Doctor need a nerf

All killer lunges are exactly the same. Except for Myers in tier 3 and Nurse.

@Gonourakuto

Yes Doc is strong now, but nowhere near op. If a surv knows what he's doing, he can even loop the doc. It takes timing for the doc to get effect of the shock at a pallet. I had some encounters were the surv didn't bother to throw the pallet whenever i charged a shock.That move was actually prolonging the chase bc i loose speed with each shock (that did nothing). Docs shocks are best when there is a lying pallet, to deny them their vault. If they don't drop the pallet, the loop goes on. So just know what you are doing, and you can handle doc.

Also, if you don't want to found, either take Clam spirit, like many said (it also works against clown, btw, and infectious fright, which is deadly on nurse and one-hit killers), or try to be more aware. For example, if the doc hooked someone, it is liekly he will use his blast to find new targets. If you hear his TR after the hook, hide in a locker to avoid the scream.

I'm sorry, but people who dc against a certain killer are the worst. You ruin the game for 4 other people, just because you feel this killer sucks and you don't want to face him. Guess what, everybody has killers that they doesn't like to face (for me it's Trapper or Hag) and if everybody dc's it would be quite impossible to have normal matches.

Madness tier 3 btw makes actions like healing, doing a gen, a totem, a chest etc impossible but you can still unhook, drop pallets and going in a locker should be possible too (I'm not 100% sure on that one, they might have changed that). So if you were really unable to drop a pallet in Madness tier 3 (without being shocked of course) you should file a bug report.

Doctor's power is good at stopping the loops that are only slightly safe. And even then, he's not that great at it. If you're getting caught at jungle gyms and pallets like that, you really need to stop greeding them and throw them earlier. Seriously don't know why people think Doctor can stop all these loops, he's still not great at chasing people. He is a noob stomper though so I can give you that.

Doctor is fun to play against and as. If he's chasing you either bait the shock blast early or pre vault a window/ drop a pallet early. If you try to loop him like you would most other killers, he's going to smack you.

All in all, break line of sight and be sure to pre vault or drop pallets early.

Clearly he is op since he shows up in 50% of my games when there are a dozen other killers hes contending with and everyone is picking him.

Naw, it's happened multiple times against him where I tried to drop a pallet or vault something in tier 3 madness and it doesn't work. I'm pretty sure it's intentional. It's bull$*!t to me. I DC on almost all doctors and gunslinger. Until they balance out those characters it's no fun for any survivor characters. Mindo you I play almost exclusively solo and that changes the balance of the game big time.

Just read Doc's power description: Madness Tier 3 makes repairing, sabotaging, healing, cleansing and searching impossible, but not unhooking a person or dropping a pallet/vaulting. If you can't vault in Madness 3 even though the doc hasn't shocked you (the shock prohibits every action for 2,5 seconds, including vaulting etc.) it's clearly a bug, so you should record it and file a bug report.

You know what screws over a solo team the most: Having a player less right from the start. It's your opinion that nobody has fun against those killers, I don't mind the Doc even though he isn't the most fun to face, Deathslinger is interesting to play against in my opinion. I hate to face the Trapper, but I don't dc against him, even if I play solo. And thats my point: There are very few killer who are universally liked, so if eveybody does, what you do, most matches would have a dc and that would suck for everybody.

It's understandable that solos don't want to face a mori or super strong addons, but dc'ing just because you hate a certain Killer is not. There are perks and builds against those charakters, try those.

came on, doctor is one of the good killers in this game, i am main survivor, and i prefer a killers OP than weak. i love difficult games , in this way i can feel the esperience as a survivor jeje

Doctor was alrdy nerf'd, nice bait bro.

Doctor was nerf'd not buffed.

Sorry, but an actual doc main disagrees with you on that:

So you are complaining that he is using his power, mind you a power that cannot physically hurt you, to find survivors? You going to complain about nurse using her blink to catch survivors next or.......

These post. Its amusing reading these "novels" about an unstoppable force that is doc. But in reality world doc is a DECENT killer at best.

1. He needs you to be in his terror radius to know that you are there. You have a loud as **** charge up sound to indicate he is using it. Run away. He is slowed. You can find a locker by that time. IT HAS A COOLDOWN OF 1 MIN.

Remember old doc? When he just walked around with his ENORMOUS 32m terror radius (its called a normal terror radius in reality) And just passively made you tier up by litteraly not doing anything? Without a cd? And he could just made his TR bigger to make the whole map a passive madness tier up. FOR FREE.

New doc has a Cd, counter play and range issues.

2 His new shock has the same delay as the old switch back. Also if a doc hitting you with shock he is losing speed as well, you dont. And yes you have to early drop pallet thats doc, its been since realese.

3 His lunge is normal, you just bad.

Git gud.

I think Doc is well-designed, he gives access to really good pressure if you have some skill with his power and a decent mind for resource management. Counter him by not greeding at loops.

im a doctor main 2, and its a nerf.

when they remove his ability and makes it worst then its a nerf.

ive played since beta with LP survivors and killers but lets not focus on that.

facts trump any argument. they made him weaker now then he was.

the only thing that might count as a "buff" would be Iridescent Queen.

• Static Field is stronger then Static Blast.
• snapping out now takes u down to tier 1 VS it would take u down to tier 2.
• Static Field could grab survivors.
• Static Fields TR never changed.

just a few examples of how it was better before.

My point was: He isn't a random person on the forum, you can check how he plays, how much he plays etc. You can't know that about me and I can't know that about you (for example, it's possible to play in 2016 and then stop and come back after two or three years, meaning you started playing long ago but didn't played a lot. A few months ago I met a legacy Trapper like that.)

I don't know about facts, if for example his kill rate declined signifikantly after the change that could be a fact but most things besides hard numbers etc are more opinions than facts imo (I'm thinking of the tru3 Wraith discussion).

You didn't said why static field is better.

I don't think that his static field was that good. You tier'd up passive and slow and the counters are the same as to static blast: Lockers and leaving the terror radius and because of the slow build up you had more time to react to that than you have now imo.

You can still make your terrorradius and therefore your static blast radius bigger with perks and addons, so there shouldn't be to much of a difference to how it was.

The biggest drawback of the static field was that it required you to walk with 110% movement speed, which hurt on bigger maps, while builds based around the static field worked really well on small maps.

So I think they made his tracking abililty more consistent and reliable, so the cooldown is fair (and you can use addons to make it shorter).

Yes snapping out of it takes you back to Tier 1 but it's the only way to lose madness now, it doesn't decrease outside of terror radius so those changes should balance eachother out.

Yes, the grab is gone and I can understand that you are upset about it because it was a nice little thing that most survivor didn't expect, but it's gone because you don't have to switch anymore and I'm happy about it, but I get that that's a personal preference (but there also were bugs with the switching so those are gone now too.) Did you use the grab offen in a situation that didn't included the hook? Because imo that was the situation where it was the most useful. That is gone now but you can spam your shock to deny the unhook, obv not as good as direct grab but you still don't have to let them unhook for free. Also dedicated servers "nerfed" grabs anyway, so you lost something that wasn't working sometimes anyway.

I don't get you last point. Static blast and static field both are as big as the terror radius and could both be influenced with perks and addons, so I don't see the difference.

A few points that you didn't mentioned:

- they buffed iridescent king

- they buffed his basekit a little with giving him reversed skillchecks

- they removed the downside of the range addons

- and I personally like the new discipline addons and I think they are really good

So in general I think they changed many things, some are more a buff, some a more a nerf, but the end result is good and I like it more than the old Doc. Obv personal opinions are important and it's possible that they removed something that you really liked and you are understand able upset about it, but calling the changes a straight up nerf seems exaggerated to me.

Is it possible, that you just really liked the old Doc and don't want to see the good aspects of the change? (For example most of the community wanted a rework for Freddy and his killrates are pretty high now so apparently his rework made him stronger but there are still people who prefered the old Freddy and say, he wasn't as bad as people believed.)

To add a little personal anectode: The last changes to Doc were two months ago but I'm still facing far more Docs than I did before they changed him so it seems like his rework has increased his popularity.

Call it whatever you want dude idgaf. If they don't want people to dc then they should just remove the option entirely. I'm guessing they never wil because if they did I'm guessing a lot of people would just quit this game altogether.

Doc’s Power slows him down, you also have a sound notification when it’s charging, it also has a very small shock radius.

dodging is part of the mind game.

Holding down W on the keyboard won’t win you chases against him

Irisdescent King was buffed in other ways and restraint was made consistent on every class, so these changes don't seem to bad to me.

But the fact, that the grab was the only thing you reacted to from my wall of text makes me thing that I may be correct about you being in a Freddy situation:

You found a way to make doctor work really good for you and that's cool, just like some people made old Freddy work really well for them. But I don't think that the majority used the grab as effective as you did (I can't remember even one moment where a Doc grabed me in treatment), his kill stats were bad/mediocre, his pick rate was low in red ranks and most people placed him low on tier lists. Same with old Freddy, after his rework he was a "better Killer" (indicated by his kill rate) and was played more, most people were happier with him. But there are still people who prefered old Freddy and want him back.

And I think you are in the same situation: The Devs changed the Doc because many people were unhappy with him and from what I've heard (and seen, like I said, I used to face less Doctors than I do now) people are happy about most of the changes (except for the people who think he is op now but that's a different story). You are not happy because you had your own unique playsyle with him which is gone now, but that doesn't mean it was a nerf overall.

But I guess unless the Devs release stats again in the future we won't know for sure how the changes effected Doc.

he is such a no skill killer he just blasts a area and he can see other survis easily