Welcome to the Temple of Purgation, 30 Second gen.

Arguably the best comment I have ever read on these forums. I've said for a long time though it seems like not all but a large minority of killers won't be happy until there are no gens, or no exit gates. They don't want the challenge what they want is the fun of hunting and being untouchable - or having an inability to lose.

You got really lucky with that early DC saved you about 3 hook times and reduced at of repair and pressure

Which is probably one of the reasons. Tunneling and camping was always a thing, but never as bad as after the Ruin rework. Also, that was 32 seconds. The camera panning does not really count. And "I have no sympathy for killers" is some kind of argument, that would totally legitimate to tunnel and camp you. You can't expect someone to care about your experience if you don't about others, so your comparison to gen rush complaining is somewhat hypocritical.

@shalo 3 people on a gen need 38 seconds. No Proove Thyself but 2 toolboxes, that might have made the speedup to 32 seconds. I would suggest running Discordance for a bunch of games. I noticed it is pretty much standard that at least two survivors spawn together and mostly directly to a gen. I also posted about that in the last PTB, I think the problem is not 2% great skillcheck progression or another 5% team penalty on gens, but survivor spawning logic. You might be wondering how often Discordance triggers within the first 5 seconds of a game. You can use this at least several games to get a feeling for survivor spawning regions, and then check if you do better after you feel confident of where you expect survivors on several maps.

@ALostPuppy @AlexisFox @Brendan_12 not really a need to bring this us vs them up again. You can also say that survivors quite much expect easy counterplay against killers for 1v1, making the 4v1 totally unbalanced. This argumentation will never stop and we all know about that. This topic was basically just about the first 30 seconds of the game, the rest of the game doesn't matter to that.

@AlexisFox If you say "expect 4k every game" I think you refer to the video and that it turned out to be a 4k. But that was just because of potato survivors, if they continued with the same efficiency instead of crouching behind a rock to hide against Feral Frenzy and without the DC, the game would have turned out differently. Again, we are just talking about the first gen. No need to assume stuff and presume any statements

Same to @Brendan_12 , noone expects super easy play. Just less randomness that impacts the game with 20% loss of progress as kickoff. Better spawning points would not smash survivors in front of the killer, it would need the killer to pay attention to find survivors and survivors to make a decision to jump on a gen or play stealthy for at least 30 seconds to be not in chase instantly. That would be a more skillbased start of the game, rather than "I do gens, 50% of my matches it finishes because I got lucky" or "50% of my games I find the correct gen because I got lucky"

Why are there so many toxic survivors here?

That's how it happens. "Oh I guessed the wrong direction! Instant gen pop!" Survivors think this is fair as well.

I hate it when people steal the way someone said something and put their own twist on it. It's not funny or "OHHH COMEBACK!" cool. You do it because you can't come up with original thought, which is further proven by your derailing of the conversation. We're talking about gen speed, not tunneling.

Discordance would have helped a lot here. I try to use it when I get lucky with the bloodweb, but for Legion, it's one of their own perks. At least you knew everyone was on the same gen.

Yup. I get those when I play survivor. Teammates with rank, but not the skill to match it. Makes it suck to play solo. Stuck on the hook, and watching these yellow figures walking / crouching around clueless. 3+ years of playing dbd. I've climbed the ladder of knowledge and experience, but get stuck with those that haven't..

Well, survivors have 5 gens, killers up to 12 hooks. How about starting the game with a survivor on the hook?

Imagine being a survivor who complains about the only viable strat against sweaty SWF's.

I never said or implied that you wanted to kill all the survivors in 60 seconds, I said "It sounds like you are saying that killers should be able to get 4 kills without a single gen popping." That means a match should play out where the killer is able to interrupt survivors before they complete whatever gens they work on throughout the entire match and stop them from popping. This was in response to you saying "They guessed wrong and lost a gen for it. How is that ok?" It's ok because that was the consequence of making the wrong decision. Was it possible for this player to make the right decision? Yes, it was. Was it possible for this player to know if the decision they were making was right or wrong? No, it wasn't. Both killers and survivors have to make those kind of decisions from time to time and guessing wrong has consequences. That doesn't automatically make it unfair. As for not wanting to run around trying to find someone to chase, that sounds like you may be playing the wrong game since survivors are encouraged to try to not be seen unless they have an advantage in a given chase. It's up to the killer to ferret them out of hiding when the killer would have the chase advantage. So you simply are not going to get survivors and the killer spawning in set locations that give some kind of advantage to one side or the other. The spawn locations will be random and that randomness will sometimes cause survivors to spawn near each other and near a gen. Also it will sometimes spawn the killer in a place where they start chasing someone in the first 5 seconds of a match.

Well, then we disagree. If survivors throw the game is pretty much irrelevant to me, when the problem is basically to start the game with 4 gens. If decent survivors get to finish the first gen before the first chase starts, the killer pretty much relies on mistakes of the survivors and is himself not allowed to do some, to catch up with that in most games. And this is the issue. Not that potatoes don't manage to get anything done once they see a killer.

And to the second: you didn't even respond to what I directed at you. I was talking about your "expect 4k" insinuation and that the video does not imply that OP requests 4k...

Same counts for you XD

@Deadeye you may be right re spawns. However there are still perks that effect spawns - or rather not perks but bonuses. Would these too be removed then?

And regardless of what is introduced, either main survivors or main killers will kick off and get angsty because they feel they're been persecuted at some level or other I feel.