An Attempt At A Serious Hillbilly VS Oni Discussion

Oni's Demon Dash is way more controllable than Hillbilly's Chainsaw, and as a console player, it's really noticeable. You can also just do the slam, rather than always dashing.

Hillbilly has his power permanently, and to be honest, a bit too much for my liking.

If I go down to an Oni, then I generally feel like it was my fault, rather than yet another chainsaw with virtually zero cooldown. And Oni has a way better aesthetic to him.

Their perk "pools" also differ greatly, for example, I feel that Monitor and Abuse is good on Oni, considering you need early hits to build up blood, where as it isn't great on Hillbilly because you're always using your chainsaw. Differences like that.

I 100% prefer Oni over Billy. Took Oni all the way to rank 1 after deciding ghostface wasn't getting me there when his stalk started getting glitched. I find his power to be more fun to use, more reliable in a chase, and you can catch survivors way off guard with its maneuverability. Especially given his snowball potential it doesnt even matter if he's a bit weak early game, by mid game you almost always have your power anyway, especially if you bring offerings that drop more blood.

Fair argument, if you get a good early game the snowball is often too insane to counter.

Using top knot on Oni lets you basically have almost any loop for free in the game if you know the timing. It's kind of insane how different it makes him feel. The speed boost combo'd with it just feels soo nice. Using Oni at loops is very viable but like Billy you gotta know the timing and what you can and can't get around which only comes by playing him a bunch. Shorter loops can normally only be countered using top knot since the charge takes too long otherwise.

Oni's power is definitely stronger then Billy's when it's active as well as having some built in tracking to counter Iron Will but he can suffer really bad in early game. On the other side he can also snowball incredibly well and is a very good slugging killer when using Infectious. I definitely think his snowball is better than Billy's and if you're the slugging type I think Oni is the better choice there.

Really though I think it just comes down to preference which one you like more. Billy is more an all-arounder while Oni starts weak but get's stronger over time. While their powers are similar the playstyle is a tad different as Oni requires a bit more thought put into it like keeping track of where people were healing or if they did gens injured so he knows where blood is or when's the proper time to use the power or when to or not to slug. Billy is more "chainsaw go vroom!"

I personally think Billy is stronger overall because you always have that instadown as well as map coverage if someone is giving you trouble. As Oni you almost always need that first hit and if no one gives it to you he suffers hard so in that way I think he is a higher risk higher reward type killer. Some people like to put him as mid tier or even low tier but I personally think he's high tier and around top 5. Even if Billy is better I don't think Oni is bad by any means and I think he's also a lot funner.

i wouldnt say that.

yes, their powers are quite similar at certain points, but there is definitely a couple of differences:

1) Oni has a restricted ability that needs to be charged and is time limited - Billy always has full access to his chainsaw

2) Oni has a 180° attack window while in Demon Dash, so a possible flick of 90° to each side - Billy has to hit a Survivor directly with the chainsaw to down them

now, what does that mean?

Hillbilly has full access to his power whenever he wants it, while Oni has to time it. this allowes Billy to use his power all the time, while Oni has a rather slow start and then has to hold on to his power until he finds someone, so he doesnt waste it. This is also why Billy is imo the stronger killer.

This is where the two powers go apart aswell - Hillbilly has an amazing map pressure tool with his chainsaw, however it isnt very easy to use during chases (=> Billy is a loopable killer). Oni however has a power focussed on the Chase. Thanks to his flick he is a lot more deadly during chases than Billy could be, therefore he cant just rush around the map 24/7 like billy can.

so what am i trying to say here?

in short, both powers seem very similar, but are actually used very differently:

Billy primarily has a map pressure ability

Oni primarily has a chase ability

and imo Oni is more fun than Billy.

I think Oni definitely has a significantly better and more powerful ability than billy, but the thing is he doesn't always have that power. Without it he is just and m1 killer with nothing going for him other than weak tracking from blood, but if you get his ability he becomes very, very strong

I'll admit, this post may be a bit biased, as Oni is my secondary main and I can't play Hillbilly if my life depended on it.

When Oni gets a hit, he gains tracking abilities. Hillbilly... has no tracking.

Oni controls rather easily (for me). Hillbilly, for whatever reason for me, has always felt super clunky with his turning.

In Demon Form, Oni can simply charge an M1 to instantly down. Not even that long. Hillbilly has to charge his chainsaw.

Oni can hit obstacles without ending his charge. Hillbilly stops immediately and hits a brief cooldown.

Oni has the flick, giving him a far wider range to hit. Hillbilly has to hit dead on and has very little ability to quickly turn.

Hillbilly moves faster than Oni when charging, so I'll give him that.

Hillbilly also always has his power available, giving him a far better early game (when you can play him). Oni's biggest weakness is that early game.

According to my (again, slightly biased) analysis, Oni is better than Hillbilly, but that bad early game can seriously hurt him if you don't find Survivors immediately.

A good Oni can potentially be much more powerful than a good Billy, but Billy is more consistent. Oni falls into the same boat as Trapper and Hag, he either has a feast or a famine, with little in-between. Oni capitalizes on mistakes better than any other killer, but he also has to rely on them in order to get his power frequently. Once he gets his power though, a top notch Oni can easily get the game in the bag.

Oni is to Billy what Hag is to Trapper, a souped up variant of the original with a very different playstyle and aesthetic. It's like comparing Grapes to Wine, it's an obvious comparison, but both offer extremely different experiences.

Yes. It one of the reason why it often pair up with Monitor and abuse on Oni. Have not played Oni with the new update but as long as nothing has changed, it should still work with his club.

Oni has the stronger power but Billy has his power no matter what.

Oni can get really hurt against Survivors who know how to loop, but I got looped pretty early and the snowball power of Oni still got me the win.

Billy can be looped and you can't rely on his curving pretty well on most loops. Also, in order to get good curves you'll need "Death Engravings" or "Doom Engravings". Oni works fine without any Add-Ons, making Scalped Topknot the equivalent of an insta saw Billy. Billy without Add-Ons feels weird because of his 3 second cooldown after ending the Chainsaw. I usually run the Vegetable Oil for that case.

I really think Oni might be the better one of the 2 because his power isn't really hard to get if you use Monitor and Abuse, making it easier to get the first hit, while Billy can't really sneak up well and his power works worse in a chase.

It clearly due to Oni having the power of anime and god on his side.

To be more serious. I took a moment to look it up and it seems, they did removed the need for it to be a basic attack for Fright awhile ago, so Fright can trigger from any attack that puts a survivor into the dying state. Which happen back in patch 3.1.0, which is also news to me. So it seems the description for the perk is out dated.

It actually works with Plague’s corrupt purge as well.

On release IF on triggered on a basic attack but on the 3.1.0 patch (Freddy rework) they removed the basic attack stipulation so now any time the survivor is put into dying state, IF triggers. That’s why it is so good with Oni and Billy.