Hex ruin nerf was unjustified

Decisive Strike is now a perk that at least one person needs to carry because there are more tunnellers than ever. It is a necessary evil, and the only one I consistently see out of the list that killers complain about.

Borrowed Time deals with campers.

Adrenaline is only a small and temporary boost when endgame is triggered.

There also aren't that many people using Spine Chill, but it is just a solid anti-stealth sperk for survivors.

It does also feel like there are a lot more people running NoED lately, and I think that it is an issue because it is a fundamentally badly designed perk. Now before you try and lynch me, my issue is the warning that people don't get. If it warned you of exposed, like every other expsoed effect (except Devour Hope, but you have to earn that one) then it'd be fine.

Idk, I think it's pretty reliable for mobile killers. Which is the main issue, though, right? Its primary use before was a crutch for killers with low mobility. Which is why I think it needs to also remove great skill check zones. More often than not, I can keep ruin in the match for a decent amount of time. Although I do play on console and am only tank 9. That doesn't really mean much though since I still go up against red ranks rather often.

If survivors were to lazy or to cocky to do bones they dont deserve a notification theres to much info for survivors in the first place and what do you expect killers to do especially slow killers like clown or buba you just took the only thing that gave you any o hope of an early game or at least getting to the middle of the map before 3 gens pop in a minute of course they will start to play for endgame

I think biased isn't enough to describe this, probably you should have used hypocritical.

Well ive been apart of plenty of teams and ive played sports football a team game if a teammate screws up or isn't as good as their opponent it usually hurts the team thats how teams work so yes you should be punished for your teammates mistakes you are benefitting from their contributions so you should also suffer from their failures and im going to say this with nothing but respect i dont want to hear about leaning on a perk when survivor meta is 4 second chance perks that require no skill pure crutch bs nerf those then we can talk

Well, I find the Second Chance meta a bit BS too, but I can also say that they are usually out if the survivor's hand.

DS - killer has to basically target you off hook. That or you're throwing yourself at the killer like an idiot.

BT - usually good for use against tunnellers and campers, but also exploitable. If someone unhooks directly in front of me, it is my mission that they are next.

Unbreakable - requires the killer to ignore you. Punishes bad play from the killer, but is also ONLY ONE USE.

Adrenaline - single use Sprint Burst and a health state. Only triggers at the beginning of endgame.

My killer playstyle also naturally counters ALL of these perks, since i never tunnel, camp or slug. Adren has no concern for me because I enjoy the hunt. I'll hit you again no issue.

I am once again calling you out on your bullshit and telling you to "PLAY KILLER FOR A CHANGE!" Don't like being rude but I swear you are one of those survivor mains that refuses to play killer because you "don't wanna deal with what I do to killers" or "killer is too easy" and your probably a rank 15 killer. Play killer at high ranks before you open up your mouth and criticize killer's, because one day the killer community won't exist and you'll be forced to play killer to keep the game alive.

"Old Ruin was perfectly balanced.. It only affected half the games population that couldn't hit great skill checks"... You do realize latency plays a big factor in hitting great skill checks right? Hitting a great skill check is like playing the one of those gambling games where you have to hit the button with precise timing. You an hit it at the exact same time over and over again but still achieve different results due to "casino's output demand aka latency".

You're correct in that it isn't healthy design of course, and you're unequivocally correct that it more harshly punishes worse players. It's made worse by the fact that at lower ranks, killers are actually pretty strongly favored.

Issue is we aren't spoiled for choice, and the Ruin we got in exchange still doesn't really help us very much when survivors can literally complete 5 gens in 3 and a half minutes. 3:30 is not enough time to rack up 9 hooks, which still wouldn't pip and may even depip because of the 0 Gatekeeper.

I think the devs need to increase the regression on Ruin to be just as threatening as before

Make it 400% (or equal to repair rate for those whom don't know) and survivors (when they find out its being used) will either finish the Gen their on then find the totem or they will immediately go for the totem sacrificing early game progress to get late game progress

Then on the killers side they will have more confidence to chase survivors off gens while injuring, downing and hooking

And I do agree that the Gatekeeper emblem needs to be adjusted to what the game is now

I used to run Ruin with Huntress Lullaby for added effect ( and those game slowed right the hell down if both totems stayed up)

Now I do use corrupt intervention... and it freed up a perk slot for my Pig (and the others but I am a pig main)

Old Hex Ruin worked ok at all ranks on PS4 as the skill checks could be so janky....

I know they work 'user side' so in theory they should be smooth but....there not.

Your takes on those perks are quite silly. Considering how fast gen speeds are, BT and Adrenaline can be used in various combinations to ensure everyone escapes consistently.

DS does not require one to be tunneled. It’s a 60 second immunity in which you can jump in a locker or stay on a gen. 60 seconds of staying on a gen and not being able to be pulled off. DS is not anti-tunnel and never has been

Then you have DS + Unbreakable where the killer has to leave you alone.

Or you have EGC hook trade with BT+DS to ensure you both can escape.

You’re minimalizing just how good these perks really are.

im not complaining about these perks. Just putting out how silly your arguments are.

Funny how I've also said on heaps of other threads how if you target the unhooker, it counters DS, BT AND Unbreakable. And how these perks are abusable.

My points both cover natural/intended use, AND a common abuse for it, such as hurtling yourself at the killer with DS. I covered all bases, so how is it silly?

Also, as for the frustrating EGC example, you're essentially playing with one or zero perks in order to get that escape. Since killers get to say this for NoED, it's only fair that we do it here too.

Adrenaline is only triggered when endgame is reached. Borrowed Time only happens on an unhook, but it is also the killer who activates the Endurance effect. Decisive Strike is also one use only, and can be activated after being unhooked. It's then on the killer to activate the perk. Unbreakable is activated by a killer, since it's entirely THEIR choice to leave that survivor on the ground.

I haven't minimalized anything. I simply pointed out that these perks are not 100% within the survivor's control, esoecially since there are 100 other threads already stating how combining these perks work. You're going to need a little bit more than "Your takes are silly", since they are not takes, they are observations.

I observe and I analyse. I share my findings where they are necessary.

If people a doing generators while DS is active, then put them on the ground. If someone grabs another survivor off a hook in your face, punish them for their hubris. If Unbreakable is used, then you don't have to worry about it for a later stage in the match.