Simple suggestion for next patch.

Love this idea. There are other benefits that some are not thinking or talking about. One being that with SWF being the unpopular (because just face it, it is the minority here lol) it would free up those pesky survivors that are only toxic and bold with their friends and place them with others that are less familiar with how to work with the team. The majority of survivors are solo and do not have the exp with running the killer. This is coming from a solo rank 1 survivor. I play with people that are streaming and new to the game to help them out.

Just remember, this is just a discussion, not a rule of your entitled survive with friends life. If an option like this is implemented, it will bring a lot of people back as well as get rid of the negative side of the community in this game. And to be honest, that would not be so bad if we lose some toxic, entitled SWF only mains.

GL and HF

@trendyfartknocker said:

@Nickenzie said:
Cool idea but... SWF would have huge queue times since most killers just want a chill game, ya know?

Then the SWF can break up and go solo, or wait. It's silly to suggest that long wait times are frowned upon but forcing unfair circumstances on the killer is A-OK. As it is, killers experience stupid long wait times at higher ranks.

Further, if the SWF group REALLY wants to play together, they can do KYF as an option. If they don't want to do KYF but are adamant about SWF, that tells you they are clearly looking to use the SWF advantage to rank up, something killers have no option to do or counter.

I really disagree with most of what you said. I main killer, but now and then I have friends who I play with. As a killer, I don't see that wanting to play with your friends is toxic. Are their toxic squads out there, sure, but you are talking maybe at most 10% of the SWF teams that are toxic. Most are just 2 friends playing a game together there are very few 4 person teams let alone those which tactfully are there to abuse a killer.

With that said, "WE DON'T NEED MULTIPLE QUEUES" this segregates the game and punishes people for actually wanting to play together. Is it less enjoyable for the killer? Sure. However, there is a greater good that SWF has implemented.

In the first few months, SWF did not exist. I am not sure if you were around for that or not, but let me throw out a description of what had happened. Killer/Survivor would queue up. Solo players would be fine for a while then a lobby would fill. 5 seconds tick by on the clock and someone drops out. Another and another and another. Then more people would drop out until you had to wait for the entire process again.

I am not sure what your current lobby wait times look like, mine as killer are 2-3 minutes maybe more. As a survivor almost instantaneous. Before for both a Survivor queue and a Killer Queue you would be looking at about 10+ minutes. The reason all this happened...People wanted to play with their friends.

All you are doing by "implementing" this solution is punishing people who want to play with their friends.

The other thing you are severely misunderstanding is that most SWF teams don't play KYF for a reason....They don't get bloodpoints. This game is a heavy grind and people want to be rewarded for their time. I would rather solo queue than play KYF.

Your last statement is very selfish and not understanding. Most SWF teams as I said are not toxic and many don't want to use "SWF advantage to rank up" many times it is just 2 people. Sometimes 4 people teams just want to have trust that when they are on the hook their teammates will actually do something instead of letting them die. Sometimes they want to farm some points to work on their grind.

I also think you are putting way to much weight in ranking up. RANK MEANS NOTHING. Ask most Rank 1 players and they are actively depipping to drop rank to play matches, why? OH RIGHT, the queue time is so long. The trials are crap, etc.

This is not a Rank thing it is a "grind" and have fun thing.

TL;DR: This is a terrible idea.

Master said:

@Visionmaker said:
Lmfao. SWF is cheating? The most closest thing that resembles cheating in this game is that killers get to prune exactly who they want to play against. Toxic survivor in the lineup? SWF? Flashlights? Too many toolboxes? Too many of a survivor character you don't like? Survivor with more playtime than you? Survivor you lost to last round? DLC character? Dodge and roll again!

You cannot gather data from games that do not happen. You cannot balance the game when some killers are allowed to and encouraged to self-select match-ups in their favor. You cannot make a player satisfied when they are self-entitled. Killers. Are. Spoiled.

Using a third party program yielding you an ingame advantage is considered cheating according to the TOS.
Are you trying to deny that ts/discord is a 3rd party program or are you believing that voice comms dont grant you an ingame advantage?

I believe the argument many folks are trying to make is that SWF is the majority so we should focus on their wants as they are the largest demographic of Dead by Daylight players. 

Personally I think swf is fine as not everyone plays SWF like Marth88 and his de-pip squad. While I acknowledge that some players play the game like this, this is not the majority. Heck, sometimes I play swf and it usually ends in disaster for me and my buddies.