Hawkins needs a rework. It's too much killer friendly.
This map is honestly the most easiest map for killer than any map that you guys ever made. Even the good survivor can die in this map against a new player that is currently learning the killer side. The problem what is that has:
- All windows doesn't give you any safety or slight distance, it will kill you if you try using them.
- There is not an one safe pallet in this map. Even if this map has a lof pallets in this game, it doesn't matter, because loops between is too and doesn't give any mindgames between the players, and it's just gives the killer a free hit if the survivor tries to go to the next pallet or will force the killer to destroy the dropped one.
- Upstairs, are the most pointless place that you guys ever made for both sides. It's overkill for survivor and completely pointless for killer to protect that generator, because it takes too much time to get up there.
Honestly I wish this map could have a badham treatment, because damn the badham preschool is the most balanced map for both sides currently. Few safe pallets, the rest one are kinda unsafe, but still you have a chance to mindgame and the windows are at least giving you some distance between killer, but not much.
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I hope you know up stairs has three amazing windows, I don’t mind there being some killer sided maps and some survivor sided maps, but most should be neutral
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So only the killer sided maps need a rework but not the survivor sided ones. Alright.
Also there are some safe pallets and to make pallets more useful just add them to the loop so the killer has to break them.
Most of the time its the mindset needing to be changed rather than the map.
There are great looping locations and plenty of opportunity to use balanced landing or throw down a pallet to vault it to use lithe
Also if the pallets are unsafe people should be cornering themselves at them unless they have spine chill + resilience and are amazing at prediction
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The map does actually have safe pallets, but it's not like other maps like Haddonfield or Lery's where you drop it and then get a good 5 second head start. You have too mindgame the pallets too make them useful, which is why people say it's a bad survivor map.
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So it doesn't have.
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Which map is for you the survivor sided? Haddonfield? The window fences were already removed.
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If they want achieve the balance, none maps should be killer-sided or survivor-sided.
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You want to hear a survivor sided map. Ez mothers dwelling.
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This map will achieve the changes in the future. Same with Disturbed Ward, which is also pretty much a survivor sided map.
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The maps should never all be 50/50 survivor and killer sided perfectly because that means they would all be so alike the game would start to lose all interest
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Look at the Badham and Lery's maps. These maps were perfectly balanced to be fair for all players and yet people love these maps.
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Bit of a stretch being that we have no tangible data on them. But also just leave it its alright for maps to be more killer or more survivor sided. If every map was survivor sided the game would feel like a cakewalk with not much challenge at all. If all maps were killer sided it might feel as you literally had no way of doing anything to win and lose interest for survivors. With some maps being killer and survivor sided it adds more interesting situations and underdog plays to the game that would otherwise be well I did average on an average map as an average killer which time after time would be boring.
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Maybe it's because I havent played on the map much but I hate it as killer. People constantly use the stairs with the vault that drops down to 2 pallets. As trapper there is zero tall grass so your traps are oh so obvious. As nurse there are a lot of LoS blockers. I'm sure Mikey or GF would have fun on that map but for the most part, I hate Hawkins.
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It does, but you just told me you just want completely safe pallets with no mindgames lol.
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It's definitely killer favoured but I think it's more balanced than lerys is. The loops aren't terrible and I think you have better vision to see the killer than on maps like lerys. It's definitely a good map for stealth killers but a good team should still escape.
I'd take hawkins over shelter woods or lerys any day.
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Please read once again my thread, and you will know what map I love the most and why.
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It's ok. Everyone has their opinions :)
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easiest map to stealth lol
if we talking game? yea sure, but hawkins?? lol
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I hate both of those maps as Survivor and Killer, but the map I hate the most is the Meat Plant. I hate it with all my heart.
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Fair. Definitely agree about the upstairs being extremely pointless. Feels like it's only there to help separate the gens.
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Please, where did he say anything about that only killer sided maps should be reworked?
Beside that, survivor sided maps just got reworked but they ignored killer sided maps so he makes a fair point.
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