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The Legion are one of the best killers in the game
Ok here me out for a moment.
Personally, due to good map pressure, aswell as being able to find survivors easily and slow the game down, as long as you know how to play on tiles, The Legion are one of the best killers in the game.
Now is he better than Freddy, Spirit, Nurse or Hillbilly? Maybe Freddy? But the rest no. For me they're a top five.
They also works amazingly with certain perks (such as blood echo and thanataphobia).
Obviously there will be people who think different, but people say so much bad things about them when in actual fact they're fairly strong.
Edit : Decided it would be a great idea to do some more stat tracking, and this one will be on Legion at rank 1.
Edit 2.0: Done tracking stats, here is a link! https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/141752/i-played-50-games-of-legion-with-stats-long-version/p1?new=1
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eh.. no?
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In theory you are right. That's what I thought. But as you play him you will see that your games last slightly longer but you will get no kills. The problem with Legion is his power does nothing to help him down and snowball. He can be looped for days. Best slowdown but worst chase in the game.
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I'd argue there. Most of my games are 3-4k with Legion, with most 3ks being a hatch escape. Usually I pip and I have a gen or two lefts by the end.
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That's completely fine. Until you face some of those good survivors and you wont get a down without losing a gen. They will force you to chase them for at least 30 seconds and you'll lose a gen every time
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Trust me I've faced many, many good survivors. Not including my first few games as him, I'm yet to get a 0k, and I've only got a handful of 1ks.
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So much wrong here.
First off, the idea that Legion is somehow better than any of those killers, in particular Freddy is laughable. Freddy is without question one of the strongest killers in the game by a mile, and Legion isn't fit to hold his jockstrap. This is coming from someone who plays Legion quite regularly.
Second, the term "map pressure" means literally nothing. Traversing the map quickly means precisely nothing if you can't do anything once you get there. Legion's power is either injury or mobility, it doesn't get to be both because he needs to hit often to keep recharging it. Meanwhile Billy can sprint across the entire map, stop and immediately rev to insta-down a survivor. Map pressure without kill pressure is useless.
And good lord if I have to listen to one more poster on these forums talking about how Thanatophobia is a good perk. Is math really lost on this generation?
First off, let's ignore the fact that you have to get 4 people injured for maximum effect of 16%. But even at four people injured, an 80 second generator will now take.......an extra 12.8 seconds. OH SNAP! THAT GENERATOR SLOWDOWN SON. We are literally talking a 3.2 seconds PER INJURY. It's a terrible perk and everytime one of you people talks about it like it's some amazing perk cause you read the tooltip I die a little inside.
And blood echo? I can't even.
Now they are not "in actual fact fairly strong". He's a mediocre killer that I enjoy as a guilty pleasure (and the fact that he's a BP machine thanks to tons of meaningless hits) but to pretend he's strong, particularly against a coordinated or even semi-optimal team is laughable.
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I mainly think he's better then Freddy because they can simply slow down the game so much more (as long as speed reduction add ons aren't being used). Yes Freddy can teleport to gens, giving him great map pressure on some maps, but against a team that get the job done where he can't delay them all, he struggles. Also his traps CAN be good but often survivors can avoid them in some way.
Secondly, use it right? It's both! Especially in an anti-healing meta, commonly seen against the Legion, you're there and you're on an injured survivor. Yes there might be no one at that generator, so then you continue to patrol.
Finally here is why Thanataphobia and Blood Echo are great perks on The Legion.
Survivors have to spend 12 seconds mending themselves and an extra 12 seconds repairing that generator (If everyone is injured which is common facing The Legion). This is like a Pop goes the weasel that can be used without having to get a hook.
Blood Echo is mainly useful for the fact is causes survivors to be exhausted. Any of their exhaustion perks are useless if I find them quick.
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Legion can be really good for ranking up. 28 stab wounds and all.
The problem is their ability to secure downs does seem near non-existant.
Freddy is also THE top killer at the monent, or at least one who isn't Nurse. Bold claim that the Legion can be better than them.
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The problem that I always have is why do people consider Freddy so good.
I don't think he's all that good or fun to play as, and he isn't a hard game playing against him.
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He has a power to help end chases and map pressure in the form of his teleport and the Dream World.
His power also combines and compliments some of the strongest powers in the game right now.
You also don't have to devote several months of your life straight into learning how to play him well, unlike Nurse.
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His map pressure I understand. Being able to teleport is great and does allow pressure of he goes to the right generator.
His traps, if they're pallets or does blood pools, don't phase me. I try to run through blood pools when not in a chase and asleep if I see one. If I'm in a chase I'll either tank it or run around it.
I usually pay attention to every pallet early game if I'm against a Freddy, and I usually go for only pallets I know are real.
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legion sucks balls
also he was falsely advertised, i still remember
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I also hate that they were poorly advertised, but people give them a bad name despite them being good.
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His power easily falls apart when no one is grouped together. Or if they turn a corner since scratchmarks disappear.
Otherwise he can keep everyone injured near the entire match. And keep track of multiple people.
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Alright so I think this is a good opportunity for an educational moment, rather than typical snark. So I'll try to cover why Freddy is probably the best killer in dead by daylight at the current moment in as TL:DR a manner as I can.
First off the dreamworld gives you no terror radius, as survivors are in the oblivious state. Freddy also can't be seen past 32 meters to awake survivors, and you can reduce this to 24 meters with the pill bottle. You only appear intermittently to survivors from 16 to 32 meters meaning Freddy often gets hits on awake survivors simply because they didn't even see him coming.
Now I'll move onto his traps, the issue is you've either gone against dumb Freddy's who thought his traps are like Hag's or Trappers, which they aren't. His traps are more Akin to the Doctor's shock therapy ability, but instead of preventing actions they slow survivors down. Freddy employs his traps when survivors get to a loop to slow them down and end the loop quickly. Let's say I come to a standard pallet loop. I will place traps at both ends of the loop then chase the survivor around the loop (Freddy can put down traps literally on the run, unlike hag who has an animation) and they will inevitably be forced with two bad choices, either loop wide and lose ground to me since I'm faster, or take the slow and likely get hit. Even worse, if the Freddy is employing a Z or Unicorn block, you now have hemorrhage or blindness for 60 seconds as well, though admittedly this is a minor factor.
As others have said in his post his ability to teleport across the map is incredibly effective for two reasons. One it allows him to tons of map mobility and getting to another survivor after say hooking one is incredibly strong. Second this allows him to deliver direct generator regression in the form of Pop Goes the Weasel as fast any killer can deliver it to the priority generator. If you combine Pop goes the weasel with either Thrilling Tremors or BBQ and Chili you will immediately see which generator survivors are working on upon hooking someone, allowing you to teleport to it in less than 4 seconds and delivering a 25% total regression. That is INCREDIBLY STRONG. Even Billy can't do something like that.
Honestly I think most Freddy's don't use fake pallets unless they wanna meme or do a "what is real" build, traps are significantly more useful.
OH I almost forgot, you wanna talk about repair slowdown? Swing Chains slow down repair speed for all survivors even while awake, and that repair speed slowdown multiplies for each survivor in the dream world. Did I mention Freddy puts survivors in the dream world passively? No hits required, immediate slowdown all game without doing anything. And if you wanna be a major prick, feel free to employ "Forever Freddy". Red Paint Brush forces survivors to either wake each other up (which takes longer and longer to do) or routinely go find dream alarms to wake up as Red Paint Brush prevents wake up from skill checks. Combine Red Paint Brush + Swing Chains + the new Hex: Ruin with a Class Photo and survivors will be constantly under heavy repair penalty, while losing progress everytime they let go of a generator, which will happen often because with class photo whenever you teleport all the generators spout blood. If you run forever Freddy and DON'T get flamed in after-game chat you are the second coming of Jesus, please sign my yearbook.
So what you have is a killer who can teleport across the map and with perk assistance always be in prime position to regress a priority generator, traps that can end loops at an almost clown-like level, baseline oblivious when they are in the dreamworld, addons that absolutely make it a nightmare to repair anything, and addons that can make it seem like he's teleporting to every generator at once.
In short, brother's strong yo.
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The Legion are close to being a nicely balanced killer, but not quite there yet. They need the unnescessary restrictions removed from their power, making Feral Frenzy easier and less punishing to use basicly. And they also need a good dusting of their add-ons, especially the purple ones, 2 of wich are complete useless garbage.
I think the Devs had the right ideas with the Legion rework, they just turned the screws a bit too tight. They should not have been afraid of making Feral Frenzy stronger and more convenient as long as it remain non-lethal.
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lol
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All I play is Legion, and as much as I love them, I still sadly can't say that they are one of the best killers in the game.
Indeed, they are so close and with a few minor tweaks they can become really good, but currently there's way more killers that can do better than him while also taking less effort than him to play.
You really start to see Legion's weakness once you play with god SWF survivors, they will play in a way that will make his power seem useless and you will really feel pathetic playing him.
Still gonna play him tho as he's the only killer I actually find fun to play, hopefully BHVR does some minor buffs soon
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Legion is countered by either holding W or just not grouping together. Against Survvors who know how to actually counter him, he's the literal worst Killer in the game. His power is to give himself Decisive Strike.
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No. Legion is not top 5. Is Legion a solid killer? Yes. Middle of the pack for sure. Lower B tier if Im being generous
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Well I'm glad you explained that, because then I face Freddy mains who appear to be very dumb.
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Even I wouldn't call them amazing. Hag, Nurse, and Spirit do what Legion can do better. The only advantage Legion has is the KI readings, which the killer has to interpret and use to their fullest extent. Hag can teleport to her traps, which are often faster than a Legion's Frenzy, Nurse can ignore walls, even if she is masochism to play, and Spirit is much faster (with addons) and can down people using her phase.
Legion can't even down people with their power. The only way to do that is Frank's Mixtape/Stab Wounds Study, but they can mend in your face if they figure it out and you really want the addons to be useful...
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Legion is still M1 killer without any tools that help in chase, that's why he is not strong.
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-survivors see Legion or deep wounds on another survivor- -survivors now all do their own gens- -Legions power now hurts Legion more than the survivors-
Also thanatophobia is objectively a bad perk. Again, if the survivors spread out it will go from bad to useless real quick.
If the survivors are bad any killer will work, Legion included.
Long story short Legion has too many restrictions on their already underwhelming power to be a good killer against any competent team. It really boils down to either:
A) Survivors are competent, spread out, now you're just an M1 killer with a non-lethal power that stuns them.
B) Survivors are not, all stay grouped, get killed (because type of players also usually can't loop).
C) Survivors are not, stay grouped, but loop you because you have no chase power and you're most likely on a survivor favored map since that's most of them.
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Not really lol, Legion has no power to down survivors and that is the biggest issue with the killer. Injuring and keep survivor injured is nice and all but if you dont have any power to down them then this Killer is trash.
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Legion is a hit or miss killer. You can run the same build in every match and have a 4k one match and a quad escape the next. If you have a group of survivors who insist on sticking together everywhere they go, legion is very effective and a great time waster.
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With the exception of trailer which really didn't convey their power in the slightest they weren't falsely advertised.
If your referencing the teaser image that was the community jumping to conclusions and acting like their headcanon was gospel.
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It really depends on the survivors you're playing against. Against mediocre loopers he's godlike. Against good loopers he's complete garbage.
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a survivor who turned out to be the killer was what was shown
that is not what was it turned out to be
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That's why I said with the exception of the trailer.
Besides the trailer nothing else was really falsely advertised
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Legion has a power that can’t down survivors. Their power is to give survivors Borrowed Time and a Sprint Burst. They’re basically playing tag with the survivors.
They have mediocre map pressure. What are they gonna do when they get to their destination? Legion suffers a four second stun (basically a DS stun) and has to chase normally while a killer like Billy can instantly chainsaw and can get to one side of the map quicker and suffers no stun or a killer like Spirit who can phase walk and still down with her power once she gets to the opposite side of the map while suffering no stun.
Even disregarding the top tier killers, Legion isn’t better than mid-tier killers like Plague, Myers, Ghostface, and Wraith. All of those killers can at least use their power to either down or sneak up on survivors. Legion’s power is more of a hinderance than anything.
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It sounds like you haven't reached your targeted rank with them yet. I suggest holding your final verdict until after you've stopped getting 4ks and you consistently get 2k games, or start safety pipping with them a lot.
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If they're injured then you go for the body block on a windown or pallet. They'll spend about 2 seconds trying to get through before they realise they can't, and as long as I play my average game when it comes to looping, they're dead.
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That's what I'm actually trying to do actually. I've decided to play 50 games as Legion and track important stats, and so far out of the 15 I've played, 11 have been 4ks.
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If you like really long, mind-numbing matches...sure.
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Not for me, although experiences form opinions.
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Oof, I have had numerous legion matches drag on for ages with random teams. They run around mend hitting everyone before engaging in a chase. Everyone is off gens trying to mend/heal. They don't execute a chase well and so they abandon or eventually get a hook and then the process repeats. The whole thing is a lengthy cluster. Its also annoying AF to essentially have to heal twice to get one health state numerous times. I'd rather die.
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In my opinion the only advantage with playing Legion is they can reduce gen speeds just a little bit.
Had Ruin not been nerfed, Legion could've made a powerful killer if the perk was equipped.
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Legion is one of the best noob stompers: Self-care, people wasting pallets when you're on FF, dead harding, hiding from killer's instinct, and some other noob things. But against good survs, its not that good
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Why play Legion and bodyblock when you can play Wraith who can bodyblock (who can uncloak faster than Legion’s stun) while also having more map pressure and stealth on top of that?
It’s totally fine to play Legion, but they’re just not gonna be able to compete with good survivors who can loops and split gens. Legion’s biggest weakness is survivors who split gens. While killers like Nurse, Spirit, Billy, Hag, and Oni can all down survivors quickly and maintain map pressure on top of that. Legion just can’t.
Legion is a noob-stomper.
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Fair enough, although I still think Legion slows the game down very well, especially considering that people don't heal often anymore, as they already waste 12 second mending, while people are more encouraged to heal against other killers.
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He’s nowhere near as bad as people make out. Sure he’s an M1 killer but he only has to do hapf the work of all other M1 killers. Free hit and survivor location notification.
Legion is also a great example of bad game design. He’s actually quite an embarrassment for the game.
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Please post Rank and Hours played.
Thank you.
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I have 600 hours.
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Legion doesn't have great map pressure when his power is only useful when people are together.
All his power basically does is give you info on where people are and helps you spread out damage all while spreading deep wounds. This sounds good until you realize he has absolutely no lethality, almost no mobility, and a power that doesn't help down people.
After deep wounds he's just a 115% killer with no power. Play your loops well and yes you can get a hit but that is until you can get a survivor that can play loops well.
Hitting someone with a basic attack reduces the meter gauge by 50%
You are literally being Punished for hitting people with a basic attack. And you completely lose your power when you miss people which can happen from auto aim.
Legion: a killer with a power that only serves a purpose to get free first hits and spread out damage all while wasting time for the survivors.
Sounds good
But then you realize the time you waste isn't a lot and he is just a regular 115% killer.
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After getting stats of 50 games! Here they are! https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/141752/i-played-50-games-of-legion-with-stats-long-version/p1?new=1
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