Survivor hypocrisy ( sorry for the long post)

Yea ik just mentiong that both sides are hypocritical not just survivors

As a couple comments above me said, that Dwight went into the basement against a Trapper with the Trapper (I'm guessing) right on his butt. There's no reason he should be complaining that you only won because of a perk.

I personally do understand when people complain about certain things. Like DS, I can see how when you use it along with another thing or two and have all 4 survivors or even 3 do that, how it can be pretty annoying. That's just minority cases though, to have all 4 survivors going DS with super stacked builds. At the end of the day, what I feel is that pretty much every perk is a "crutch" as some people like to describe it, except for No Mither maybe. While, as I said, I do understand the hate for certain perks and the arguments for changing them, I don't believe in telling somebody that they only won because of 1 perk they used or whatever. There's always mistakes that are made on either side. That's what humans do, we make mistakes.

I'm sorry but as I've explained in a post above, there are counters to all of them. I have no issue with NOED, and there are MANY ways to play around all of those perks you mentioned except for Adrenaline(Aside from don't let gens get done), which isn't even a perk until the END of a game, and is technically the same as an OLD syringe, without being able to control when it goes off. Doesn't seem unhealthy to me.

That said as for NOED, I've found that searching chests and doing totems is more of a luxury at this point. A luxury I've rarely had time to do without dying unless the killer was a potato. I think the only time I actually got out with an item trying to bring some out due to terrible survivor bloodwebs(they don't get good add ons every blood web ya know) making me take Plunderer's is when I brought a white ward to take the item out with me whether I died or not. I had another CHANCE to bring an item out but the killer had Franklin's, and I got put on the hook for trying to get it back, then someone got me off and I ran out without getting it because if I didn't I would have died.

By the way I've put a lot of good ideas out in the game that usually will benefit both survivors and killers. Generally the killers don't like it because the survivors are getting a buff alongside it. Anything that buffs survivors, despite being better for the balance of the game, many killers disagree with, regardless of whether they'd get something they desperately want. This is from personal experience. I originally played both sides but to get out of camping killer scenarios I played survivor more to get into red ranks. Either way, for any game I think balance over tipping the scales is more important. Most people don't agree with that sentiment on these forums though.

Noed is currently the only real powerful perk a killer has.

Everything else is detection or Gen slowdown doesn't have synergy

BBQ is only good for points but with how much of a grind this game is... mandatory

So every killer load out ends up like this

Midground

BBQ-noed-corrupt/pop-infect/whisper

Aggressive

Noed-enduring-fury-infectous/tremors

If your on a non meta killer you might use a single killer specific perk Like thana on plague. Or bloodwarden on freddy

Oh trust me, a lot of killers just don't want any sort of buff survivors could possibly get despite it being more balanced. But it's everyone, survivors included. No one seems to like balance. Any suggestion that IS balanced generally either gets the silent treatment or backlash because because both sides get something. By the way it's only a minor subset of people who actually believe that survivors are oppressively OP. There have been many nerfs over time that have all added up, and this most recent one is one of the more significant buffs to killers. I was on Autohaven and only saw like 4-5 pallets one game, with big groups of empty space. Bet a lot of people(on this forum specifically, not everywhere) would think that's balanced.

I once said that killers should get full blood points for every survivor that DCs while survivors should get full blood points if the killer DCs(before the DC penalties). Got backlash, because killers would only get 8000 for one survivor DCing and survivors would all get 32000 total. This was still balanced though, as killers generally DC less, and the survivors are no longer allowed to get any more points if a killer DCs. If a survivor DCs the game is still ongoing and the killer has just as much potential to get those 32000 points. Only one argument was somewhat sound, being that it could be used to farm bloodpoints, but that would require a LOT of setup from people who don't know each other, and likely wouldn't happen because one or four people wouldn't get any bloodpoints. Strangers don't usually agree to that kind of situation considering they're not put into the same game multiple times.

Once suggested moris be replaced by a different offering that was more fun for both sides, generally removing the generator aspect of the game even. Giving the killer a customized trial, like for example if it's a Pig, everyone started with active RBTs on their heads, there were more jigsaw boxes around, giving more time for survivors to get the trap off, to extend the game and make it more about the Pig finding survivors without having to patrol gens. It got more accepted by some, but it didn't gain much traction and there was still some backlash. Understandable as it's a huge game changer.

One suggestion was to make the rank system grade what was brought in the trial and base requirements to pip/depip on everything combined. didn't gain much traction

And one of my biggest suggestions was to make survivors have only one chance to live, rather than 3, but give them more ways to lose killers in chase, perhaps some minor survivability buffs. Obviously some perks would have to be changed around, but it got pretty silent on that one too. People don't want balance, they want domination.

There's nothing about any of those suggestions that tip the scales to one side's favor, and many other suggestions that didn't favor any side generally are left behind as well. I can't think of any suggestions that didn't favor one side slightly or more than slightly that has gotten a lot of traction. Even just minor QOL changes get left behind.

Except you DON'T have to ignore your objective. If someone used BT, there's another survivor right there in your face. That's your objective. Do it. If someone got unhooked and has DS, same thing, there's another survivor right there in your face. Do your objective. Patrol gens if you're not at the hook like I imagine you are. You'll find an objective. If you REALLY want to continue being a dick to people, sure, follow that person for 15 measly seconds and down them then. BT ran out so there's your opportunity to tunnel the poor player who gets you as a killer. I'm sorry but saying you have to ignore your objective is just ridiculous. Being a jerk is not your objective. If you surprisingly AREN'T being a jerk and a survivor did it in front of their face, it's not the person's fault who was just unhooked. Go after the jerk who did it and make them pay. You don't get some award for "best killer" if you manage to get a 4k, so I don't see the reason people play like this.

People who use NOED in my experience never get to do anything with it anyways because they generally miss every hit that's all but guaranteed so much in game that you know when someone is using it. When it actually does come into play it's generally somewhat exciting for me. That said not when the totem is hidden super well or the killer hooks the person right at his totem. Either way it's generally used by someone who doesn't have faith in their abilities, and rightly so.

I wouldn't call it survivor hypocrisy but rather player mentality. The mentality stems from what they think is a cheap part of the game to use on the side they are against without seeing the same on their own side.

What players need to realise is the game is about killing or escaping and each side can use whatever the game offers to do this. This should always be accepted by all the players and quite frankly stop blaming the other side for using what they can and then calling them toxic.