When it's been a long day and you just wanna come home and have a few fun games...

If you want a game to relax, dbd is not it.

Maybe it's a PC thing but on ps4 I don't get many tunneling and camping killers. But I do run kindred just in case, it just counters camping.

Erm, it's pretty much impossible to play nice at red ranks unless you are an absolute god (or playing Freddy/Nurse/Billy/Spirit/etc). It's typical to spawn into a game, walk to the nearest non-corrupted gen, find a survivor, down them in 20-30 seconds, and lose your first gen for it. I've had games where I literally 2 tap the first person I find and a gen is still gone by the time they are hooked.

How would you ever be expected to win as killer at that pace without snowballing (aka camping / slugging) or getting rid of someone as fast as possible (tunneling)? Spam Freddy every game?

Honestly, i don't see it very often on the pc. Maybe i'm just lucky or my meaning of tunneling is totally different from others. Since i have seen that before, two people have a totally different meaning on what tunneling is. One will go with the classic, focusing on one person above and beyond any logical reason, even when it would benefit them to go after someone else. While another person will go, hitting the person who just got unhooked, no matter what just happen. With the first meaning, giving a rather clear cut cases as to what it means, focusing on sololy on person. While the second one, doesn't take into any context. With how popular burrow time is. Well they might of been hitting the hooked survivor for that reason. To force them to mend and waste more of their time healing up. That or slug them, so they can safely chase after the saver. Having three people off gens.

Of course there are certain folks that do like to make x group out to be the bad ones. All survivors are bad folk. All killers are bad folk. For they play into the in group vs out group mind set, rather than remembering each player is a individual.

Not to forget there was a thread awhile ago, asking people. What do you find to be rude or unsportsman like in game. Where you had many different answers, some of them conflicting with one another. For well each individual had their own personal standard for what counts as rude or unsportsman like. Heck one person was going they will report Oni players, for using an add on the killer has. That and different people had way different means for slugging. Some were like oh yeah, it just to make them all bleed out and die. While another person was fine with slugging, if it was used to apply pressure and not just have the survivor bleed out. Like say an Oni running fright, they could down one person and than see someone else on fright, dash to them and down them. Forcing three people off gens. Which would be to the Oni favor. Since less people doing gens, means the killer has more time to do as they please.

You could beat dark souls with a broken sword and wearing a dress which offers very little protection. Yet most people don't do that. Rather they will use armor and spells that fit their build or benefit them in some fashion. Why? For it useful to their build or the spell in general is very powerful to the point of why wouldn't you use it? It like a video game boss with glowing weak points, of course you are going to aim at them. For it benefits you or going back to dark souls, upgrading your weapons and armor. Why? For it benefits you and aids you, it just common sense to use things that are powerful and greatly benefit you. In the case of lightning upgrade, that can make certain bosses a push over or at least way easier, due to their weakness being lightning. Even if a killer never dropped anyone, they are carrying to a hook, even with the hooks being destroy, left, right and center, with the other survivors bodyblocking, letting the person who ran into them after getting unhook go. Oni ignoring someone they saw nearby on fright, when they still have a good bit of time left on their power. I doubt most of these perks would suddenly suffer from a massive drop in use. Due to being useful and rather powerful.

Borrow time, can make what is normally a very risky save from say the basement, into something that is far less risky and making you the ideal person for the job to pull it off. Since you brought along borrow time. That way, if the killer is chasing a fellow survivor who is leading them towards the basement for some reason or is looping nearby the basement, for some reason. Since it does happen, that survivors will sometimes loop around their hooked team mates. Well no matter the case, you hear the terror radius, which active burrow time. So if the killer doesn't wait out the burrow time or hits the survivor in hopes of slugging them before going after the saver. Well that gives the survivor who got unhooked a speed boost and puts them into mending, helping them to get away or at very least wast time, if the killer really wanted to tunnel them and not say simply slug them for pressure, [aka slug the unhook person, down and hook the saver, while a third person heals the slug person to get three people off gens]. Well in that case, we see more of the killer time is wasted. While allowing 2 survivors to be doing gens all the time. It only takes a little over 6 minutes to do gens, if survivors are not using anything to boost the gen speeds and are working on them solo. Which is why pop is meta on the killer side. It helps to slow down gens. Giving the killer way more time. Something that is otherwise very limited. That and going back to burrow time here. Unhooking, is something you will always be doing in a match, unless you are putting four experience survivors vs a killer who just brought the game or someone that is really bad as killer.

Yet if we look at dead hard, sprint burst, it helps you to get away or at the very least, gives the survivor more time in a chase. Making it take longer, if a killer stays on them and doesn't switch target. Being able to waste the killers time, is always a good thing. Giving their fellow survivors more time to work on gens, without having to unhook someone. Iron will, can make it easier to get away from the killer while injured, to take David. David breathing is soft, while he is loud as heck while injured. Making him way easier to find while injured. Throw on iron will and the killer has a harder time tracking them, which might allow the survivor to get away thanks to that. Giving their team mates all the more time to do gens. Which at some point or another, during a match. A survivor is going to get injured. Making it always have some value or allow you to pull off things like hiding near the killer, without your injured sounds giving you away.

Now what do sprint burst or other perks like it aka dead hard, balance landing and ect, do for the survivor? Makes it easier to get away or give you more time in a chase. Which will always be useful during a match. Iron will, helps you to be sneaky while injured and possibly lose the killer. Burrow time, makes it easier to make safe unhooks. Unhooking fellow survivors also being something common in game. All of these perks and what they share in common, is simple, they benefit the survivor greatly, doing things that are super common in game. Unhooking, being injured or being in chase or to put it simply. It benefits them, for doing things they were already going to do or things that were most likely going to happen anyway in the game aka being injured.

With unbreakable might be the one closest to being purely on the killer actions at first look. Since well to blame Iron Will on the killer, would be akin to yelling at them for trying to win the video game. Yet even unbreakable could pop due to the killer reacting to the survivors actions. Bodyblocking, destroying all nearby hooks. Leading to the Killer a keep on carrying the person in hopes they will get to another hook in time, risk losing the survivor or b drop the survivor, leaving them on the ground to go and stab the other survivors that are busy trying to stop you from hooking their buddy. Which could lead to granting the down survivor, enough time to get back up with unbreakable and escape. That or in cases where whole teams swarm the hook, for some survivor teams are a bit to eager for their own good, to save others. Often leading them to all die, rather than save the person on hook. Due to going Leeroy Jenkins. Leading to slugging being more of a benefit than hooking, just due to survivors swarming around the place like flies. That or survivor after survivor for some reason try to heal a down team mate, while a Oni was in demon dash, making it a error on the survivor part and unbreakable in that case, allows them to fix their error in judgement and give them a second chance. Since a killer can only hook one person at a time. Yet depending on the context, unbreakable could not be due to the killer wanting to slug but due to the survivors making massive leaps and errors in judgement, that lead to them all being downed. Making the killer have to be the nicest person in the world or dumb, to not use a error his foes made against them. There is a reason why the saying. "don't interrupt when your enemy is making a mistake" exists.

Ds, is possibly the only one you could see as the killer fault, normally. Since there are cases of survivors jumping in and out of lockers, sometimes near a gen. Working on a gen in front of the killer's face. In other words, not all survivors use the perk as it was meant for aka counter tunneling but rather employ it in different ways, using it as a 60 second get out of jail free card. Which makes it very powerful, that you can't be touch for 60 seconds and have freedom to do as you please. No matter how stupid or poorly plan your next series of actions are. That and we also have cases of survivors not looking behind them or in front of them, who have habits of running right into the killer, even when the killer is not looking for them. Who get down due to their own poor actions and lack of awareness. Which the only way a killer can ignore ds is to slug. We also have classic cases of farming, survivors unhooking their fellow survivor right in front of the killer without burrow time, trying to farm them. Which in this case, well if the killer slugs before going after the saver, they are still the bad guy. If the killer tries to hook the person again, they are the bad guy for tunneling, when it was the fault of another survivor pulling off a risky/foolish save, without even trying to bodyblock for their team mate. While the saver who made a poor judgement, is forgotten about, which in honestly in that case, the survivor trying to farm should be the one to blame. Yes in some cases it best to go after the saver rather than the injured person, which could be seen as punishing the survivor for trying to farm by some. Yet for the killer, if they can pull it off. Downing the injured survivor [due to no borrow time] and than going after the healthy saver. That would benefit them the most logically. Since it would be the choice that is most likely to get more survivors off gens and force into doing other actions. That or if the survivor does have burrow time, hitting the survivor to force them to mend, could still make them waste time. Which would favor the killer, even if the only person they down is the saver. Since well, the person unhook has to waste time mending and not just healing up to favor.

Alot of things that happen in game depend on context. Since not every match is going to be the same. That and even if every killer played nicely and didn't do anything that might seem unfair or unsportsman like in a match. Meta perks for the most part would still be meta or at least a majority of them would still remain meta, due to how bloody useful they are in general and how you will get used out of them in most, if not every single match you find yourself in.

Survivors: "Don't tunnel!"

Also Survivors: "I'm thirsty for those unhook points, so I'm gonna unhook right in your face every time."

Also survivors 2: "Look! Now the killer is tunneling and camping because he had the nerve to hit me when I unhooked right in their face! I have to run BT and DS now, even though I really just hate to do it. Really don't want to, honest. But now that I'm running them, I'm gonna REALLY unhook right in your face and blame you!"

Doesn't matter which you go after, people will call you a camper because you didn't just walk away whistling and pretending they're not there.

Seriously, even when I do my absolute best to move away from the hook and do something else, some Claudette with BT is hiding in a bush 5 feet away for that instant invulnerable unhook.

Survivors need to stop letting words like "camp" and "tunnel" live rent-free in their minds, or using them as quick go-to excuses. Most killers are just reacting to what survivors are doing because honestly it's the survivors that set the tone and pace of each match.

I'm not complaining that she did it, I'm saying that calling me a camper when it happens is silly, but that's what always happens.

if you want to run BT, fine. If you want to insta-unhook every time, fine. But don't turn around and complain that I didn't just walk away every time you did it.

And no, killers don't set the tone or pace of the match. They can't. It's entirely up to survivors to decide how a match plays out, they have the proactive role in the match. If you want to gen-rush then that's how the game will go. If you're overly altruistic then that's how the game will go. If you all hide in a bush all game, then that's how it'll go.

Killers can only react to the situations that you set up, they can't take initiative and choose what those situations are. Even if they try (By basement camping, for instance) it's 100% up to the survivors to choose if that works or not.

Thats not punishing. The rescuer still gets what he wanted: altruism; a "safe unhook" and a chase. And he'll continue farming his poor tm8s across all matches he plays. You punish by slugging the unhooked, that way they actually lose emblem points and as a bonus someone has to come heal the slug. You can call it being a dick but the majority of this game is about psychological warfare. You know what they say: Mean Killers finish 1st.