Toxicity
Toxicity is on both sides. I don't care what you say. Killers and survivors can be toxic. For example my last game. I was sandbagged by a Zarina multiple times and saved in front of the killer with no borrowed time by her. The Killer tunneled and face camped. There were 4 gens left. I don't know why he felt the need to secure a kill at 4 gens.
So if anyone ever tells you only side is toxic. They, themselves, might be a toxic person (in the game).
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Nobody says killers are never toxic. What's (accurately) said is that survivors are disproportionately toxic.
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Which is absolutely false.
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Not in my experience, but maybe we just have different teammates and killers.
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But to your point, yes, both sides can be - and are - toxic.
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I agree with @Orion , survivors tend to be more toxic than killers. But just my experience.
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Really I have gotten way more toxic messages from survivors than I have from killers . A killer does something a survivor doesn't like he is deemed toxic .
Survivors can body block hooks, blind a killer over and over again, t bag at every palet, click flash light , t bag at the exit gates, and my personal favorite the end game chat / messages saying how v yeah the killer was because he did something the survivor didn't like.
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What a surprise that you see more toxic Survivors when there are 4 times more Survivors than Killers. Mindblowing.
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Just because there are more survivors doesn't make the toxicity ok. You don't have to trash talk someone after a match
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Messages - absolutely. For starters, there are 4 survivors to every 1 killer, so statistically, from a post-game chat standpoint, survivors are literally 4x more likely to be toxic. LOL But there is a reason for this. The level of toxicity I see from survivors in post-game chat when I AM a survivor also vs. the level of toxicity in chat I see when I play Killer is vastly different. I almost never get hate chat as Killer. But I see survivors in post-game upset all the damn time. Why? Because Killers IN-GAME behavior breeds toxicity that survivors have no recourse against UNTIL post-game chat.
In-game, Killers have MUCH MORE opportunity to be toxic in a way that ACTUALLY EFFECTS the games outcome. For example: facecamping someone ruins their entire match, especially if its the first person hooked. They get zero points. There is nothing they can do to change their circumstance once hooked. They will depip. They will spend less time in the match itself than they did in the lobby. Regardless of the fact that this is allowed, that doesn't mean it isn't toxic. And not only does it ruin the match for that one person, it ruins it for all four survivors with the fact that it A) sucks all the fun out of the game and B) tanks everyone's emblems, even if they escape. So in this instance, in game there is nothing survivors can do to combat this toxicity or relieve this frustration. The only point at which THEY can do anything is post-game chat. Hense why it is so spicy.
A survivor teabagging or clicking a flashlight at you might get in your head and annoy you, but it doesn't quite literally ruin your match or end it quicker than it took you to get through a lobby wait. And Killers employ that type of play style almost every single match.
Lets be real, body blocking hooks is more of a detriment these days than a help. It simply allows the killer to injure survivors while going to one of several close hooks, since hook changes and map changes have made wiggling almost an impossibility without multiple body blocks...which rarely happen. Teabagging at the exit gate is probably the most common thing I see from survivors when I play either side and I think it's the dumbest thing. There is nothing cool or edgy about standing on the exit like being insulting, when you know there is no risk. You aren't confident for doing so, you're just a pussy. LOL I don't do this as a survivor, I dont care about this as a Killer. Its as bad as people who make an insulting comment in chat and then immediately leave because they can dish it out but they can't take it. But again, it doesn't effect the actual outcome of the game. That person would have escaped either way.
You also have the fact that Killers have in-match retribution. Survivors do not...teabagging at the exit gate is probably as close to in-match retribution as a survivor gets. If a Killer is face camping or tunneling you...what retribution do you have? Not much except expressing your frustration in post-game chat. If a survivor is teabagging and flashlighting you, you can literally murder them in game. LOL Killers have a much better opportunity to relieve their in-match frustration than survivors do. Especially against solo teams.
IMO, toxicity is pretty equal in quantity but only one side truly effects the outcome for other players in the majority of cases. There are simply more camp/tunnel Killers than SWAT teams. It just occurs differently inside/outside of the match. Killers are more toxic inside a match, survivors are more toxic outside of a match.
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First of all, the word "toxic" is just a phrase. It does not have any meaning anymore, people consider everything what they dont like as "toxic" nowadays.
Second, being a dick is not a democratic process. Like, there are more Survivors so they are entitled to be dicks. What I meant is that it is just logical that there are more people who dont behave in a normal way, because there are more players in general.
(Furthermore, players will remember the "toxic" Survivor, but not so much the three guys who were nice)
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Did I say more survivors were toxic? Nope. I said they were disproportionately toxic. As in "even taking into account that there are 4 times more survivors than killers (i.e.: taking into account he proportion of survivors to killers), survivors are still toxic more often than killers".
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Disagree on that one.
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There are way more toxic survivors than killers. I don't consider camping / tunneling / mori's toxic, so that doesn't count. It is once in a blue moon I will see a killer cussing and raging in chat. I will see survivors rage every few games.
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That's what my experience over the years has shown, so it is at least true for the players I've been matched with.
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You're welcome to your opinion, as everyone is, but eliminating people's ability to play the game and tanking their rank while doing so is toxic. If survivors could use their combined force to tie up the Killer and taser the entity from helping them escape for an entire match so that they could just do gens and leave with no other effort, Killers would find this incredibly toxic. LOL rightfully so. There is a time and place for most play styles, but just ruining someone's match out of the gate is a toxic way to approach this game as Killer.
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Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Making you lose isn't toxic.
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I don't think using any of the ingame mechanics is toxic. The most toxic thing you can do as a survivor is let your team die on purpose. The most toxic thing you can do as a killer is waste 4 minutes of someone's life by slugging them to death.
What I consider toxic is telling people to off themselves in the endgame chat, or that their family doesn't love them, or any other of the dumb things I hear survivors tell the killer in the endgame screen. It is almost never the other way around.
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Haven't had too many killers saying they want me house to burn down with me in it,or that they just embarrassed me on there stream or get my gaming ig and try to live chat with me after I blocked them.
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When you say disproportionately are you accounting for the fact that there are 4 more survivors than killers in a trial?
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I've had a couple
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Because there's one killer per game to 4 survivors per game.
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So then there are more toxic survivors than toxic kilers?
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Theres alot of toxic people in the community. it dosent have anything to do with being survivor or killer. People saying theres more toxic survivors/toxic killer are generalizing one side as being worst when its just more people on one side which makes the toxicity more noticable. I notice more toxicity from the killer side but i dont think that means theres more toxic killers then survivors.
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Except that's not true really. The fact just is you're meeting 4 people at once. The odds of one being an ######### are higher whereas with a killer you're meeting one at a time with a higher queue time. What you will find in reality is that the people who are toxic on one side tend to be the same people that do it on the other.
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I'm meeting two survivors and one killer, actually, since I always play SWF. Still find overwhelmingly more toxic survivors than killers. That's been my experience.
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I'm a survivor main and I get at least 3 or 4 nasty messages a week from other survivors. I can't recall the last time I got a nasty message from a killer. Survivors are disproportionately toxic post game. On these forums I think the toxicity is pretty evenly divided.
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Your name proves my point . Jk . Out if all my survivor matches I have only had 1 killer send me a toxic message and all they said was good luck. This v was before a match where he killed everyone but me.
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True, but killers can't bully survivors, they can't get help from anyone, survivors are the root of toxcicity because behavior allows them to be bullies, and while they don't technically encourage it, the game is obviously set up to let them do it.
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