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A Movement to Increase Bloodpoint Gains
I feel it is common knowledge in this game that the grind is not only real, but ridiculously long. Most people also know that saving up to 1 million bloodpoints only levels a character to anywhere between level 35-40 (depending on your bloodwebs and how efficient you are with them). Regular survivor games usually give 15,000 and 25,000, and killers probably average 20,000, but these are all circumstantial on performance.
Perhaps the bloodpoints the game rewards you used to work years ago. When there were 5 survivors and like 3 killers. However, these days, with the amount of characters there are in the game and the teachables you need to unlock to actually have fun, the grind seems endless. Perks like BBQ and WGLF seem mandatory to use because otherwise it feels like a waste of time to spend all that time only to get 18,000 BP, which usually won't even level up a character who's already at least 30. You changed Hex: Ruin because so many killers were using it. Now you should realise why so many people use BBQ. Yes, tracking, but the BP is one of the most common reasons people use it. WGLF needs major buffing so it's not a useless perk DURING the trial.
Only after you spend hundreds and hundreds of hours playing the game do you start to have viable perk builds. The teachables that are strong are usually on weak killers (looking at you Bubba and Clown). The Shrine is absolutely garbage most of the time. No, I don't want Beast of Prey or Bloodhound. No, I don't want Poised or Buckle Up.
Something needs to be done in order to allow people to gain an actual interest in this game and want to commit to playing it. It's currently very deterring and quite daunting to realise how much time you need to put in so you can unlock perks. Not to mention how most characters are locked behind a paywall (I paid for it, now I have to put in so much effort to unlock the perks!).
This forum thread recently brought to my attention how utterly ridiculous the BP in Dead by Daylight is (and I would highly recommend checking out the math, it really puts it into perspective):
The 1.5x bloodrush event recently was amazing. I get that bloodrush events are 'special', but how obvious does it need to be for BHVR to realise that this is closer to what you should be rewarding your players? Things need to be changed in this game to move forward. More bloodpoints. More perks in the Shrine. Up the bloodpoint cap to 2 million. The game has 21 survivors and 19 killers (soon to be 22 and 20 with the new chapter coming soon). There aren't single digits of each role anymore. It's time to start rewarding players with more BP so they can actually PLAY THE GAME. Forcing players to put in hundreds upon hundreds of hours of dedication AND spend money buying DLC characters (cause lets face it, the Shrine will barely ever give you something worthwhile) is insulting and bad design.
I really just wanted to make this post because I would really like people to pressure BHVR to fix this issue. Yes, I know there are lots of other things in the game that need to fixed. But I feel like this is a core issue to the game that has been around for a long time; ever since there has been a decently sized roster of characters and perks. It wouldn't even be difficult to implement. Just do it like a bloodrush event. Or, double the amount of BP you get in-game (for actions you do; healing, unhooking, sacrificing, using your power, etc) and double the 32,000 cap.
Please, BHVR. This game is fun and addicting (for me anyway). But I am VERY unmotivated to play because I have to use the same characters and perks over and over again just to unlock a few more perks on ONE character. Not to mention I have to grind survivor and killer SEPARATELY.
I think 99% of your player-base would love and appreciate more bloodpoints. This isn't even the only way to fix the grind. Remove tiered perks. Do something. The newer players, like myself, who do not have nearly enough perks unlocked, are not having fun and are struggling to remain interested in DBD. Please do something?
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Hey, thanks for mentioning my thread!
Glad to see someone took the time to read it and put together their thoughts in another thread.
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Something needs to give for sure. I still think the best znswer is removung tge tiered perks and implementing an addon/item buy back. But more bps would work too
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I would love to see an increase. I'm tired of using BBQ and chili for grinding BP to get through the bloodwebs to have a chance of the perk I'm looking for. 1.5x or some way to not have it keep giving me relentless six webs in a row.
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No worries. I really liked that thread cause while I was bothered by the grind, I didn't realise why until I read it. Very informative 😀
I also like that idea. Not sure what would work better, more BPs or just removing the tiers, but I'll take either at this point.
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It was a great thread. Needs more up votes.
I thought about this last night and just wanted to mention for anyone else going through this, if you get all the teachables then you can use the shrine of secrets for an extra 650,000. Cost 8000 iri shards but it helps
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It's funny how more and more threads about the grind pop up yet I've never seen a dev give their opinion. This being said, I still have to thank the devs! The guaranteed 2 perks pepper bloodweb and archives are a MASSIVE help, so i must congratulate them for those changes. I have several ideas on things that could help with the grind, but the biggest one is.... Make the 1.5x bloodhubt we had permenant. It wasn't a colossal increase of points awarded per match, but it was enough to feel right.
And why not one à 2x bloodhunt every first Sunday of the month?
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Yes! I've seen plenty of these kinds of threads, but I really just want something official from someone from BHVR. It isn't hard to just tell your community what you think about a really common topic, and whether or not you will do something about it.
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I 100% agree decreasing the grind is needed because it can be ridiculous. However I’m not sure simply increasing BP gain is the answer. The biggest part of the BP grind is getting perks. So instead I would heavily increase the occurrence of perks in the bloodweb.
These are the changes I would make:
Teachables at:
25-30-35
Perks at:
1-10: 1 perk
11-20: 2 Perks
20-30: 3 perks; Entity takes 1
30-40: 4 perks; Entity takes 2
40-50: 5 Perks; Entity takes 2
50+: 6 Perks Entity takes 3
Shrine:
8 Perks
The problem with simply making a BP gain increase is that it would inflate the rest of the bloodpoint economy. There would be a huge increase in MORI’s, OP items and OP add ons. You would have Huntress’ with Iri head and Ebonies and Spirit’s with Mother Daughter-Amulet combo with Ebonies every game. Meanwhile survivors would be running why syringes and maxed out flashlights every game. Most brown add ons would see 0 play time. It would inflate the market. So if they were to add BP gain increase they would need to also make OP add ons, items and offerings a lot rarer. At Lv50 there’s an ebony like every 3 bloodwebs.
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I don’t mind where the bloodpoints are that much, people say survivor bp is low but it’s fine considering bp is split between four people doing objectives or altruistic actions where killer does everything to receive his bp. But if you think now is bad you should go to 2016 when one lvl 50 web was about 1 mil points
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Very true. I think bloodwebs need reworking, or how you attain perks need changing. I saw some suggestion of separate BP for killer and survivor. Meaning; you earn the same BP every match, but the 20,000 you get from 1 killer game goes towards your killer BP and your survivor BP. Seemed interesting in that you don't earn more BP, it just allows you level both sides. Plus I feel like that wouldn't inflate the BP economy.
Yeah but in 2016 there less than 10 characters on either side. It made more sense to have expensive bloodwebs at Level 50. Now people have 40 characters to level and get teachables. It no longer makes sense.
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Honestly? I'd rather go with the BP Increase + Actually making Ultra Rare add-ons.. You know, rare.
Because right now they're too common for them to be called "Ultra Rare". I see BPS much less than I see UR add-ons.
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How would untiered perks work?
They'd have to be stuck at a certain point. For example with each tier is an increase in something about the perk. What stage would they be set to permanently? Tier 1 or Tier 3? Also perks would probably need to be more rare. We'd only need to get the perk once for it to be strong.
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Tier 3 would just become the default. Nothing else needs to change
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Facts. When the 50% sale was up, I bought like 4 killers to get their perks and put them on the killers I want. Unlocking teachables and then putting them on your desired killer is an ever bigger grind because now you have to spend unlimited BP to get lucky and get those perks to level 3
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If they remove tiers then there would be no point in ranking up your character to lvl50 because you would get all the perks before you even reach level 30
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Items and addons, and to say you did
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I think we should remove perk tiers and have the tier 3 version be the default. That would significantly cut down on the grind. You'd have all perks in the game for a character shortly after reaching level 50.
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Nah, it takes longer than 30 levels. You would probably get all of them at level 50 or a bit after. There's way too many perks in the game to get them before level 30.
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That would depend on how many teachables you got
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I personally dont like to bring items to the game even though i have hundreds of them but rather plunder during a match. I have dont really see red ranks survivors bring items that often either
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There are 77 survivor perks and 69 killer perks. As much as I'd like a grind reduction, that would cut it too much though, especially since at lv50 you get to pick two perks per bloodweb.
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You can expect 100% an answer like:
"We have acknowledged that and we are looking into it".
But yes,removing perks tiers or remove the bonus bloodpoints from BBQ and WGLF to make it baseline,though you would still have to work for that bonus,would help tremendously.
One of the biggest problems why you can't recommend DbD to anyone is that ridiculously grind in this game
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I don't understand rarity in this game.Why do all my killers have 3 or even 6 times more ebony moris (ultra rare btw) than bps???
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Really? I see items all the time
Maybe they could just leave tier 2 and 3, remove 1
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i think just remove tier 1 from perks. That would cut the grind by a third.
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Yeah ! More BP for everyone!
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