Can we talk seriously about effective real anti-facecamping mechanisms?

Rank 3 Survivor. Rank 5 Killer. I've been playing off-and-on for two years, several times a week for the last eight months.

My suggested mechanism: Hook timers do not deplete if the Killer is within a limited proximity to the hook. If it is second hook then the struggle animation does not activate until the Killer leaves the radius. If the Killer returns then the need to mash/mouse scroll/etc vanishes and the Survivor is suspended until the Killer leaves again.

I agree with most of what the previous comment said. Punishing the Killers would only lead to problems as already the Killer community feels victimized regardless of what changes are made in their favor (or how the statistics show that Survivors escape less than half of every game played). The solution would have to be nuanced and even then it would be reacted to in a total outrage... Which is why it will never, ever happen.

That said, I think that some sort of change to the hook that forced Killers to back up just a little bit in order to have the timer end would be fair method. I am not talking out of eye distance or like 20 yards away or anything. More just a little bit of a buffer.

I like this suggestion - it’s very similar to the mending effect, if you are being chased or engaged within a proximity of a killer, then the timer doesn’t start - same with Pig traps.

I like mechanism 2. But that would mean a save safe for the hooked survivor at any time, taking pressure away, especially if the survivors take their time to rescue him. So, to balance it out, i think the same bubble should be around generators, so no generator can be worked on as long as the survivor is hooked. The other survivors have to rescue him anyway, so that seems fair. It should be a protective mechanism, not a pressure mechanism for survivors, right?

lets just have survivors die on the first hook! Problem solved no more crying for you guys that don't do gens when this happens.

Anti camping measures were taken a long time ago. Survivors abused it by skirting the radius so the killer had to stay with a delayed hook timer or give a free unhook. Any anticamping mechanism can be abused and according to the past experiences, it will be.

Edit: in particular to facecamping i get that but also before that rework bubba cause thats all he has going for him right now

Just Say you want free unhooks we all know thats what you want

The issue isn't being eliminated from the game first. The issue is having a game ruined by a killer who is ######### at the game. Standing still isn't playing a game. It is done to ruin the game for someone. I don't care if I have died first when a killer has played properly. It is ######### when you have got hooked and had to stay there for a couple of minutes waiting to die because the killer doesn't move. It isn't a strategy it is an attempt to ruin a game for someone. It is boring. Then those same players cry for longer gen times.

The game isn't to eliminate someone from the game as soon as possible in a way that isn't even playing a game. You are stood still.

I've never camped and never tunnelled and I won't ever do it either. It is for ######### players who get off on ruining an experience for someone else.

That’s a very bad idea. As a killer, if I find myself playing against a very heroic team that sacrifices gen repairs to all go for save, I always scout out the area because I know they will be here.

survivors should not be made useless just because one person is hooked - just like how the killer isn’t made useless for having a survivor hooked

The developers say that camping is a valid strategy. Are you saying your opinion outranks theirs on what is or isn't intended?

Stop unhooking and killer will always leave hook.

Yea no all of what you said would be broken AF for one simple reason: Survivors swarming hook. Face Camping is a legit strat because you can't do anything else when they are swaming hook. With your mechanics you would completely screw over killers who don't have a choice but too camp. Whether you like it or not the best way too stop a camper is too do gens. he'll either keep camping and depip or he'll start pressuring gens. These changes would never work and would break the game.

Some killers can quite literally do that, spirit, nurse, ghostface, deathslinger, pig.. lol Are you forgetting abilities that prevent terror radius, or that they can appear anywhere, or that they have a low terror radius?

And no, in fact, no one is entitled to ANYTHING in the game. You have to earn that - but you shoulddn't sabotage the game and yourself in favour of getting another thing in the match.

Killers have insta-downs, perks that make survivors exposed for unhooking - rendering a perk like BT useless in both aspects (the rescuer and the victim). If a survivor gets unhooked and downed, and placed on hook that automatically skips the entirety of stage 1/2 and puts them on the next stage. Some killers even create extra objectives in the game; hexes, traps, teleporters, etc.

DS'd? What are you talking about? they can only use decisive after they've been unhooked lol. If another survivor is body blocking then hit the other survivor? that applies more pressure on the survivor team and means that there's only TWO people doing generators (Which is good for the killer????). Most hooks spawn within a small distance of eachother, so if a hook gets sabo'd in front of you, you can probably get to another before they wiggle off, also again, if someone is sabotaging, you can hit them to stop the animation - and again to remind you, that's one less survivor doing a generator.

No, a killer doesn't kill you by hooking you. Your argument is far worse than mine because you use the argument of gen-rushing but use examples where there are LESS players working on generators and giving you the opportunity to injure them/stagger them.

The game is in fact designed for surviors to get away constantly. The highest killer rate according to dev published stats is 2.6 per game. Someone is literally always escaping.

.6 difference in movement speed takes over 12 seconds in a sprint no obstacles to close a gap. If a survivor never uses pallets or sprint burst. With adrenaline after first hit this repeats once 25seconds wasted if you literally just run in a straight line. Use any method you like to give yourself 20 seconds and you've won.

Given surviors are only responsible for 105 seconds each for objective to escape

a killer has to have 35 seconds find chase down carry hook for a 12 hook game 12 times perfectly. Anytime a killer looses that 35 seconds he looses the game.

The only mechanical way for a killer to play and win is to use tunneling to eliminate players early reducing pressure and

to camp to secure kills, punish over altruism and remove the uncertainty of a extra chase.

I would argue that camping a hook state at least once in midgame is the only way to win as a m1 killer unless your skills are above top notch 24/7 streamers.

Otherwise killers are entirely reliant on player mistakes and I do admit that players make mistakes leading to a 4k. But thats the only reason 4ks are possible.

Pretend you made robots play the game... survivors would win 100% of the time basegame. You can't say the game isn't built for them.

I pretty much never camp, because it simply isn't a winning strategy. If I were to camp against competent players, I would get run over.

When I do end up camping, it's because survivors practically followed me to the hook and insisted on also being hooked themselves. All because they were too thirsty for unhooking points or something.

The punishment for camping is already pretty much built-in. It's a losing strategy.

ive gotten majority 3k and 4k after the patch and used mori once when a swf bm'd me other than that its just been me chasing down dirty survs as the good doctor. Sometimes i may "tunnel" or "camp" but only when its really gonna turn the tide in my favor also why would tunneling or camping be lazy its like a killer saying why do these survivors need to gen rush are they just lazy

Literally all of those mechanisms are abuseable.

Now... Why do killers camp and tunnel? Well, its simple. The game heavily rewards them for doing so.

Consider this cycle. Killer hooks someone. Finds someone and starts chasing. Someone goes for the unhook and gets it. Killer downs the person they're chasing. Downed person goes up on the hook. Repeat. At most points in that cycle, the Killer is occupying 3 survivors with things that aren't generators. Where's the 4th guy? Well, outside of certain killer power shenanigans, he's doing Gens. Which means the Killer has to race through that cycle as quickly as possible before all the gens get done. The killer may have to go through that cycle 8 times before any of the Survivors are out of the game.

Now, what happens to that cycle if the killer stacks their first 3 hooks on one Survivor? Well that guy's out of the game and then the Killer can do the Cycle with the 4th gen guy... just straight up gone. So now instead of having to outrace someone concentrating on Gens, he just has to outrace the Unhooked and Hook Rescuer's occasional brief time on gens. Which is way easier.

So how do we get Killers to spread the love? Two mechanics. First, a Skewered debuff on survivors. For each hook state the survivor has progressed, they repair X% slower. Second, a Desperation Bonus. For each dead Survivor, the remaining Survivors repair X% faster.

This means that a death hook survivor is less of a threat than a fresh one. He also represents potentially giving the remaining survivors a fairly substantial buff. Currently, a death hook survivor is merely a juicy target because one more hook on them means ~25% of your opponent's strength is just straight up gone. If X was 10% and all 3 other survivors are fresh... then that former juicy target is now ~20% of the survivors' strength and killing them will give the survivors a ~30% buff.

What about survivors running near the hook and killer is chasing them? You hook radius what have to be small to account for this