moris are way more OP than keys

I can answer this

Killers bring up keys when mori's are mentioned as they do the same thing almost

Mori's deliver HUGE pressure, Key's take away HUGE pressure by having 1-4 survivors escaping through hatch

Both equally powerful, simple changes can be done to them to make them still useful

Ebony Mori- All survivors must be hooked once before you can mori any survivor

Ivory-Same as before

Cypress-Base kit

Keys- give a process to opening hatch, sort of like working on an exit gate. It being instant can make the killer only watch as the survivor gets out without punishment

Simple balance changes to make both weaker, while making them useful still. People have mentioned the 2 hook idea for Mori's but then they will become almost useless as its safer to just hook the survivor for the sacrifice.

Don't shut down the thread by labeling it bait. This is what society use to call "Discussion". This dude countered what was offered as an explanation and I am interested in what others feel about the issue.

The opposite side of the coin to moris was the insta heals that medkits used to have. Moris remove a down to get a survivor out of the game. Insta heals used to be able to negate a down. It took one instaheal to negate an ivory mori and 4 to negate an ebony mori.

Comparing keys to moris is ridiculous (especially if you remember insta heals). What keys do is allow you to convert the amount of your objective that needs to be done to match the amount of survivors you still have alive. A 4 man key escape requires doing the complete survivor objective and then the added hassle of actually finding a randomly located hatch. That would be the equivalent of a mori requiring the killer to hook a survivor 3 times and then the animation activating and locking the killer in place on the 3rd hook. Then the requirements get more lax with each survivor taken out of the game which means even if it gets used, the killer is punished less for it. At one survivor left, it's the equivalent of what's baseline plus the survivor can use the hatch instead of the doors during egc. What moris allow you to do is remove half the requirement for getting a survivor out of the game, and removing a survivor from the game is overwhelmingly more impactful than removing a gen from the game.

Personally, I'm ok with ivory and cypress moris, but I think ebony mori definitely needs to be balanced. I've seen somebody suggest that you can't start using any kills from ebony mori until every survivor in the game has been hooked at least once which would definitely help balance it. Personally, I think the first killed should work like ivory mori in that you can kill one survivor after one hook, the next 2 kills should require 2 hooks first, and the final kill can work like cypress mori since that survivor would be dead after being hooked anyways.

How in the hell did you miss the ENORMOUS fact that moris require only hooking a survivor once? The chase is the most time consuming part of getting rid of survivors and a mori allows you to skip that part twice. Admittedly, it does save probly less than 10 seconds of getting a survivor to a hook, but you completely neglected the fact that it saves god knows how many minutes of chasing.

And what kind of twisted logic did you use to come to the conclusion that a key saves 4 players 20 seconds each? Finding a hatch takes way more effort that opening a gate, and because of the 30 second auto closing, they actually have to gather all 4 players without the killer seeing before they even opening it.

If your logic is that there's no reason to expect an unhook, then your opinion on moris is pretty much pointless. Moris require an unhook to affect the game at all and you seem to think that getting unhooked isn't something to be expected in a game when about 99% of the playerbase will clearly disagree with that. I play at high ranks where unhooks are common as all hell. And unless the survivors give the killer a reason to stay near the hook, there will usually be 2 unhooks before a survivor is killed.

And if you honestly think that you can view 40% of the map in 1 second using all 4 survivors combined, your opinion on hatch finding is also invalid since it's based in dellusion unless you're using hacks to see through all the line of sight blockers. If that statement was honestly true, it would make Huntress the most powerful killer in the game since there was nothing to stop her hitting hatchets. A survivor can generally see if the hatch is on the tile that they're on if they know where it spawns on that title. Btw, hatches actually do spawn on exit gate tiles though admittedly the hatch generally is at least 3 feet from the edge of any tile.