Fellow Killers, What Gives?
I am a killer main. Yup. Account level will soon be 100 and I am thoroughly enjoying myself with most of the selection I have at my disposal. I win when I play well and lose when I don't apply enough pressure, which tells me there is at least a decent amount of balance, overall. I made it to rank 6, have tried most of the killers, and am now addicted.
Diving deeper into the community, I became aware of Face Camping and other such troll-ish killer actions. Knowing that we killers lose a fair amount of blood points and rank potential from doing things like hanging around hooks, I figured this was a small issue that only trolls perpetuated.
I was so wrong.
These last two weekends, I've ventured into the world of survivor and, oh man, I had no idea it was this bad. Doing the math, exactly 70% of the killers my friends and I have come across in our last 20 matches literally facecamp hooks every time they get someone (we've been counting). This is on xbox, just as an FYI.
Look, its a video game and I get that you can play however you'd like at the end of the day. Its just difficult for me to believe that anyone would want to play this way. My friends and I get away almost every time, either all 4 of us or everyone but the one on the hook, so we know you aren't getting a lot of blood points. Furthermore, it takes the fun out of it. It's both simultaneously boring for the one on the hook and easy for the rest of the survivors who just spread out, knock out the genny's, and activate the exits.
The entire fabric of this game is woven around the chase mechanic. It's fun, challenging at times, and is how the players interact in Dead By Daylight. It's a nice reprieve from just shooting at people at all day in every other online game. Face-camping removes that from the game. And for what? I am asking this seriously, what are you gaining?
As I mentioned before, I am a killer main. This really doesn't effect my personal day to day. And for my few survivor matches, well, I breezed through the ranks thanks to this tactic. Hence my confusion. It's not like it even works...
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I'm a returning killer main havent played since january amd am super casual and dont play often, bought demodog with my leftover cells and leveled him a bit. Started the session rank 18 stopped at 15. Only had 1 displeased game several merciliess and some brutals amd ruthless mixed in. As I neared the end i started getting paired with purples and high greens. And the survivors started getting toxic attitudes. I didnt tunnel or camp the last games i was huntress on yamka i feel i did a pretty good job. 2k 2 escape and one was on death hook. I dont play her often ans missed a fair bit of shots. Que endgame chat asking hpw i have good perks, event skins yet was a baby huntress by a rank 8 (used bnp), 20, 15 and another brown rank. Most other endgame chat was either silence, gg, or the one player unhappy with their admittedly useless team.
On PC
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Devs themselves stated at some point that they don't have a clear "win" condition for each side, so for some the win is gaining a pip, for others a lot of bloodpoints, other accept only 3/4k. Those killers you faced probably were aiming to make the game as unfun as possible for survivors. Not every killer wants to apply the amount of pressure required to have a chance at winning. I had moments when my only objective was to be as toxic as possible and tilt as many survivors as i can, just because of how awful the previous games were. It's just a vicious cycle.
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"My friends and i"
That there is your problem. SWF is basically "legal" cheating because the devs can't stop the use of discord, and it lines their pockets with cash.
The game was not and is still not designed for you to tell each other every single thing the killer is doing and to organise gen completion and team heals.
This is very evident to the killer and the entire feel of the game changes between swf vs solo.
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PS4 also has killers like this but I'm not sure how many. I also am a killer main and only play survivor for challenges, But my killers never facecamp right off the bat its more like after 3 gens or if he was chasing me for awhile. Mind you I'm not toxic, I don't tbag or things I just wanna do the many more survivor challenges than killer ones.
Also have people like that on PS4 too. Although they get WAY more vulgar than calling me a baby killer.
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If we weren't partied up we might as well have been, given the perks and items available.
But that's a point for a different day. SWF has no bearing on face-camping and doesn't explain why its a tactic so generally in use.
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In regards to camping and tunneling, yes, survivors have it pretty hard.
Outside from the camping and tunneling, survivors have it easy.
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What does swf have anything to do with this discussion? The discussion is about asking face-campers 'what gives?', and you respond by saying swf is legal cheating?
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Fair enough. I agree completely.
But this topic is specifically about the face-camping. I am trying to determine why killers are using this tactic to such a degree. It can't be that they all honestly think its a good way to skill, rank, or blood point up? Because its not. The game doesn't reward it and in my past experiences, players generally choose the most rewarding tactics.
So, again, what gives?
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Player: using discord to talk to each other is “legal” cheating.
PlayStation & Xbox Party Chat: hold my beer.
Imagine thinking (survivor with friends) which is designed for you to play with friends and have fun is cheating because you want to talk to your friends. WAIT...
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Honestly, guys, I'd like to keep the conversation on the topic at hand, if possible.
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I'm a survivor main since 2017 and honestly, I don't see face campers that often. Usually it only happens when it's the first hook and 4 or 5 gens are already done, and in this scenario it's totally understandable because staying at the hook is the only thing that makes sense at this point from a tactical point of view.
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While you might escape because you’re playing swf, Facecamping often works against smaller swf groups or solo players. It requires no effort and often has a good success rate, guarenteeinf at least 2 kills minimum when you combine it with baby crutch NOED which all campers do.
In a swf you can all agree to rush gens and sacrifice one person. In 2 man swf or solo this wont happen. The person on the hook may just give up on hook as they realize they arent going to be able to leave, and as so many of the survivors points are tied up in unhooks this results in people feeling compelled to feed the camper to get those points. Its ridiculous and shows that the people responsible for the scoring system dont invest much time into the game.
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I honestly just got out of a match with a face camping Bubba, 2 minutes ago.
He was baiting everyone else and well, everyone died, I had a key. 3 gens got done and I escaped. He called me a Jew as an insult.
But anyways, I believe it's because they're self conscious about their own skills as a killer, they want that ONE kill no matter what.
It's that fear of leaving your bubble, you know? You leave your bubble, you might lose it all or gain it all.
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It's just what you see in lower ranks. A lot of killers when they start out don't really have any alternative besides hardcore camping and tunneling otherwise they'll lose. Some just don't know any better as they're just starting.
As someone who plays both sides in red, I rarely ever see a red rank facecamper. Like, they pretty much don't exist unless you did something to piss them off or you've been on the hook a while so they're going to guarantee your stage 2 or even death. Facecamping won't get you pips and it won't get you points so the majority of them are all in lowerish ranks as they should be.
Facecamping is incredibly boring for the killer as well so most of your higher rank people who enjoy interactions or want to actually play the game will never do it without some underlying reason.
Point being, try and get to red ranks and you should see a lot of the face campers disappear.
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These "people" probably only care about the concept I call "Mer Fer Keh", or just only playing to either ruin someone's day or strictly for 4k games.
They do not care about skill, learning, or the hunt. They are more braindead than an IRL Leatherface and exist soley to annoy others and drive them away from the game. They do not play survivor either, usually due to not holding a majority of the power or not being able to ruin games for people with a few button presses.
As someone who plays both sides, I can both empathise and predict survivors more easily, since I know their struggles AND methods.
The hunt is the most thrilling part of this game. Whether it be stealthing around the killer, running them to the otherside id the map, only to lose them soon aftwr they realise, a well executed ambush or finally downing a skilled runner by sticking your blade between their shoulderblades. No I'm not a sadist, I'm a frustrated retail worker who loves horror movies.
If more people played both sides, this game would be better off in terms of balance AND community.
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It's more effective when they face random squads.
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How come that recently there pops up a new thread daily with "I'm killer main, facecamp sucks" by accounts that just have a handful of posts?
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You know, that makes a lot of sense. Maybe it will all disappear once I get my survivor rank up near my killer rank.
Been lurking the forum for a couple of weeks and I haven't seen this exact thing pop up. This is a forum for asking questions like this of the community, is it not? Also, I wasn't stating that "face camp sucks", as my original post clearly indicated that it doesn't bother me much. I was just inquiring as to the general consensus regarding the strategy's viability and why its usage is so common. The quote above this one in my reply answered this quite well, I think.
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Welcome to Dead by Daylight, i am glad you have a blast!
The reason why people facecamp is normally because of 4 reasons: They are either bad at the game and can not get kills otherwise; they want to ruin the fun of other people just because they are mad at something; they might have a personal vendettta with one of the survivors or they are bored at regular gameplay and want to try out something new even it is really boring stuff like Basement Bubba.
There is nothing we can do against facecampers and i am sorry you experienced some aweful games because of that. On some days you might find many facecampers but on other days not a single one. I have noticed that the most toxicity gets unleashed on every weekend - on both sides by the way.
I wish you good luck and have fun, see you out there.
Kind regards
If more people played both sides, this game would be better off in terms of balance AND community.
So true, i also wish there would be some graph for the forum that shows how much and what roles people play. This would simply make a much better discussion overall - and especially a more objective one.
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I am having tons of fun! Thanks. :)
Honestly, I didn't intend this to be a complaint about face-campers as much as an attempt to understand. From my perspective, the strategy was nixed from my playbook quickly when I found it kept me from getting bloodpoints and rank pips. I guess I sort of expected other killers to be in the same boat.
No, the only toxicity that ruined matches for me were the handful of rank 18-20 Ghost Faces I came across who just walk around T-Bagging and not doing much of anything else. What a waste.
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Just a friendly reminder that your timing also sucks. Whenever more blood points are to be had, suddenly the survivor mains feel like playing killer again but they lack the experience. They complain a lot about the killer tactics looked down on but then use them themselves. Lotta killers right now that can not play by the survivor rule book. People can say what they want but in practice, I experienced killers can not help but try to secure the kill, the best way they can, which happens to be tunneling and face camping.
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I'm red rank survivor and more or less it never happens that killers facecamp or even camp. Tunneling sometimes but not often. But who cares they can play how they want?
As killer I'm rank 5 trying to avoid red ranks since it is stressful. I play normal but sometimes like after Ruin nerf I was protesting it by facecamping a lot. And why not I play how I want it's my one man team. But normally I just pressure gens but if someone is tbagging me then tunneling or facecamping happens. And I write down names of people who send me evil messages, they go straight on my facecamping list so if I see them again I will only hunt them down to facecamp.
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I hear you there. Here on xbox those red ranks are unavoidable. After making rank 8, almost all my matches are against 5-1's. I am now rank 7 and just had a match against 2 rank 1's, a rank 3, and a rank 5. I got 4k with Billy but only because they weren't respecting me or my chosen killer(healing out in the open, trying to interfere with a hooking, etc). Otherwise they could have easily gotten away. I am not that good yet with him.
Good point here too. I am a pretty trash survivor player and only switched sides because of the additional blood points available. In fact, I am so trash at survivor, earleir tonight I dropped a pallet in front of a guy I just unhooked, getting him caught by the killer. Whoopsie.
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Camping and tunneling are valid strats. All survivors run DS unbreakable and gen rush so it’s the only way to slow games down and get a 4K. Of course you camp hook. People have sprint burst and borrowed time. Why let them get away freely. Besides tunneling isn’t real. Just get good at looping.
/sarcasm
But seriously just wait until you get 4K instaslugged 2 minutes into the game and have a killer chainsaw spam or pick you up to put you on hook and attempt the 4% only to not respect it then Mori spam your body. it’s great
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I'm a rank 1 solo queue survivor and killer on PC.
I don't really run into facecamping that often, but I don't really have a problem with it either. It's a risky maneuver as you get higher in rank. I've been camped with 4 gens left and watched the killer walk away with a 2k. If the gens are done and the killer doesn't have an instadown, realistically, where are they supposed to go?
I don't know. Getting camped isn't the most exciting thing in the world, but it's kind of whatever. Play again or don't. It's not that deep.
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Are you in low rank as survivor? Because camping not that common in high ranks
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Except it has evolved well to that point. So much in fact, that the devs should balance around and add voice for solos, and buff killers to match.
Because its INEVITABLE that friends playing together will find a way to chat. You CANNOT avoid or stop that.
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Well, why are you trying to Kobe in front of a killer? Unless I have DS, Adrenaline ready, or Sprint/Dead Hard, I'm not even CHANCING putting myself, injured, directly in front of the killer.
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