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Killer is also frustrating because...

Ellis
Ellis Member Posts: 15
in General Discussions

I want people to have fun, but I also want to win, that's when I have fun, I understand that some people just have fun by playing. But as a killer, if I'm not winning, I'm not having fun. And sometimes winning means tunneling and or camping, but I don't want to ruin people's fun either. And that's frustrating.

I had the perfect example this last evening. I was playing Trapper at rank 1, on Wreckers' Yard, I just put a Claudette in the basement at the start of the game. I placed my traps, go away, and Nea instantly disarms them, so I go back and she starts looping me right on top of the basement. So I'm technically camping, Bill goes in the basement while I'm still here and unhook the Claudette.
So at this point, if I want to win and if I want to punish Nea's mistake, which I want, I should tunnel the Claudette. That's what you're supposed to do in PvP game, punish people's mistakes. So I down her, and put her back on a hook. I go find a gen and find the Feng Min who get hits and instantly run to unhook the Claudette. At this point we're around 1 or 2 minutes into the game. Same scenario, I punish the Feng Min's mistake, unhooking right in front of me and wipe the Claudette out of the game.

And this is super frustrating, because I know I completly ruined Claudette's game and that wasn't of her doing at all. And that's even more frustrating because she didn't have a say in all of this, it was because of Feng Min and Nea's faults. Yet they didn't get really punished, in the end the Claudette got like 1-2k points, depipped, while the Nea probably pipped and Feng Min safety or pipped. And adding all the boring looping you get as a M1 killer, the DS, etc. The empathy for other players might be the worst for me because it makes me feel like a douchebag when in reality I'm really just doing what I'm supposed to do, I'm trying to win.

But in the end the Claudette insulted me as always, so I didn't really feel bad after all. But that doesn't change the fact that I feel bad when this happens.

TLDR; I'm frustrated because punishing other people's mistakes gives me the role of the scumbag when I'm just taking advantage of their mistakes.

Comments

  • Milo
    Milo Member Posts: 7,384

    @Ellis hit the unhooker if you feel bad for tunneling?

  • Silas
    Silas Member Posts: 307

    It is what it is. Don't feel bad for doing what you need to do to win. Why would you leave her to be healed when her teammates are making her an easy sacrifice? Not your fault and definitely not your problem. (:

  • Delfador
    Delfador Member Posts: 2,552

    @Milo said:
    @Ellis hit the unhooker if you feel bad for tunneling?

    Then he will miss the chance to remove somebody from the game.

    In the last youtube question session I have asked a question and they got me wrong. What I asked was this.

    I generally play survivor and tunneling is very frustrating for me. So when I play as a killer, I deliberately try to avoid tunneling but hooking different survivors rather than focusing on a single survivor and eliminating him from the match doesn't feel rewarding. Do you have any plan to reward killers who do not camp and tunnel?

    Their answer to me was that they didn't want to punish camping or tunneling, for which I didn't even ask a nerf btw.

    So basically he can hit the unhooker but still, he has to chase him and down him while the unhooked survivor can still repair generators. At the end, another survivor will save the hooked survivor again and you need to chase the unhooker if you want to be a nice guy. Repeat it 12 times to win which is really difficult if you don't play top tier killers.

    Survivors think that killers are pure evil and they camp and tunnel because they want to drain their fun. Although I accept that there are people like that, most of the killers don't want to do that just like the OP but nothing in this game benefits the killer more than eliminating somebody early.

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  • Nightmare247
    Nightmare247 Member Posts: 187

    There is a very fine balance. I know survivors will complain you are tunneling, however, if you are in an active chase and they are chasing you in or around the hook area/environment that is on them. That is the survivor being a crappy teammate and not making the choice to lead you away. HOWEVER, if they lead you away and you stop mid-chase, turn around and go back to the hook, then you are soft camping.

    As others have stated attack the individual who unhooked the survivor. This way it "punishes" the survivor without tunneling. I normally do this and rarely get any complaints. Now, this changes a bit from game to game, if the individual is stupid and runs back across me after I targeted someone else, all bets are off injured or not. It also changes if the team is being toxic. Flashlights every time I pick someone up, teabagging behind pallets, in plain sight etc. They are out to try to make me salty so I turn the tables.

    Lastly, after generators are completed if I don't have 2 kills I will secure kills by either camping or chasing others off. That is truly late game and just to get some extra points.

  • MisterCremaster
    MisterCremaster Member Posts: 614

    What this game needs is more variety for the survivors. Killers - you're job is to kill. Each one is pretty different, and changes the dynamic of the match, but ultimately - Hook them survivors and kill them.

    If every survivor at a certain rank wasn't effectively the SAME survivor, and you couldn't double up, it'd be a more interesting game for everyone involved. If Claudette was the best healer, Nea the best at distraction, Jake the best engineer, etc - then you'd get more variety in how the game is played. DS wouldn't be a problem if only ONE survivor actually had, and you knew who they were. Toolboxes, medkits, etc would actually matter if only cloudette could selfheal.

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  • MisterCremaster
    MisterCremaster Member Posts: 614

    Also, when will people learn that CAMPING is not toxic. If someone is camping, go do gens. You, on the hook, just wait it out, hammer the struggle button (you do get a decent amount of blood points for this) and punish the killer for camping. Teammates - don't be stupid - see the camper and go do gens.

    I don't think looping is really all that problematic either. Often times, its loop or die. If more maps had better places to hide, then we wouldn't have to loop. Or, as I state in my post above, there was a survivor who was supposed to be able to outmaneuver the killer more easily, then people could pick him and killers would have to make a decision.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    After ages of playing in a toxic environment, my skin is so thick now that I couldnt care less.
    Survivor unhooks their mates in front of me? Thanks and there is no way I go for the unhooker :lol:

    Do whatever you have to do, slugg, camp tunnel.

  • holywhitetrash
    holywhitetrash Member Posts: 289

    @Ellis said:

    TLDR; I'm frustrated because punishing other people's mistakes gives me the role of the scumbag when I'm just taking advantage of their mistakes.

    this is a versus game so what makes one side win and have fun usually makes the other side lose and have less fun.
    so just dont think about how the other team feels

    side note survivors have pretty short queue times if you get in game and kill someone in the first 3 minutes they will probably be in another game before you finish that game

  • Milo
    Milo Member Posts: 7,384

    @Delfador said:

    @Milo said:
    @Ellis hit the unhooker if you feel bad for tunneling?

    Then he will miss the chance to remove somebody from the game.

    In the last youtube question session I have asked a question and they got me wrong. What I asked was this.

    I generally play survivor and tunneling is very frustrating for me. So when I play as a killer, I deliberately try to avoid tunneling but hooking different survivors rather than focusing on a single survivor and eliminating him from the match doesn't feel rewarding. Do you have any plan to reward killers who do not camp and tunnel?

    Their answer to me was that they didn't want to punish camping or tunneling, for which I didn't even ask a nerf btw.

    So basically he can hit the unhooker but still, he has to chase him and down him while the unhooked survivor can still repair generators. At the end, another survivor will save the hooked survivor again and you need to chase the unhooker if you want to be a nice guy. Repeat it 12 times to win which is really difficult if you don't play top tier killers.

    Survivors think that killers are pure evil and they camp and tunnel because they want to drain their fun. Although I accept that there are people like that, most of the killers don't want to do that just like the OP but nothing in this game benefits the killer more than eliminating somebody early.

    This is why i said if he feels bads for tunneling. You can do whatever you want in this game

  • Ihatelife
    Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069

    Playing as the killer was and it will be very frustrating