10 games in a row with Wraith at rank 1. Not a single depip. Tell me how the Wraith is bad.

Legion also pips easy. Are they not bad? (Well actually I think Legion is mostly in a good spot but disregard that)

At the minute I don't think anyone is saying wraith is bad. Currently he's B tier I believe and is higher with good add-ons.

It's good to see you did well with him and looked like you got a lot of points which is great.

Also I appreciate you saying some games you just can't win. Some people don't seem to like that idea but it's good that you understand it. We all have those games where we can't do anything about the loss. Whether this be by our killer, map, gen placement or survivors.

The main problem with Wraith is that he is SO HIGHLY add-on dependent in order to reach any sort of viability. Yes, he can do really well, and people can keep up in red ranks while not using super underhanded. But simply put, the consistent BP requirement for add-ons can be a turn-off for some people.

I've started trying to play without add-ons as I'm trying to level up a few different characters and killers like the Wraith just suck to play without add-ons.

I like you, bro.

10 matches, only 2 red-ranked matches without disconnect, one with jigsaw map + hex, one without exhaust perks... you can't be serious.

People don’t think Wraith is bad in a “you can’t win using this killer” way, but comparatively his power is weaker than others.

He can go invisible, but it’s not true invisibility since survivors can still see him. He has to spend time going invisible and reappearing, during which survivors can run to safety. He’s really not that fast while cloaked without add ons, and he slows down considerably to uncloak. He has to hit everyone twice since he has no instadown in his kit, which can take a while. He’s extremely noisy, and his bell gives him away when uncloaking. He can be light burned while cloaked and he suffers a 5 second pallet stun while cloaked.

Compare him to Spirit who can rematerialise at will and attack instantly, goes truly invisible, is fast and extremely hard to hear while phasing, and has a strong base kit without add ons. Their powers aren’t the same and they don’t play the same but Spirit is objectively better in almost every way.

I enjoy playing Wraith as well, don’t get me wrong, but he just has too many weaknesses in his kit to consider him one of the best. Strong add ons make him better but that’s true of every killer.

No one is saying that you shouldn't use those addons, but as many users have already mentioned: People place wraith low on tier lists because they feel he is very addon dependant and you postet 10 wins while using strong addons so you haven't disproved this argument.

Of course you can discuss if tierlists should includes addons or not, because most players in high rank will use addons but I think many people think about wraith, that he will do significantly worse without addons than other killers would, so they place him lower on tier lists.

Most players (including red ranks) are not as good at the game as they should be due to the fact it's WAY too easy to pip and rank up on both sides. On top of that rank reset is still bugged (since release). Many people kept their ranks despite rank reset.

As a result even the worst killers may feel like they are actually strong. That's why Scott won 32 games as speed limiter Bubba which is basically a default killer with no power. That's why I haven't lost a single game as Bubba for years now.

Wraith's power is strong when it comes to finding survivors but pretty useless when it comes to downing them if they know what they are doing (which is rarely the case as most red rank survivors have like <100 hours in the game these days).

As a result Wraith FORCES the player to use the "hit and run strategy".

If you just want to chase and down people the conventional way - Wraith will often get run into oblivion even by solo players that are "OK" at the game including myself:

As you can see I basically started the chase injured and exhausted and still had enough ways to run Wraith for 5 gens ON A REWORKED MAP.

Now imagine the following scenario:

- a coordinated SWF team instead of a bunch of solos

- competent survivors that work on gens while injured and don't go down immediately instead of people that drop the shack pallet at 5 gens and still get injured (notice how the shack pallet is already dropped in the video AND everyone was injured)

- meta survivor builds (I was running some "meh" perks without adrenaline)

- multiple toolboxes with addons to make them somewhat viable despite the nerfs (brand new part is still decent)

Please stop with the wraith is good posts! I hate playing against him! We dont need to increase his popularity. At all!!!!

That being said, anyone who takes the time to really get to know a killer can do well with them. There really aren't any killers who can't ever win.

Agreed. That's why I said it's too easy to pip and rank up "on both sides".

As a result people seem to think a killer, a perk or a specific build is strong when in reality the success of said killer, perk or build was the result of bad or mediocre players that got to red and purple ranks way too quickly/easily.

That Wraith player was surprisingly chill to be honest. He didn't even camp me and still got 2 kills by slugging the others with NOED. I was expecting some salty post game messages but nothing. I gotta give it to him he really kept his cool even though I was a little cheeky haha.

If I get 10 4k's in a row as speed limiter bubba at rank 1, does that mean he's good? Not at all. Ranks don't mean anything and pipping doesn't mean much either.

Wraith is good with addons but his basekit is pretty bad imo.

The thing about people saying "X is good" or "X is bad" is that they're usually referring to a scale that basically goes from 0 to 1.

If something isn't 1 then it's 0.

It's hard to take community views at face value without some thought and experience of ones' own.

No one ever said you can't 4k with wraith but compared to other killers he's still bad. End of story.

But this is also something people just say, that "people say Wraith is trash but.." no people don't say that. More or less everyone think Wraith is mid or low tier and many thinks he's underrated. But very very few would say that he is a pile of trash, so you are also wrong.

he isnt.

he is a very solid killer, its just that there are others that are stronger / have more versitatile or straight up deadlier powers, which is why he is rather low on most tier lists.

if you know how to play him he can be quite strong though.

Success is just as much dependent on the survivors you run into as it is the killer you choose. Wraith is extremely add on dependent, and it also depends on who you run into and their loadout. I typically run OoO and Sprint Burst. A Wraith is typically looking at at least 10-15 seconds before I even have to start looping a tile. Results don't change the fact that he has next to nothing in a chase.

I think you can become good and perform well with any killer. That's not what determines the 'viability' of that killer. You can 4K as demo or clown for 100 matches in a row with a little bit of luck and a lot of focus. Doesn't mean they shouldn't tweak/rework clown.

I find that this argument sticks around for a long time due to the amount of people who have less experience with Wraith. He is different in the sense that you have to play him a bit different than the usual Killer. I have seen plenty of people who haven't realized this, and then yes he becomes a lot weaker. But use him right, he can be quite strong.

Wraith is not a great killer because he depends on addons if you want to use his power effectively. That's the only thing that makes him sub-par in my eyes.