new player here. I feel punished playing this game.
So i am fairly new at this game. and almost instantly fell in love with it as i have put too much time into it already... but there's something i really don't like about the game and that's this game's Point and ranking system. but its not that if i die fast, I lose a bip.. I am fine with that. if i do die fast i ######### up... And that's fine.
How ever when ever I do really good.. I get 3 gold Medals and i do really well and i focus on Objectives, focus on rescueing people and focus on surviving and helping my team survive.. I get 0-1 Bip, even if you survive...
If i survive a game, doing the objective and rescuing friends from being on the hook I should not be 0 bipped.. this is not how it should work.. when i take Objectives ALL over the map and get 2-3 generators with COOP and some cases and some Saves i shouldnt just get 1 bip, i should get 1 bip.. If we survive and maybe 2+ people survive that should be a BIP..
This game Punish people That play the game the way it was originally intended. And it rewards players that Lose the game on purpose.. because if you rush in and you do stupid saves and your team Goes down... It doesnt matter if you Kill all 3 of your team mates by doing this, but if you save them ALL over and over, guess what you get a bip... and since your close to the killer, you get chase points and points in general.
The main objective of the game is Generators. Without anyone doing them, the guy looping the killer won't get out alive.. But when you focus on the MAIN objective of the game and you stay stealthy and you get 2-3 Generators and 0-1 saves because everyone on your team tried to save the hooked people.. you BARELY and sometimes DON'T Bip even when the Game you played is as perfect of a game that the game tells you that its intended to play...
Stealth points and "being in the Zone" of the killer should get boost in points. The fact that you need 4 perfect medals to even BIP is so stupid... Sure tell me what i can do better, But don't tell me I don't deserve a BIP because i had 3 Red medals and 1 Silver medal because the killer did NOT have to chase me as much...
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From someone who just started playing a few months ago, I'd say quit worrying about points and pips, and even surviving. What I love most about this game, maddening as potato teammates and toxic killers can be, is to see how I have learned and progressed. I've become good at gens and learning to rush to a hooked survivor when a killer is busy with someone else. But the worst part for me was escaping a chase. As I've gotten slightly better at this, the greatest thrill for me was when killers give up and go to something else. It means I am making progress in my own abilities. I still die more often than not, but I don't get all bunched up about it anymore. I enjoy them game, just maybe not the post game human aspects. Don't give up!
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It sounds like you need to work on your game sense and strategy. This game can be related to chess in that you have multiple "moves" to make at any given time as does your opponent. If they are doing X, you should be doing Y. If your teammate is doing X, you should be doing Y.
Knowing what your best play is in any given scenario is what will help you rank up. You can get rank 1 and be terrible at chases just because you play frequently and have good game sense.
You know what gives you more points, just use that knowledge to your advantage.
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Also, stealth and subterfuge is rewarded via losing the killer in a chase resulting in more bold points for you. Other than that, always playing stealthy simply puts more pressure on your teammates.
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Matchmaking and ranking is definitely elaborate in this game but also not very well thought out, plus bugs in the programming itself that screw it up.
I just focus on getting bloodpoints and trying to play the game as it was intended to be played.
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getting one safe unhook will pretty much make you black pip btw (just encase that happens). other than that ranking isnt too hard, the only bonus to ranking is slightly faster as the lower ranks are where most people sit due to the easy pipping and honestly if youre new dont focus on pipping. however if you want to pip you need to do gens, get "safe" unhooks and lead on a chase, leading on a chase is what takes most skill within this game and it rewards you for doing so, after all while sneaking isnt a bad thing sneaking doesnt keep the killer busy like a chase does, when a killer is in a chase the other survivors do everything else. i seriously would advice learning how to lead on chases, i see way too many player that hit red ranks but really struggle to lead on chases and this is due to them pipping from unhooks which is the easiest category to get up.
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What it comes down to is how you view the game over what it is. Multiplayer games always evolve overtime as the player base find strats and ways to make the role they play easier.
DBD isn't really about stealth even if it is viable its more about forcing interaction between the two sides. By all means play stealthy but it will generally wield less points.
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Don't focus too much on ranking and pips. All that stuff is going away anyway. Just play the game to have fun.
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Personally I don't give a crap about pips and emblems. Matchmaking is screwed up at the moment so ranks don't even matter. You should just focus on having fun and getting better at the game.
I know a lot of new players like playing super stealthy (I did as well when I started) but if you're constantly avoiding the killer, then you won't improve in chases. You'll also put a lot of pressure on other teammates, especially if they're on death hook while you haven't been hooked once. I would look up some guides on youtube on how to loop tiles and other map structures so you can be more confident in chases.
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First of all, no, somebody just running in and farming their team mates will not "bip" because if they're not doing safe unhooks then they lose points. Second, you shouldn't even be focused on ranking up anyway. Focus on actually playing well and having fun. Ranks seriously do not matter at all, and I know it's weird for a newer player coming from other games with ranking to understand, but rank just represents playtime more than anything. I've seen plenty of rank 1s that play like a rank 18 should, and plenty of rank 18s that play like a rank 1 should. The only real use for raising your rank is to get the achievement for it.
Anyway, besides that, I do agree that just being in the killer's terror radius/stealth points should be increased, because to me it's laughable when I spend like 45 seconds in the killer's terror radius avoiding him and then I get like 70 points for it. Not a huge boost, but something that will actually make it feel like those points you get for stealthing actually exist. I'm glad you actually acknowledge that it's fine to be punished for messing up in the game, a lot of players are really bad about that. But seriously, don't be concerned that you get punished in your rank, because that really doesn't matter, and if you learn to play really well anyway, your rank will naturally rise (if that really concerns you that much).
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First of all i want to mention that i am not defending the ranking system at all, i just want to explain it to you really quick.
The ranking system is more or less a "entertaining system" for the Entity (check the lore for more informations on Entity). Fast and quick games like killer gets everyone fast before gens get done or survivor just rush games are NOT rewarded with a lot of bloodpoints and pips. The best way to rank up (and to get more Bloodpoints btw) is to have long games where a lot happens.
Now jump into the ranking system itself for survivor.
Survivor have 4 categories, so called emblems:
- Lightbringer (repair gens)
- Unbroken (stay alive / dont go down)
- Benevolent (help teammates)
- Evader (avoid or run the killer)
For every emblem there are serveral qualitys which give you points:
- No Embleme (0 points in this category)
- Bronze (1 point)
- Silver (2 points)
- Gold (3 points)
- Iridescent (4 points)
After every game, the system adds up all points you earn for every category. Lets say you have Iridescent in "Lightbringer" (4pts), silver in Unbroken (2 points), Gold in Benevolent (3 points) and Bronze in Evader (1 point) you would gained 10 points in total.
These 10 points will give you a pip or not, depending on which rank you are. For example you need 13 points to get +1 if you are in red ranks, so there you would not gain any pip. But if you are in Yelow ranks, you would get +1, because there 10 points are enough to get the pip.
Last but not least, lets talk about how much you have to do in every category to get which quality of emblem. Keep in mind that rank does not effect this at all, rank is only relevant at the end on how many points you gained. Its not harder to get more points but you just need more points to rnak up in better ranks.
Lightbringer: This is mainly generators, but also totems. You also get points for long chases for passiv progress (your teammates do gens and you run the killer - you also get 1/3 of the points the got). A fully done gen by your own gives you 100 points.
To get the best embleme, you have to do 2,7 generators. Gold = 1,9. Silver 1,0 and the rest i dont know :)
Unbroken: If you leave the game without beeing downed a single time, you get Iridescent autmatically. It is also the only way to get iridescent on that category. Ifyou get only downed a single time, you can only make gold, not better, no matter what happens. Otherwise it depends on how long you are alive. If you die within the first 5 minutes, you get no embleme, from there on the longer you stay alive, thebetter your emblem becomes.
Benevolent: It is a bit tricky. You gain points if you unhook a survivor, but you loose points if you dont do safe unhooks (survivior gets downed within 10 seconds after the unhook). So when someone is "farming" a sruvivor of the hook, the only gets bloodpoints, but he is also loosing ranking points the same time. To get the best embleme, you need 3 safe unhooks. But also 2 safe unhooks and tanking a hit for your teammate is good enough to get Iri.
Evader: There are 2 possibliltys to get points. Staying hidden when the killer is close or running away from the killer for a long time. The longer you can escape the killer during a chase or you can stay hidden, the more points you get. The closer the killer is to you, the more points you also get. Per second it is 1 points, but if the killer is very close, this could be even 6 points per second. You loose points if you get hit. Usually, if you run or hide from the the killer fo 3-4 minutes, Iridescent is very likely.
I hope this helps you to understand why the system works how it does. Again, i am not defending it, but thats the way it goes. Good luck and have fun.
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Sounds like you need to work on pip skills. Even a potato like me who can't loop, screws up skill checks constantly like the total nub I am still pips even in complete trainwreck games. If you really want to pip I'd recommend reading the aftergame emblem reports. They'll tell you everything that affected your score ao you know what to focus on to pip. You can get 4 irridescent emblems without ever being in a chase or even completing a gen if you know what the game considers important for the emblem and get its arbitrary points. Mostly it comes down to a balance between gens and altruism. Hiding can also generally get you a higher evader score than chases will especially as a newbie. The only emblem that requires you to survive is the survival emblem itself and its not needed to pip.
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DbD is a punishing game; nearly every meaningful event in the game is driven by players, and that means there's no quick onboarding process that takes you by the hand. But that is what makes it so rewarding over time. As you learn and get better at the game, it gets to be more fun because you know you've earned every bit of it.
Having said that, we also try to make design decisions that facilitate learning wherever we can. For example, the Status Effect notifications help new players understand when there something is affecting their play.
As you can see from other responses in this thread, there are a lot of players who are happy to help with hints and tips. :)
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It's pip, my dude, not bip.
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Do not worry about ranks
the lower your rank the more fun you will have trust me
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Don't worry about ranks yet, I didn't even consider them until 1 year after joining.
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i just dont like the grind as a new player
its basically telling me either buy something or enjoy playing the same ######### for WEEKS
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Thanks for the tips and hints guys.. I am currently on my way to rank 4 so I am getting along. but all the tips and hints here definitively helped. still a frustrating game and i think that's why i like it so much.
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Glad to hear you're moving up! Always nice to hear somebody finding success and enjoying themselves.
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