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Long wait times for both sides and SWF's
Tried playing earlier on both sides, couldn't find a game for a long time so I quit and played something else. Steamcharts says this game has 50k people playing at the moment...like #########?
Tried again hours later as Killer, ten minute wait, finally get a game and it ends up being a cancerous 4-man SWF group. Here's a kicker too, I thought it was just two streamers in the same lobby since I checked ones profile and they weren't in the same game as any of their friends but they were totally in the same game because they had comms. So I guess SWF's try to hide that they're SWF's now. Started questioning myself awhile back because of that same thing since they seemed very organized as well but they pointed that out. But I guess that turned out to be a big ass lie.
Anyway, while listening in to these streaming SWF's I hear the typical things you'd expect, gen rush here, killers here, t-bagging at the exit gates. I find myself asking the same question each and every time I play against SWF's, how in the holy hell does Behavior think this is at all fun or fair for the Killer? I waited ten minutes to get a game full of SWF's on a ######### large forest map that caused the game to last less than ten minutes. So now I'm even more frustrated because I already had to wait, then deal with that, now I can wait again or wait for Survivor queue which is still long. Psh..probably just go play a different game again.
Has Behavior EVER spoken about this topic in the least bit or are they just continuing to feign ignorance and hopeful that people will just stop complaining about it eventually? This whole SWF thing has been a large cancerous tumor in this games side for a very long time.
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Tbh there isn't a clear answer for SWF situation.
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Well, clearly with the amount of complaints about SWF's in the game from players who play Killer, remaining silent on the issue isn't the best way to resolve it either and to my knowledge, that's all they've done so far. No official statement on it, no public plans of changing it, they don't even acknowledge the fact that Killer's hate it existing in the game and I'm sure plenty of players have provided various means of resolving this issue but again, Behavior has remained totally silent on the subject.
My suggestion would be to just remove it from casual play because it serves no other purpose other than providing Survivor's a severe advantage over the Killer. You can use it all you like in custom games though.
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Either they don't see an issue with it or just can't find a "fair" solution to it to both sides.
because it serves no other purpose other than providing Survivor's a severe advantage over the Killer.Or you know, playing with friends while also earning points and doing rift's challenges easier.
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...and WHY is it easier to do rift challenges easier if you're with your friends? It sounds like you're trying to counter what I just said with that statement...
The only scenario where they wouldn't have that severe advantage over the Killer would be if they didn't have comms but seeing as how there's no way to prevent anyone from using comms outside of the game, that's just a very unlikely scenario.
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Healing challenges, unhook challenges. Heck even repair generator challenges.
And i didn't say they didn't? I'm just saying what SWF brings.
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I've had 2 games total on dbd in the last 3 days. Thurs was swf lobby and my sensitivity is that bad I couldn't hit anything 0 kills. Fri again swf lobby and again I couldn't hit anything because of the new sensitivity update so again 0 kills.
I've gone from playing nearly everyday as the killer playing game after game after game to hardly even bothering to turn it on. I can only take swf lobbies so much before it gets to the point where the game is unfair as you stated. I also could not take the t-baggin during chases, t-bagging at exit gates, pallet drop then flashed everytime ,windows used 3 times, 3 survivors stood in way of hook and so on from the swf lobbies. Most of this is because they're allowed to use comms on the game. Then the abuse on the PS4 messages because I killed one of them.
Personally I'd rather wait longer for games than to have to q against swf lobbies or lobbies that are unbalanced with ranks.
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I've had 2 games total on dbd in the last 3 days. Thurs was swf lobby and my sensitivity is that bad I couldn't hit anything 0 kills. Fri again swf lobby and again I couldn't hit anything because of the new sensitivity update so again 0 kills.
I've gone from playing nearly everyday as the killer playing game after game after game to hardly even bothering to turn it on. I can only take swf lobbies so much before it gets to the point where the game is unfair as you stated. I also could not take the t-baggin during chases, t-bagging at exit gates, pallet drop then flashed everytime ,windows used 3 times, 3 survivors stood in way of hook and so on from the swf lobbies. Most of this is because they're allowed to use comms on the game. Then the abuse on the PS4 messages because I killed one of them.
Personally I'd rather wait longer for games than to have to q against swf lobbies or lobbies that are unbalanced with ranks.
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To these whiny killers:
- The devs just nerfed gen co-op speed and great skill check progression significantly, while also modifying many maps to remove strong loops. To my knowledge, killers received no nerfs in the most recent patch.
- How do you propose the developers stop voice comms? Make Dead by Daylight force close while Discord is open? There is literally no point in bringing this topic up; there is absolutely nothing that can be done about comms outside of Dead by Daylight.
- Have you considered changing your playstyle, knowing they are SWF? Camp hooks?
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- Doesn't help if they're organized and Prove Thyself negates the changes anyway. Also, what is your logic? If one side is nerfed the other side has to be at the same exact time for every patch? Whatever Behavior decides something needs to be nerfed they'll do it when they get to it. SWF's have been a gigantic pain in this game for a VERY long time though and nothing has been said about it whatsoever from them. No Killer in the history of this game has ever liked playing against SWF's.
- I've already acknowledged that it's impossible to stop voice comms outside of DbD, the suggestion I already made was to remove SWF from casual lobbies altogether. There's no point in it existing other than to give Survivor's an extremely unfair advantage.
- Right, because it's always the person who's playing Killer that's just not good enough. "Git Gud Killer hur! hur!" Just totally disregard the fact that I said I played on one of the few maps that are still huge which they haven't changed yet and camp hooks? Seriously? If it's a team of SWF's the chances of all of them having Borrowed Time and Decisive Strike are almost guaranteed.
That's the kind of attitude everyone expects to see from Survivor mains.
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Update: 100% confirmed that SWF's can hide that they're SWF's. I know it for a fact now because the last two games I had were against SWF's! I carefully looked on each persons profile in their friends list and saw that it only says they're online. Sometimes it says they're in DbD so you can tell who's an SWF and who isn't by comparing lobby names. So I guess it's a privacy setting on Steam or something. Can't really show proof because I don't know if that'd be considered 'naming and shaming' on the forums, even though these SWF scumbags deserve to be shamed.
Be careful out there, fellow Killer's. I never supported the idea of backing out of a lobby until now. It's just way too unfair to even bother.
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The game is broken right now most of the killer i know stop playing because of the bug the only one in my friend list who still play main nurse so he dont care about the bug they dont happen to him
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That's just hiding "Game Details" or whatever on Steam, it hides if they're in-game and the games info part of their profile (like 3 most recently played games + the hours they have in them and achievements). It doesn't hide SWF at all because if someone is on another player's friends list with the same avatar and name as another survivor in the lobby then it's obviously the same person and they're together.
And no, they don't "deserve to be shamed". They're not doing anything that's against any rules whatsoever.
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Dude.... I’m a survivor main and the gens still go fast asf. Stop using words like “significantly” when the gen speeds still go flying and prove thyself got a buff.
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Do something with server capacity. As a killer, I am waiting 5 minutes for match. As survivor, I am waiting 10 minutes. #########?
50k people playing right now. Its 5PM in the mid EU ! I don't understand to this waiting time. I can switch surv/killer, but it's for BOTH !
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I study law and according to my lecturers this constitutes a breach of contract. So I am currently building a case to take Behavior to court. The user agreement states that no third party programs or tools are to be used that would give you an unfair advantage in the game. This includes but is not specific to comms usage on discord. As a company that runs an online game that they advertise and sell, they are providing a service and as far as I am aware, in Canada, whilst providing a service which is advertised, the product or service has to be up to scratch as far as what you have promised and what you deliver. Since they have never been vocal about this issue I am building a case to sue them. As a customer and consumer of this product I feel like my gameplay experience is negatively impacted due to Behaviors lack of response to clear breaches of their user agreement. This aversion to enforcing rules that they have written makes my experience of a service I have purchased worse. It is within their power to fix it but they don't. That is negligence. So...
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Rank 1 killer, South-East asia region.
10 Second queues at night time, doing good.
10-15 minute survivor queues tho (at night).
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I suggest you keep studying then because A) You're not a lawyer, and B) Aside from a whole lot of ineffectual wanking I can't see anything to suggest you'd have a case:
- There are no terms within the EULA that could be construed as applying to Voice Communications. Even their cheating clauses are limited to modifying the game directly, so you might want to get your facts together before wasting your (non-existent) money on a cromulent lawsuit. https://store.steampowered.com/eula/381210_eula_0
- Even if there was a clause that could apply, BHVR are not required to enforce any of the rights that it has under the EULA. That is written in plain text. This is also why they include Section D: Waiver, which essentially says that they don't waive a right by not exercising it. Hence terms within the EULA cannot be construed as a consumer guarantee because BHVR openly declare they they're not required to enforce any of the terms, but they reserve the right to do so at their sole discretion.
- Big problem for you: BHVR officially condone using voice communications in SWF due to their Official Discord server having dozens of voice channels specifically for SWF players to communicate with one another. https://discord.gg/nMZKbh
Have fun with your lawsuit; Let me know when you end up bankrupt so I can laugh at you.
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At this time for me, I get killer lobbies almost instantly and survivor takes a long time. Four hours earlier, I got survivor lobbies instantly and killer is an age-long wait.
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That's why I said I am looking to build a case. You could be one hundred percent correct and this could be an exercise in futility. I see that there could be cause for concern based on the user agreement and Canadian contract law. I am not certain, and as I say I am only studying it. As I say my lecturer was interested in helping me look into. Even if it's only for practice and a learning experience.
Then again, if we look into this and see that there might be a rock solid case to be made then I might just go ahead and file suit. Not saying that I definitely will.
I appreciate the input though as it does serve as food for thought. Sorry if I offended you in some way, I mean the tone of your reply was a bit agitated. Never meant to piss anyone off. Just broaching the subject as I think it needs to be discussed.
I am pretty certain that in the section regarding modding, it mentions using third party programs to gain an advantage. I would argue that discord and SWF are under that bracket of being a third party program and being an unfair advantage.
Ill let you know how it goes after I look into it more.
P.S. I'm not stupid enough to pour money into a lawsuit I don't think I can win, which, once again, is why I said I was 'building' a case. I didn't say I had one.
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Let me save you a lot of trouble:
If you continue jerking yourself to the idea of suing BHVR you're going to lose.
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Yes, even more than you lose to SWF lobbies like me and my friends, cuck.
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You are obviously a troll. And a Donald Trump supporting troll at that.
I feel nothing but pity for you.
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Apologies for the Necropost, but this was too good to ignore...
I don't actually live in North America, support Donald Trump or have any opinion on US politics for that matter... And it might come as some surprise to you that North America only accounts for approximately 7% of the world's population and hence, automatically assuming I'm a Trump supporter is a pretty unsafe bet that shows that your skills in the laws of probability are almost as bad as your skill in law.
Oh and keep the pity, it's a precious commodity best used on yourself.
Edit: Oh! It's actually only 5% now, not 7% - Whoops!
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