Ds change(any opinons welcome)

Ds is a fine perk. The problem is 4 people should not be able to use it without any repercussion. Basically all they need to do is make 30 secs if you are not the obsession. But if you are it's the normal 60 seconds. Plus it needs to bot activate once the gens are done. Had a game where I got 3 down all three ds me into the safety of the exit.

Not sure if you mean my idea or his but let's be real 4 people getting a whole a minute of safety is to much. It why most killers end up slugging which is the worst imo. Slugging ruined the fun for killers and survivors. I'm not saying it so I can get 4ks. Most killers I see getting those are from just facing bad survivors skillwise, they proxy camp which is just lazy unskilled imo, or good survivors that are way to altruistic and cocky for their own good and die for it.

I feel that there simply needs to be a criteria for the perk to deactivate. Say repairing a generator, or perhaps a different survivor being hooked. The perk is anti-tunneling and I respect that, but the frustration comes from when a killer finds a survivor that's fresh off the hook repairing a nearby generator. Of course the killer is going to stop that, but that falls under the 'anti-tunneling' perk's strength.

If there was a condition to cancel the perk, then the full 60 seconds would feel justified. If the killer intentionally chases a survivor right off the hook, then that is cause for punishment. If that survivor isn't in the position to chase for longer than a minute, the perk activates and does it's job. If the survivor does loop the killer for over 60 seconds, and then they get downed, that survivor still wasted at least a full minute of the killer's time. I'm also fine with survivors being able to jump into lockers, because at the very least for the duration the survivor decides to stay in the locker, they're not working on objectives. If the survivor wants to try baiting a killer into being stunned by the perk in the last few seconds of it's duration, they can still do that, so long as they haven't touched an objective in-between the unhook and being downed.

If the perk is an anti-tunneling perk, then it shouldn't be so universally strong in non tunneling scenarios. But that's just my opinion.

Lol what?.. No.. all a killer has to do is slug you until it runs or eat the DS and tunnel you until you're dead. The only time DS becomes overpowered is during end game when the Exit gates are open, allowing the survivor to get off and make a break for the gate.

The timer needs to be lowered to 25/35/45 seconds and the perk should deactivate if the killer hooks someone else or gets an additional 2 downs. Or eats the ds ofc.

I say this to cover unsafe hook saves where your downed instantly. Then your savior is downed and hooked quickly you should still be able to use it.

But then again maybe just another hook. It would be punishment for not running bt and doing an "unsafe" hook save.

It would give another survivor the chance to run in and try to save or take aggro. Swf or not. It's noticeable when someones getting the tunnel.

Let's face it. Killers are always going to tunnel.

I being a killer main think it's not a get out of jail free and it is anti hard tunnel.

Or you could change it completely. Remove the timer completely. It should activate if your dead on hook and should only deactivate once the gens are completed. Or you eat the ds ofc

I would say endgame but as long as gate progress is saved and ppl can 99 them endgame is a joke.

"Get outskilled nerd!" - a friend of mine used to say this whenever he ds'd someone.

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Its not fine

If a survivor rushes a hook knowing they have DS and will get a free escape or slugged for 60 and get a free heal how is that fair?

Also 60 seconds after unhook? You know how much happens in 60 seconds?

How is it fair if you unhook someone, I chase, knock, hook you and they go for the rescue or a gen and I down them only OH ITS BEEN 59 SECONDS GET DS'ED.

Well if the killer chooses to open the locker than I guess NOED is fine cause a survivor chooses not to do bones.

Should deactivate if you do any interactions within the killers terror radius other than vaulting or dropping a pallet. Any Protection hits triggered after 5 seconds or more after being unhooked should disable it. If you are bodyblocking for someone else to protect them, your not being tunneled your asking to get hit and thus no longer should be protected by DS.

Make non obsessions only stun for 3 seconds.

Here's my take.

Keep the timer at 60 seconds. Decisive Strike stays active as long as you are only doing actions that are designed to keep yourself alive. The instant you do something to either progress objectives or help a teammate, it goes away. Actually with those restrictions the timer could be made longer.

So, running, vaulting, throwing pallets, getting in lockers, getting healed, self healing, and recovering while slugged are all fine.

Repairing generators, cleansing totems, unhooking teammates, sabotaging, and healing teammates turn it off.

I think searching a crate can keep it on because you could be searching for a medkit to then heal yourself with.

DS to the safety of the exit? Would you complain about borrowed time, too?

Hah. No killer is advocating for a NoED change, so you can count on zero survivor support for changes to DS.

We are now, it would seem.

I experiance it all the time, you said you havent see anyone post it so I gave you an example

I just told you I experience it all the time

I think a survivor having 60 seconds of invisibility is a bad idea. As soon as a survivor does any objective the perk should deactivate.