleset No. 2 is also severely overrated, as I only really see it forcing survivors onto generators, the EXACT OPPOSITE thing I want as Pig.
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The extra boxes are probably her best addons, well those and combat straps.
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I just simply think she needs to be looked at to actively discourage that kind of play because her character just makes it way too easy. I agree with what you said here actually, that it's best to do the opposite of focusing somebody with a trap but a lot of Pigs I run into out of the few that I see end up doing it. It's starting to feel like a killer people pick specifically to play toxic (like people who play Basement Bubba) at least to me in my personal experiences with my games.
At the same time though, I also think she needs to be looked at because she just hasn't been the same ever since EGC came into existence.
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Leatherface needs a substantial buff, Hillbilly is fine; stop trying to nerf every killer. Pig needs a couple buffs but I kinda like where she is. Add more trap activation conditions
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I doubt it, as Pig doesn’t really need a rework(aside from a few add ons changes/buffs). As for Leatherface & Clown, they’re more likely to get a rework.
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I'm a pig main and her dash is pretty good. You do need to have some skill with her to use it properly, but it is good.
I like it because i use STBFL on her and it doesn't count as an M1 on the obsession. Also to scare people.
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I am also a Pig main, and I don't think her dash is good. I think it is very situational and relies, more than anything, on your opponent messing up.
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that's the idea. You crouch at a loop with a dropped pallet or even an unused one. Start the roar, go in one direction and then turn back around to ambush them. It's not perfect, no killer's ability will get you a down 100% of the time.
I personally think that the rework/buff that people are asking for is too much. there is a difference between a strong killer and an OP killer. Pig is pretty good as she is, but I think her biggest problem is with trap rng and some map pressure. She does have the constant pressure of being a stealth killer, but she can struggle in early game.
You have to know her strengths to do really good with her, so some of it is human error.
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that's the idea
That's what makes it not good. :P If I wanted a good version of that ability, I'd just play Spirit.
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So by that logic, demogorgon's shred is situational? It's super easy to avoid unless you're in a corridor or along a wall, so that means it's bad right?
I'm sorry so say this... but you just need to get good. or play spirit if that's what you want.
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Demogorgon's Shred isn't meant for stealth/loop contesting the way Ambush or Yamaoka's Haunting is, so that's not comparable.
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I main pig and their a lot of instances wherre a dash had gotten me hits where i couldnt m1
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I've gotten hits like that, too. It's just that it's caused by my opponents messing up more than anything.
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It's useful at Loops but it often relies on the survivor making a mistake.
The fact it only works out small to some medium loops already makes it situational
Something I learnt from playing against high rank survivors as Pig and play against pig myself is that you have a little bit of time to force the pig to commit in one direction.
The mistake most survivors make is immediately running the opposite direction of her ambush so by the time she turns around you have no time to react.
Due to the fact that she has a slight ramp up speed you have time to wait and see which direction she's fully going to commit to before running.
As for hitting The Obsession if you're a pig main you should know that trying to force out an ambush is never a smart idea. ( it's why Demi Logorgon's shred just does the job better. Shred is more meant for the offensive chases rather than mind game at loops)
Does this mean her ambush is bad no it's just it can be situational. If I have to rank it I would say it falls between the middle of good and situational.
Honestly all Crouch and ambush really need is just some quality of life tweaks and it's fine.
Grabbing from Crouch ( I can elaborate on this later)
Slightly increase the Crouch movement speed.
Reduce the charge time of the actual ambush
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Taking away the stupid roar would be a great start! Then touch up a couple addons and Pig players would generally be happy I think.
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