Loving this noob wraith

When I get upset at the game, I just stop playing after that match and go play Fallout or rewatch the Red Dead Redemption 2 gameplay trailer again. Its never good to message and harass somebody for not playing your way.

@Tsulan said:
Then for the love of god, play killer.
There you can proof how good you are, by taking less time to catch a survivor and by not camping that poor fella.

Don't forget to tell us about your experience once you hit red ranks.

That's why i can't take killers seriously. Because they will just justify any cancerous gameplay for lame excuses, Double standards.

@No_Cluie_Louis said:

@SoulKey said:

@Tsulan said:
Then for the love of god, play killer.
There you can proof how good you are, by taking less time to catch a survivor and by not camping that poor fella.

Don't forget to tell us about your experience once you hit red ranks.

That's why i can't take killers seriously. Because they will just justify any cancerous gameplay for lame excuses, Double standards.

Exactly, there's always some reason killers a right and survivors are wrong. I get some survivors are toxic but baby killers need to stop using a few people as an excuse to play toxic against everyone

True, They will always assume something. Oh you must have been T-bagging, using a flashlight, running DS....whatever excuse to just justify a face camp or whatever cancer gameplay killers do.

Wraith and Pig players are the typical face camping killers. I had a Wraith who caught somebody (with five gens left by the way) and put them in the basement and they had Insidious. Not what I like to go against but I’m not gonna say they were wrong in doing so...it’s a scummy way to play but they aren’t breaking any rules. Yesterday I had a STUPID Claudette farm me every time I got hooked and the Hag tunneled me like an ass. I blamed Claudette more than the Hag but it’s still scummy to target the same person who is obviously being farmed. I spectated and told my friend not to save the Claudette and she sat there at rot on the hook and she died. I cannot stand farmers, it’s usually your own teammates. Those are just some examples. People will defend killers and claim they aren’t being toxic but the moment as survivors hits DS or blinds a killer they are toxic and deserve to be face camped. Entitled killer mains are all around. With facecamping and entitled killer mains you can’t argue, they aren’t breaking any rules. Scummy way to play? Yes, but not worth your breath. Either let yourself die on the hook or DC, not that hard to do

@No_Cluie_Louis said:

@MegMain98 said:
Wraith and Pig players are the typical face camping killers. I had a Wraith who caught somebody (with five gens left by the way) and put them in the basement and they had Insidious. Not what I like to go against but I’m not gonna say they were wrong in doing so...it’s a scummy way to play but they aren’t breaking any rules. Yesterday I had a STUPID Claudette farm me every time I got hooked and the Hag tunneled me like an ass. I blamed Claudette more than the Hag but it’s still scummy to target the same person who is obviously being farmed. I spectated and told my friend not to save the Claudette and she sat there at rot on the hook and she died. I cannot stand farmers, it’s usually your own teammates. Those are just some examples. People will defend killers and claim they aren’t being toxic but the moment as survivors hits DS or blinds a killer they are toxic and deserve to be face camped. Entitled killer mains are all around. With facecamping and entitled killer mains you can’t argue, they aren’t breaking any rules. Scummy way to play? Yes, but not worth your breath. Either let yourself die on the hook or DC, not that hard to do

People say the survivors are the cause of our communities community but what you said about covers it. Sure the survivors are partly to blame, but all the scummy entitled killers will label anything as toxic and play as toxic as possible in reply. They keep crying DS and flashlight but really, the killer can choose mid game wether to be toxic mid game or not, but survivors are stuck with he load out they joined the game with. The killers can't be bullied because they always have the upper hand. They can decide to face camp toxic players and not to camp fair ones. They get the choice, and survivors have to accept i, so how are they the ones who are ruining the community.

Oh man... where do i start...
Killers don´t have the upper hand. They never had and probably never will. Killers can be easily bullied by survivors. Face camping doesn´t exist anymore. It was removed back in october, but survivors love the word, so now everything is called face camping.

Anything the killer does now is considered toxic by survivors. Survivors ran out of excuses to be toxic. So now they blame the killer. It´s the killers fault that they equipped DS. It´s the killers fault that they last second switched to flashlights. It´s the killers fault that he camps, when 3 survivors are camping the hook like a pack of hungry wolves. It´s the killers fault when they don´t get their ez escape.

Also, survivors can find flashlights in chests or get them from other survivors.

@MegMain98 said:

@Tsulan said:

@No_Cluie_Louis said:

@MegMain98 said:
Wraith and Pig players are the typical face camping killers. I had a Wraith who caught somebody (with five gens left by the way) and put them in the basement and they had Insidious. Not what I like to go against but I’m not gonna say they were wrong in doing so...it’s a scummy way to play but they aren’t breaking any rules. Yesterday I had a STUPID Claudette farm me every time I got hooked and the Hag tunneled me like an ass. I blamed Claudette more than the Hag but it’s still scummy to target the same person who is obviously being farmed. I spectated and told my friend not to save the Claudette and she sat there at rot on the hook and she died. I cannot stand farmers, it’s usually your own teammates. Those are just some examples. People will defend killers and claim they aren’t being toxic but the moment as survivors hits DS or blinds a killer they are toxic and deserve to be face camped. Entitled killer mains are all around. With facecamping and entitled killer mains you can’t argue, they aren’t breaking any rules. Scummy way to play? Yes, but not worth your breath. Either let yourself die on the hook or DC, not that hard to do

People say the survivors are the cause of our communities community but what you said about covers it. Sure the survivors are partly to blame, but all the scummy entitled killers will label anything as toxic and play as toxic as possible in reply. They keep crying DS and flashlight but really, the killer can choose mid game wether to be toxic mid game or not, but survivors are stuck with he load out they joined the game with. The killers can't be bullied because they always have the upper hand. They can decide to face camp toxic players and not to camp fair ones. They get the choice, and survivors have to accept i, so how are they the ones who are ruining the community.

Oh man... where do i start...
Killers don´t have the upper hand. They never had and probably never will. Killers can be easily bullied by survivors. Face camping doesn´t exist anymore. It was removed back in october, but survivors love the word, so now everything is called face camping.

Anything the killer does now is considered toxic by survivors. Survivors ran out of excuses to be toxic. So now they blame the killer. It´s the killers fault that they equipped DS. It´s the killers fault that they last second switched to flashlights. It´s the killers fault that he camps, when 3 survivors are camping the hook like a pack of hungry wolves. It´s the killers fault when they don´t get their ez escape.

Also, survivors can find flashlights in chests or get them from other survivors.

BOTH sides can be toxic and that’s what you aren’t realizing. Of course survivors can be toxic but blinding to save a teammate or hitting decisive is NOT toxic unless they CONTINUE to blind you at every pallet, teabag, and be unsportsmanlike. If you really hate flashlights and decisive then run enduring and lightborn...other than that I don’t know what to tell you. In all my games I run into flashlighting teammates only about 1 out of every 10 games.

Killers on the other hand that will target ONE survivor and facecamp with five gens still up (especially Leatherface reving his chainsaw in your face) can be considered to be pretty toxic. Facecamping exists still, but it has a counter which is the hook swivel. You can still look a survivor in the eye and be facecamping, it is a legit strategy...a bad one, still a strategy though. Just doesn’t make much sense to camp when five gens are up then whine and complain when they get gen-rushed.

Maybe instead of crying for survivor nerfs, learn how to work around it...a coordinated group of SWF will always give you a run for your money. I don’t get mad because it is a video game, both sides want to win and the more skilled side will more than likely win whether it is asymmetrical or not. Sometimes the side that plays dirty wins whether it be an Insidious basment Leatherface or a flashlight SWF group.

Of course both sides can be toxic. But i almost only see toxic survivors. Hell they are even toxic to their own teammates, when something goes wrong. No, not every survivor is toxic. But there sure are enough of them, where 1 is rank 20 and the rest is in red ranks. Those don´t play just to escape. Those play to be as toxic as possible.

I keep hearing those horror stories of face camping leatherfaces that camp you with 5 gens. But i´ve never seen one. I played almost exclusivly survivor for the last 2 months. I had maybe 2 toxic killers. But no face camping monsters you seem to encounter every match. But then again, i wouldn´t loop a leatherface around a basement.

There is no working around it btw. Killer can´t be at 4 places at the same time. If he chases 1 survivor, the other ones can do gens. If he switches target, the first one goes back to a gen. The ONLY way around it, would be to play highly mobile killers like Billy or Nurse all the time. and even then, survivors can gen rush you.

@MegMain98 said:

@Tsulan said:

@MegMain98 said:

@Tsulan said:

@No_Cluie_Louis said:

@MegMain98 said:
Wraith and Pig players are the typical face camping killers. I had a Wraith who caught somebody (with five gens left by the way) and put them in the basement and they had Insidious. Not what I like to go against but I’m not gonna say they were wrong in doing so...it’s a scummy way to play but they aren’t breaking any rules. Yesterday I had a STUPID Claudette farm me every time I got hooked and the Hag tunneled me like an ass. I blamed Claudette more than the Hag but it’s still scummy to target the same person who is obviously being farmed. I spectated and told my friend not to save the Claudette and she sat there at rot on the hook and she died. I cannot stand farmers, it’s usually your own teammates. Those are just some examples. People will defend killers and claim they aren’t being toxic but the moment as survivors hits DS or blinds a killer they are toxic and deserve to be face camped. Entitled killer mains are all around. With facecamping and entitled killer mains you can’t argue, they aren’t breaking any rules. Scummy way to play? Yes, but not worth your breath. Either let yourself die on the hook or DC, not that hard to do

People say the survivors are the cause of our communities community but what you said about covers it. Sure the survivors are partly to blame, but all the scummy entitled killers will label anything as toxic and play as toxic as possible in reply. They keep crying DS and flashlight but really, the killer can choose mid game wether to be toxic mid game or not, but survivors are stuck with he load out they joined the game with. The killers can't be bullied because they always have the upper hand. They can decide to face camp toxic players and not to camp fair ones. They get the choice, and survivors have to accept i, so how are they the ones who are ruining the community.

Oh man... where do i start...
Killers don´t have the upper hand. They never had and probably never will. Killers can be easily bullied by survivors. Face camping doesn´t exist anymore. It was removed back in october, but survivors love the word, so now everything is called face camping.

Anything the killer does now is considered toxic by survivors. Survivors ran out of excuses to be toxic. So now they blame the killer. It´s the killers fault that they equipped DS. It´s the killers fault that they last second switched to flashlights. It´s the killers fault that he camps, when 3 survivors are camping the hook like a pack of hungry wolves. It´s the killers fault when they don´t get their ez escape.

Also, survivors can find flashlights in chests or get them from other survivors.

BOTH sides can be toxic and that’s what you aren’t realizing. Of course survivors can be toxic but blinding to save a teammate or hitting decisive is NOT toxic unless they CONTINUE to blind you at every pallet, teabag, and be unsportsmanlike. If you really hate flashlights and decisive then run enduring and lightborn...other than that I don’t know what to tell you. In all my games I run into flashlighting teammates only about 1 out of every 10 games.

Killers on the other hand that will target ONE survivor and facecamp with five gens still up (especially Leatherface reving his chainsaw in your face) can be considered to be pretty toxic. Facecamping exists still, but it has a counter which is the hook swivel. You can still look a survivor in the eye and be facecamping, it is a legit strategy...a bad one, still a strategy though. Just doesn’t make much sense to camp when five gens are up then whine and complain when they get gen-rushed.

Maybe instead of crying for survivor nerfs, learn how to work around it...a coordinated group of SWF will always give you a run for your money. I don’t get mad because it is a video game, both sides want to win and the more skilled side will more than likely win whether it is asymmetrical or not. Sometimes the side that plays dirty wins whether it be an Insidious basment Leatherface or a flashlight SWF group.

Of course both sides can be toxic. But i almost only see toxic survivors. Hell they are even toxic to their own teammates, when something goes wrong. No, not every survivor is toxic. But there sure are enough of them, where 1 is rank 20 and the rest is in red ranks. Those don´t play just to escape. Those play to be as toxic as possible.

I keep hearing those horror stories of face camping leatherfaces that camp you with 5 gens. But i´ve never seen one. I played almost exclusivly survivor for the last 2 months. I had maybe 2 toxic killers. But no face camping monsters you seem to encounter every match. But then again, i wouldn´t loop a leatherface around a basement.

There is no working around it btw. Killer can´t be at 4 places at the same time. If he chases 1 survivor, the other ones can do gens. If he switches target, the first one goes back to a gen. The ONLY way around it, would be to play highly mobile killers like Billy or Nurse all the time. and even then, survivors can gen rush you.

In my own experience, a lot of Leatherface players play like an absolute forehead and will have the mindset of “tunnel, tunnel, tunnel.” Then get gen rushed when they finally get that one survivor down and realize there is only one generator left then they start to camp because they want to ensure a kill then at the end of the screen everybody gets more points than Leatherface did. I rarely have any good encounters with Leatherface players.

I’ll never attempt to loop a Leatherface near the basement by the way, but when he has agitation and iron grasp sometimes you are going im that basement no matter what.

Survivors are very powerful at keeping the killer distracted but very weak in breaking line of sight and stopping chases which is why you see people looping killer and not playing stealthy.

I dunno about only Nurse and Billy. I honestly feel as though The Pig is underrated. NOED Piggy with four traps left, it is pretty much game over especially since survivors tend to be overly altruistic. Not saying The Pig is top tier but there are other viable options rather than just Nurse and Billy ESPECIALLY on console since The Nurse is harder to use on console

I can link you some screenshots of me playing Leatherface. Not every Leatherface is a Insidious basement camper. I consider him one of the weaker killers. Because he´s very limited with his chainsaw. But i like playing him.

If 4 gens get done while the killer downs his first survivor, then there´s a huge balance problem. No surprise the killer camps. There´s not much to do. Even if he knows where to go, chances are high that the gen pops before he reaches it. Then the loop starts again. Thats not really toxic from the killer. Maybe pragmatic. But that´s about it.

@MegMain98 said:

@Tsulan said:

@MegMain98 said:

@Tsulan said:

@MegMain98 said:

@Tsulan said:

@No_Cluie_Louis said:

@MegMain98 said:
Wraith and Pig players are the typical face camping killers. I had a Wraith who caught somebody (with five gens left by the way) and put them in the basement and they had Insidious. Not what I like to go against but I’m not gonna say they were wrong in doing so...it’s a scummy way to play but they aren’t breaking any rules. Yesterday I had a STUPID Claudette farm me every time I got hooked and the Hag tunneled me like an ass. I blamed Claudette more than the Hag but it’s still scummy to target the same person who is obviously being farmed. I spectated and told my friend not to save the Claudette and she sat there at rot on the hook and she died. I cannot stand farmers, it’s usually your own teammates. Those are just some examples. People will defend killers and claim they aren’t being toxic but the moment as survivors hits DS or blinds a killer they are toxic and deserve to be face camped. Entitled killer mains are all around. With facecamping and entitled killer mains you can’t argue, they aren’t breaking any rules. Scummy way to play? Yes, but not worth your breath. Either let yourself die on the hook or DC, not that hard to do

People say the survivors are the cause of our communities community but what you said about covers it. Sure the survivors are partly to blame, but all the scummy entitled killers will label anything as toxic and play as toxic as possible in reply. They keep crying DS and flashlight but really, the killer can choose mid game wether to be toxic mid game or not, but survivors are stuck with he load out they joined the game with. The killers can't be bullied because they always have the upper hand. They can decide to face camp toxic players and not to camp fair ones. They get the choice, and survivors have to accept i, so how are they the ones who are ruining the community.

Oh man... where do i start...
Killers don´t have the upper hand. They never had and probably never will. Killers can be easily bullied by survivors. Face camping doesn´t exist anymore. It was removed back in october, but survivors love the word, so now everything is called face camping.

Anything the killer does now is considered toxic by survivors. Survivors ran out of excuses to be toxic. So now they blame the killer. It´s the killers fault that they equipped DS. It´s the killers fault that they last second switched to flashlights. It´s the killers fault that he camps, when 3 survivors are camping the hook like a pack of hungry wolves. It´s the killers fault when they don´t get their ez escape.

Also, survivors can find flashlights in chests or get them from other survivors.

BOTH sides can be toxic and that’s what you aren’t realizing. Of course survivors can be toxic but blinding to save a teammate or hitting decisive is NOT toxic unless they CONTINUE to blind you at every pallet, teabag, and be unsportsmanlike. If you really hate flashlights and decisive then run enduring and lightborn...other than that I don’t know what to tell you. In all my games I run into flashlighting teammates only about 1 out of every 10 games.

Killers on the other hand that will target ONE survivor and facecamp with five gens still up (especially Leatherface reving his chainsaw in your face) can be considered to be pretty toxic. Facecamping exists still, but it has a counter which is the hook swivel. You can still look a survivor in the eye and be facecamping, it is a legit strategy...a bad one, still a strategy though. Just doesn’t make much sense to camp when five gens are up then whine and complain when they get gen-rushed.

Maybe instead of crying for survivor nerfs, learn how to work around it...a coordinated group of SWF will always give you a run for your money. I don’t get mad because it is a video game, both sides want to win and the more skilled side will more than likely win whether it is asymmetrical or not. Sometimes the side that plays dirty wins whether it be an Insidious basment Leatherface or a flashlight SWF group.

Of course both sides can be toxic. But i almost only see toxic survivors. Hell they are even toxic to their own teammates, when something goes wrong. No, not every survivor is toxic. But there sure are enough of them, where 1 is rank 20 and the rest is in red ranks. Those don´t play just to escape. Those play to be as toxic as possible.

I keep hearing those horror stories of face camping leatherfaces that camp you with 5 gens. But i´ve never seen one. I played almost exclusivly survivor for the last 2 months. I had maybe 2 toxic killers. But no face camping monsters you seem to encounter every match. But then again, i wouldn´t loop a leatherface around a basement.

There is no working around it btw. Killer can´t be at 4 places at the same time. If he chases 1 survivor, the other ones can do gens. If he switches target, the first one goes back to a gen. The ONLY way around it, would be to play highly mobile killers like Billy or Nurse all the time. and even then, survivors can gen rush you.

In my own experience, a lot of Leatherface players play like an absolute forehead and will have the mindset of “tunnel, tunnel, tunnel.” Then get gen rushed when they finally get that one survivor down and realize there is only one generator left then they start to camp because they want to ensure a kill then at the end of the screen everybody gets more points than Leatherface did. I rarely have any good encounters with Leatherface players.

I’ll never attempt to loop a Leatherface near the basement by the way, but when he has agitation and iron grasp sometimes you are going im that basement no matter what.

Survivors are very powerful at keeping the killer distracted but very weak in breaking line of sight and stopping chases which is why you see people looping killer and not playing stealthy.

I dunno about only Nurse and Billy. I honestly feel as though The Pig is underrated. NOED Piggy with four traps left, it is pretty much game over especially since survivors tend to be overly altruistic. Not saying The Pig is top tier but there are other viable options rather than just Nurse and Billy ESPECIALLY on console since The Nurse is harder to use on console

I can link you some screenshots of me playing Leatherface. Not every Leatherface is a Insidious basement camper. I consider him one of the weaker killers. Because he´s very limited with his chainsaw. But i like playing him.

If 4 gens get done while the killer downs his first survivor, then there´s a huge balance problem. No surprise the killer camps. There´s not much to do. Even if he knows where to go, chances are high that the gen pops before he reaches it. Then the loop starts again. Thats not really toxic from the killer. Maybe pragmatic. But that´s about it.

Of course not every Leatherface is an Insidious camper. I’ve just gone against so many that will run BBQ and not put it to use. There isn’t a point in using BBQ and see all three survivors and not go after one of them. Now if they are all around the hook like a pack of wolves then obviously there is no need to leave the hook.

Leatherface is a weaker killer, which is why I’m surprised I see him pop up so much in higher ranks. Although Wraith is considered a weaker killer and I see him pop up a lot in high ranks as well

Going back to the toxic teammates I HATE when Farmer David gets me off the hook right in front of the killer and I’m the one getting tunneled. I mean it’s a smart move on the killers part to chase the injured survivor but I’ve gotten killed that way so many times that when I am a killer I’ll go after the farmer instead of the survivor I just hooked. Farming teammates are the worst.

BBQ is easily avoidable. They nerved the aura reading. Which makes it harder to see survivors that hide behind a gen. They are basically defeating the purpose of BBQ: killer leaving the hook, because he see´s someone else. Survivors which hide close to the hook or behind a gen, shouldn´t complain that the killer is camping. They gave him no reason to leave the hook.

It´s fun to play different killers. I hate to play always the same killers. It really gets boring in time. That´s why the devs should buff the other killers, so that there are more than 2 high tier killers.

The farming was worse when WGLF still had the 200% BP bonus. But some survivors still think that killers caused that nerf and want it buffed back. But that was madness. Survivors would race themselfes to the hook, farming their teammates without mercy.

@MegMain98 said:

@Tsulan said:

@MegMain98 said:

@Tsulan said:

@MegMain98 said:

@Tsulan said:

@MegMain98 said:

@Tsulan said:

@No_Cluie_Louis said:

@MegMain98 said:
Wraith and Pig players are the typical face camping killers. I had a Wraith who caught somebody (with five gens left by the way) and put them in the basement and they had Insidious. Not what I like to go against but I’m not gonna say they were wrong in doing so...it’s a scummy way to play but they aren’t breaking any rules. Yesterday I had a STUPID Claudette farm me every time I got hooked and the Hag tunneled me like an ass. I blamed Claudette more than the Hag but it’s still scummy to target the same person who is obviously being farmed. I spectated and told my friend not to save the Claudette and she sat there at rot on the hook and she died. I cannot stand farmers, it’s usually your own teammates. Those are just some examples. People will defend killers and claim they aren’t being toxic but the moment as survivors hits DS or blinds a killer they are toxic and deserve to be face camped. Entitled killer mains are all around. With facecamping and entitled killer mains you can’t argue, they aren’t breaking any rules. Scummy way to play? Yes, but not worth your breath. Either let yourself die on the hook or DC, not that hard to do

People say the survivors are the cause of our communities community but what you said about covers it. Sure the survivors are partly to blame, but all the scummy entitled killers will label anything as toxic and play as toxic as possible in reply. They keep crying DS and flashlight but really, the killer can choose mid game wether to be toxic mid game or not, but survivors are stuck with he load out they joined the game with. The killers can't be bullied because they always have the upper hand. They can decide to face camp toxic players and not to camp fair ones. They get the choice, and survivors have to accept i, so how are they the ones who are ruining the community.

Oh man... where do i start...
Killers don´t have the upper hand. They never had and probably never will. Killers can be easily bullied by survivors. Face camping doesn´t exist anymore. It was removed back in october, but survivors love the word, so now everything is called face camping.

Anything the killer does now is considered toxic by survivors. Survivors ran out of excuses to be toxic. So now they blame the killer. It´s the killers fault that they equipped DS. It´s the killers fault that they last second switched to flashlights. It´s the killers fault that he camps, when 3 survivors are camping the hook like a pack of hungry wolves. It´s the killers fault when they don´t get their ez escape.

Also, survivors can find flashlights in chests or get them from other survivors.

BOTH sides can be toxic and that’s what you aren’t realizing. Of course survivors can be toxic but blinding to save a teammate or hitting decisive is NOT toxic unless they CONTINUE to blind you at every pallet, teabag, and be unsportsmanlike. If you really hate flashlights and decisive then run enduring and lightborn...other than that I don’t know what to tell you. In all my games I run into flashlighting teammates only about 1 out of every 10 games.

Killers on the other hand that will target ONE survivor and facecamp with five gens still up (especially Leatherface reving his chainsaw in your face) can be considered to be pretty toxic. Facecamping exists still, but it has a counter which is the hook swivel. You can still look a survivor in the eye and be facecamping, it is a legit strategy...a bad one, still a strategy though. Just doesn’t make much sense to camp when five gens are up then whine and complain when they get gen-rushed.

Maybe instead of crying for survivor nerfs, learn how to work around it...a coordinated group of SWF will always give you a run for your money. I don’t get mad because it is a video game, both sides want to win and the more skilled side will more than likely win whether it is asymmetrical or not. Sometimes the side that plays dirty wins whether it be an Insidious basment Leatherface or a flashlight SWF group.

Of course both sides can be toxic. But i almost only see toxic survivors. Hell they are even toxic to their own teammates, when something goes wrong. No, not every survivor is toxic. But there sure are enough of them, where 1 is rank 20 and the rest is in red ranks. Those don´t play just to escape. Those play to be as toxic as possible.

I keep hearing those horror stories of face camping leatherfaces that camp you with 5 gens. But i´ve never seen one. I played almost exclusivly survivor for the last 2 months. I had maybe 2 toxic killers. But no face camping monsters you seem to encounter every match. But then again, i wouldn´t loop a leatherface around a basement.

There is no working around it btw. Killer can´t be at 4 places at the same time. If he chases 1 survivor, the other ones can do gens. If he switches target, the first one goes back to a gen. The ONLY way around it, would be to play highly mobile killers like Billy or Nurse all the time. and even then, survivors can gen rush you.

In my own experience, a lot of Leatherface players play like an absolute forehead and will have the mindset of “tunnel, tunnel, tunnel.” Then get gen rushed when they finally get that one survivor down and realize there is only one generator left then they start to camp because they want to ensure a kill then at the end of the screen everybody gets more points than Leatherface did. I rarely have any good encounters with Leatherface players.

I’ll never attempt to loop a Leatherface near the basement by the way, but when he has agitation and iron grasp sometimes you are going im that basement no matter what.

Survivors are very powerful at keeping the killer distracted but very weak in breaking line of sight and stopping chases which is why you see people looping killer and not playing stealthy.

I dunno about only Nurse and Billy. I honestly feel as though The Pig is underrated. NOED Piggy with four traps left, it is pretty much game over especially since survivors tend to be overly altruistic. Not saying The Pig is top tier but there are other viable options rather than just Nurse and Billy ESPECIALLY on console since The Nurse is harder to use on console

I can link you some screenshots of me playing Leatherface. Not every Leatherface is a Insidious basement camper. I consider him one of the weaker killers. Because he´s very limited with his chainsaw. But i like playing him.

If 4 gens get done while the killer downs his first survivor, then there´s a huge balance problem. No surprise the killer camps. There´s not much to do. Even if he knows where to go, chances are high that the gen pops before he reaches it. Then the loop starts again. Thats not really toxic from the killer. Maybe pragmatic. But that´s about it.

Of course not every Leatherface is an Insidious camper. I’ve just gone against so many that will run BBQ and not put it to use. There isn’t a point in using BBQ and see all three survivors and not go after one of them. Now if they are all around the hook like a pack of wolves then obviously there is no need to leave the hook.

Leatherface is a weaker killer, which is why I’m surprised I see him pop up so much in higher ranks. Although Wraith is considered a weaker killer and I see him pop up a lot in high ranks as well

Going back to the toxic teammates I HATE when Farmer David gets me off the hook right in front of the killer and I’m the one getting tunneled. I mean it’s a smart move on the killers part to chase the injured survivor but I’ve gotten killed that way so many times that when I am a killer I’ll go after the farmer instead of the survivor I just hooked. Farming teammates are the worst.

BBQ is easily avoidable. They nerved the aura reading. Which makes it harder to see survivors that hide behind a gen. They are basically defeating the purpose of BBQ: killer leaving the hook, because he see´s someone else. Survivors which hide close to the hook or behind a gen, shouldn´t complain that the killer is camping. They gave him no reason to leave the hook.

It´s fun to play different killers. I hate to play always the same killers. It really gets boring in time. That´s why the devs should buff the other killers, so that there are more than 2 high tier killers.

The farming was worse when WGLF still had the 200% BP bonus. But some survivors still think that killers caused that nerf and want it buffed back. But that was madness. Survivors would race themselfes to the hook, farming their teammates without mercy.

There is a huge problem with buffing other killers to get them on “Nurse and Billy level”. Not every killer is physically possible to be that powerful. You will never see Bing Bong and Sleepy Boy on a higher tier level, their powers just don’t work that way. Not every killer needs that kind of a buff either. Myers and Huntress are balanced and top tier killers but do they need a buff so they can be on the same level as Nurse? Hell no, they are already stupidly powerful in most people’s hands. Trapper and Hag got a buff as well, they aren’t top tier like Nurse but they are much more viable in higher ranks than before. Some killers NEEDED a buff and some simply do not. You cannot have every killer on the level on Nurse. Just not possible. The only killer that REALLY needs a buff is Freddy.

So according to you Trapper is now top tier alongside Billy?

Devs need to buff the base kits of killers. They need to be able to be played without add-ons. Only Nurse and Billy are able to be played like this. Other killers are heavily dependant on add-ons.
I don´t want to spend 50.000-150.000 BPs on a random bloodweb, to be able to have 1 or 2 good rounds with a killer.

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Wraith and Pig players are the typical face camping killers. I had a Wraith who caught somebody (with five gens left by the way) and put them in the basement and they had Insidious. Not what I like to go against but I’m not gonna say they were wrong in doing so...it’s a scummy way to play but they aren’t breaking any rules. Yesterday I had a STUPID Claudette farm me every time I got hooked and the Hag tunneled me like an ass. I blamed Claudette more than the Hag but it’s still scummy to target the same person who is obviously being farmed. I spectated and told my friend not to save the Claudette and she sat there at rot on the hook and she died. I cannot stand farmers, it’s usually your own teammates. Those are just some examples. People will defend killers and claim they aren’t being toxic but the moment as survivors hits DS or blinds a killer they are toxic and deserve to be face camped. Entitled killer mains are all around. With facecamping and entitled killer mains you can’t argue, they aren’t breaking any rules. Scummy way to play? Yes, but not worth your breath. Either let yourself die on the hook or DC, not that hard to do

People say the survivors are the cause of our communities community but what you said about covers it. Sure the survivors are partly to blame, but all the scummy entitled killers will label anything as toxic and play as toxic as possible in reply. They keep crying DS and flashlight but really, the killer can choose mid game wether to be toxic mid game or not, but survivors are stuck with he load out they joined the game with. The killers can't be bullied because they always have the upper hand. They can decide to face camp toxic players and not to camp fair ones. They get the choice, and survivors have to accept i, so how are they the ones who are ruining the community.

Oh man... where do i start...
Killers don´t have the upper hand. They never had and probably never will. Killers can be easily bullied by survivors. Face camping doesn´t exist anymore. It was removed back in october, but survivors love the word, so now everything is called face camping.

Anything the killer does now is considered toxic by survivors. Survivors ran out of excuses to be toxic. So now they blame the killer. It´s the killers fault that they equipped DS. It´s the killers fault that they last second switched to flashlights. It´s the killers fault that he camps, when 3 survivors are camping the hook like a pack of hungry wolves. It´s the killers fault when they don´t get their ez escape.

Also, survivors can find flashlights in chests or get them from other survivors.

BOTH sides can be toxic and that’s what you aren’t realizing. Of course survivors can be toxic but blinding to save a teammate or hitting decisive is NOT toxic unless they CONTINUE to blind you at every pallet, teabag, and be unsportsmanlike. If you really hate flashlights and decisive then run enduring and lightborn...other than that I don’t know what to tell you. In all my games I run into flashlighting teammates only about 1 out of every 10 games.

Killers on the other hand that will target ONE survivor and facecamp with five gens still up (especially Leatherface reving his chainsaw in your face) can be considered to be pretty toxic. Facecamping exists still, but it has a counter which is the hook swivel. You can still look a survivor in the eye and be facecamping, it is a legit strategy...a bad one, still a strategy though. Just doesn’t make much sense to camp when five gens are up then whine and complain when they get gen-rushed.

Maybe instead of crying for survivor nerfs, learn how to work around it...a coordinated group of SWF will always give you a run for your money. I don’t get mad because it is a video game, both sides want to win and the more skilled side will more than likely win whether it is asymmetrical or not. Sometimes the side that plays dirty wins whether it be an Insidious basment Leatherface or a flashlight SWF group.

Of course both sides can be toxic. But i almost only see toxic survivors. Hell they are even toxic to their own teammates, when something goes wrong. No, not every survivor is toxic. But there sure are enough of them, where 1 is rank 20 and the rest is in red ranks. Those don´t play just to escape. Those play to be as toxic as possible.

I keep hearing those horror stories of face camping leatherfaces that camp you with 5 gens. But i´ve never seen one. I played almost exclusivly survivor for the last 2 months. I had maybe 2 toxic killers. But no face camping monsters you seem to encounter every match. But then again, i wouldn´t loop a leatherface around a basement.

There is no working around it btw. Killer can´t be at 4 places at the same time. If he chases 1 survivor, the other ones can do gens. If he switches target, the first one goes back to a gen. The ONLY way around it, would be to play highly mobile killers like Billy or Nurse all the time. and even then, survivors can gen rush you.

In my own experience, a lot of Leatherface players play like an absolute forehead and will have the mindset of “tunnel, tunnel, tunnel.” Then get gen rushed when they finally get that one survivor down and realize there is only one generator left then they start to camp because they want to ensure a kill then at the end of the screen everybody gets more points than Leatherface did. I rarely have any good encounters with Leatherface players.

I’ll never attempt to loop a Leatherface near the basement by the way, but when he has agitation and iron grasp sometimes you are going im that basement no matter what.

Survivors are very powerful at keeping the killer distracted but very weak in breaking line of sight and stopping chases which is why you see people looping killer and not playing stealthy.

I dunno about only Nurse and Billy. I honestly feel as though The Pig is underrated. NOED Piggy with four traps left, it is pretty much game over especially since survivors tend to be overly altruistic. Not saying The Pig is top tier but there are other viable options rather than just Nurse and Billy ESPECIALLY on console since The Nurse is harder to use on console

I can link you some screenshots of me playing Leatherface. Not every Leatherface is a Insidious basement camper. I consider him one of the weaker killers. Because he´s very limited with his chainsaw. But i like playing him.

If 4 gens get done while the killer downs his first survivor, then there´s a huge balance problem. No surprise the killer camps. There´s not much to do. Even if he knows where to go, chances are high that the gen pops before he reaches it. Then the loop starts again. Thats not really toxic from the killer. Maybe pragmatic. But that´s about it.

Of course not every Leatherface is an Insidious camper. I’ve just gone against so many that will run BBQ and not put it to use. There isn’t a point in using BBQ and see all three survivors and not go after one of them. Now if they are all around the hook like a pack of wolves then obviously there is no need to leave the hook.

Leatherface is a weaker killer, which is why I’m surprised I see him pop up so much in higher ranks. Although Wraith is considered a weaker killer and I see him pop up a lot in high ranks as well

Going back to the toxic teammates I HATE when Farmer David gets me off the hook right in front of the killer and I’m the one getting tunneled. I mean it’s a smart move on the killers part to chase the injured survivor but I’ve gotten killed that way so many times that when I am a killer I’ll go after the farmer instead of the survivor I just hooked. Farming teammates are the worst.

BBQ is easily avoidable. They nerved the aura reading. Which makes it harder to see survivors that hide behind a gen. They are basically defeating the purpose of BBQ: killer leaving the hook, because he see´s someone else. Survivors which hide close to the hook or behind a gen, shouldn´t complain that the killer is camping. They gave him no reason to leave the hook.

It´s fun to play different killers. I hate to play always the same killers. It really gets boring in time. That´s why the devs should buff the other killers, so that there are more than 2 high tier killers.

The farming was worse when WGLF still had the 200% BP bonus. But some survivors still think that killers caused that nerf and want it buffed back. But that was madness. Survivors would race themselfes to the hook, farming their teammates without mercy.

There is a huge problem with buffing other killers to get them on “Nurse and Billy level”. Not every killer is physically possible to be that powerful. You will never see Bing Bong and Sleepy Boy on a higher tier level, their powers just don’t work that way. Not every killer needs that kind of a buff either. Myers and Huntress are balanced and top tier killers but do they need a buff so they can be on the same level as Nurse? Hell no, they are already stupidly powerful in most people’s hands. Trapper and Hag got a buff as well, they aren’t top tier like Nurse but they are much more viable in higher ranks than before. Some killers NEEDED a buff and some simply do not. You cannot have every killer on the level on Nurse. Just not possible. The only killer that REALLY needs a buff is Freddy.

So according to you Trapper is now top tier alongside Billy?

Devs need to buff the base kits of killers. They need to be able to be played without add-ons. Only Nurse and Billy are able to be played like this. Other killers are heavily dependant on add-ons.
I don´t want to spend 50.000-150.000 BPs on a random bloodweb, to be able to have 1 or 2 good rounds with a killer.

Did you not read what I said? I CLEARLY said “Trapper and Hag got a buff as well, they aren’t top tier like Nurse but they are much more viable in higher ranks than before.” They aren’t top tier but they are much better than before. They got a massive buffs to trap speeds and their perks. You will never have Trapper and Hag on the same level as the Nurse. Nurse can ignore walls and pallets and other game physics while other killers cannot. Billy is super mobile and can zoom around the map like no other killer can other than Nurse. You aren’t going to see Leatherface zooming around like Billy.

Making them more viable without add-ons would be great, but they’re simple baseline killers...they cannot be as viable as Nurse simple as that. What sort of buff would you give to ONLY Trapper to make HIM more viable for play that wouldn’t as benefit killers like Nurse?