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Freddy Krueger
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I mostly want him reworked so his power isn't so dependant on survivors falling asleep while not being annoying to the survivors.
After all when you're put to sleep by him you can't stealth him. That just leaves pallet looping in order to beat him. Sure, you can argue that an awake survivor is able to stealth him, but honestly is just tedious trying to stealth a killer you cannot see.
Basically, he's annoying to play as and against.
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No counter to the pallet looping
To easy to exit Dream World
Freddy uses his power because he has to, it doesn't give him any special abilities apart from Aura reading and 50% penalty to any actions.
People well know how to counter him
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And stop survivor actions during transition PLEASE. That 3-7 seconds of free action is ridiculous.2
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Freddy doesnt need a rework, just qol changes. No channeling actions except hook rescues (like madness 3) during dream transition, no self care wake ups. Tracking killers that hinder progress will never be fun for survivors, idk if devs learned that from the doc. Doc is fun to play as and not against.1
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Doc sucksDabrownman1812 said:Freddy doesnt need a rework, just qol changes. No channeling actions except hook rescues (like madness 3) during dream transition, no self care wake ups. Tracking killers that hinder progress will never be fun for survivors, idk if devs learned that from the doc. Doc is fun to play as and not against.0 -
@KiraElijah said:
I think he’s just fine, why do so many people want a buff?The concept of the killer is fine but you need to base power off their default build without add-ons. His power makes you wait 7 seconds to hit a survivor meaning they have a huge chance to escape or heck even wake themselves up while in transition. It also makes his endgame (gates powered) nearly impossible to protect a hook. You can wake people up faster than Freddy can put you too sleep, its ridiculous.
With the current game he just isn't viable beyond matches in the lower ranks or against players just messing around. He does need some sort of buff and I believe they are at least making self-care no longer knock you out of dream state. I would also like to see them revert the change to waking up when healed from a "downed" state.
Not every Killer needs to be Nurse tier but Freddy (like Wraith) need to be viable when you start facing optimal teams.
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I do agree about SC not needing to wake people, as Freddy hitting them doesn’tMegaWaffle said:@KiraElijah said:
I think he’s just fine, why do so many people want a buff?The concept of the killer is fine but you need to base power off their default build without add-ons. His power makes you wait 7 seconds to hit a survivor meaning they have a huge chance to escape or heck even wake themselves up while in transition. It also makes his endgame (gates powered) nearly impossible to protect a hook. You can wake people up faster than Freddy can put you too sleep, its ridiculous.
With the current game he just isn't viable beyond matches in the lower ranks or against players just messing around. He does need some sort of buff and I believe they are at least making self-care no longer knock you out of dream state. I would also like to see them revert the change to waking up when healed from a "downed" state.
Not every Killer needs to be Nurse tier but Freddy (like Wraith) need to be viable when you start facing optimal teams.
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Word, dude said doc is bad which is true, but he gets survivors saltier than any nurse player. When survivors are hindered and can't hide they get salty. I don't get hate mail unless I played clown with gin bottle and pinky finger or as freddy. I play them, pig, nurse. I could thrash survivors with nurse no hate mail, slug with freddy early game and get hate mail. Survivors just hate freddy and doc due to mechanics, not due to strength. I agree not every killer needs to be nurse level, but the spirit should be because she has horrible draw backs that not even the queen herself has while having a weaker power with a higher skillcap. They just need to give freddy the wraith treatment, qol and add kn adjustments. He's an endgame killer so make him an end game beast. Freddy should be juggling often and slugging. Removing his ability to see asleep survivors out of his radius is killing him, and a snowball effect can only happen end game anyway. Be interesting to see the devs take on the rework.MegaWaffle said:@KiraElijah said:
I think he’s just fine, why do so many people want a buff?The concept of the killer is fine but you need to base power off their default build without add-ons. His power makes you wait 7 seconds to hit a survivor meaning they have a huge chance to escape or heck even wake themselves up while in transition. It also makes his endgame (gates powered) nearly impossible to protect a hook. You can wake people up faster than Freddy can put you too sleep, its ridiculous.
With the current game he just isn't viable beyond matches in the lower ranks or against players just messing around. He does need some sort of buff and I believe they are at least making self-care no longer knock you out of dream state. I would also like to see them revert the change to waking up when healed from a "downed" state.
Not every Killer needs to be Nurse tier but Freddy (like Wraith) need to be viable when you start facing optimal teams.
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I get hate mail for Devour Hope and NOEDDabrownman1812 said:
Word, dude said doc is bad which is true, but he gets survivors saltier than any nurse player. When survivors are hindered and can't hide they get salty. I don't get hate mail unless I played clown with gin bottle and pinky finger or as freddy. I play them, pig, nurse. I could thrash survivors with nurse no hate mail, slug with freddy early game and get hate mail. Survivors just hate freddy and doc due to mechanics, not due to strength. I agree not every killer needs to be nurse level, but the spirit should be because she has horrible draw backs that not even the queen herself has while having a weaker power with a higher skillcap. They just need to give freddy the wraith treatment, qol and add kn adjustments. He's an endgame killer so make him an end game beast. Freddy should be juggling often and slugging. Removing his ability to see asleep survivors out of his radius is killing him, and a snowball effect can only happen end game anyway. Be interesting to see the devs take on the rework.MegaWaffle said:@KiraElijah said:
I think he’s just fine, why do so many people want a buff?The concept of the killer is fine but you need to base power off their default build without add-ons. His power makes you wait 7 seconds to hit a survivor meaning they have a huge chance to escape or heck even wake themselves up while in transition. It also makes his endgame (gates powered) nearly impossible to protect a hook. You can wake people up faster than Freddy can put you too sleep, its ridiculous.
With the current game he just isn't viable beyond matches in the lower ranks or against players just messing around. He does need some sort of buff and I believe they are at least making self-care no longer knock you out of dream state. I would also like to see them revert the change to waking up when healed from a "downed" state.
Not every Killer needs to be Nurse tier but Freddy (like Wraith) need to be viable when you start facing optimal teams.
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Imagine if every survivor got a free dead hard that lasted 7 seconds multiple times in the round. Welcome to Freddy's world.
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@MegaWaffle said:
His power makes you wait 7 seconds to hit a survivor meaning they have a huge chance to escape or heck even wake themselves up while in transition.People keep pointing to this 7 seconds thing and say that's why is he bad. But a lot of the time you can be right on top of them at the end of 7 seconds and hit them. Yes it sucks when someone does a gen or totem in your face, I won't deny that, but if you sleep them and they run it's pretty easy to mindgame them (or just follow them) and land the hit as they fall asleep. Compared to other killers that's similar to a survivor seeing you and running before you get there, then you chase them for a few seconds (maybe 7...) and hit them.
What his power needs is the ability to knock you out of doing actions, like Doc's power. If he could do that then he can keep pressure on you and survivors will treat the transition like the start of a chase, at which point he'd be the same as any other killer as I lay out above.
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I think Freddy's aura reading while survivors are distanced from him should have a time limit or some limit1
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@thesuicidefox said:
@MegaWaffle said:
His power makes you wait 7 seconds to hit a survivor meaning they have a huge chance to escape or heck even wake themselves up while in transition.People keep pointing to this 7 seconds thing and say that's why is he bad. But a lot of the time you can be right on top of them at the end of 7 seconds and hit them. Yes it sucks when someone does a gen or totem in your face, I won't deny that, but if you sleep them and they run it's pretty easy to mindgame them (or just follow them) and land the hit as they fall asleep. Compared to other killers that's similar to a survivor seeing you and running before you get there, then you chase them for a few seconds (maybe 7...) and hit them.
What his power needs is the ability to knock you out of doing actions, like Doc's power. If he could do that then he can keep pressure on you and survivors will treat the transition like the start of a chase, at which point he'd be the same as any other killer as I lay out above.
I agree it can be easy to "mindgame" during the 7 second transition however with his base power with no add-ons you can see where Freddy is and can position yourself accordingly to not be in danger (or at least provide an escape rout) for the 7 seconds.
As for having survivors run away with other killers if they see you this still puts Freddy at a disadvantage in most cases. If I see a Trapper heading my way from a distance I will hide or run depending on line of sight, if I hear a Freddy nearby I will hide or run depending on where I guess he might be. However even if my hide is a fail against the Freddy and he finds me I still have 7 seconds to get to a pallet/window or at least get someplace with a better loop spot then my current location. If my attempt to hide from that Trapper was a fail I'm taking that machete to the face without a 7 second delay.
Since all killers are nearly identical in their basic mechanical function and its the power that decides their overall strength Freddy's major weakness IS his power.
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Soooo did i miss something or why do survivors suddenly all think that Freddy is fine?
Ahh yes, because the devs plan to rework him. So in order to avoid it, that the weakest killer gets some love, threads like this one spawn to avoid getting him buffed. You sure seem to enjoy Nurse only on high ranks.1 -
NoHuN7r3sS said:I think Freddy's aura reading while survivors are distanced from him should have a time limit or some limit0 -
I play freddy... don’t call me a survivor. The pallet abuse is realTsulan said:Soooo did i miss something or why do survivors suddenly all think that Freddy is fine?
Ahh yes, because the devs plan to rework him. So in order to avoid it, that the weakest killer gets some love, threads like this one spawn to avoid getting him buffed. You sure seem to enjoy Nurse only on high ranks.0 -
So do I. Reached rank 1 with him. I still think he's the weakest killer.KiraElijah said:
I play freddy... don’t call me a survivor. The pallet abuse is realTsulan said:Soooo did i miss something or why do survivors suddenly all think that Freddy is fine?
Ahh yes, because the devs plan to rework him. So in order to avoid it, that the weakest killer gets some love, threads like this one spawn to avoid getting him buffed. You sure seem to enjoy Nurse only on high ranks.0
