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What side effect should be added to barbecue chili to reduce the rate of catching a hanged survivor?

surv43
surv43 Member Posts: 331

For a long time I have seen that the killers rely entirely on maphack chili barbecue and multiplying blood points giving the strongest superiority for it. What side effect or effect would be appropriate to increase the killer's time to capture a survivor and increase the time to set tokens to increase points respectively? Closing all visual hints in the game other than those described in the skill for 5-3 minutes is enough or do you need any more penalties? Maybe some compromise option that reduces the time to catch a survivor after hanging?

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  • surv43
    surv43 Member Posts: 331

    I always 1 mend and save alas so falls out and I do not have the opportunity to hide at the other end of the map so that I do not notice and immediately run to the killer to meet. You need to be able to do this perk to completely hide such a flaw

  • Awkward_Fiend
    Awkward_Fiend Member Posts: 687

    BBQ can be countered by being within 40m (5026.55m², over half of most maps), or hopping in a locker. You can also use the perk Off the Record (which also compliments OoO) if you don't want to be seen by BBQ, or use any of the other counters. Distortion also works, but distortion isn't that good due to being very limited.

  • surv43
    surv43 Member Posts: 331

    how can you resist x2 multiplication of points? As well as fur all over the map?

  • CashelP14
    CashelP14 Member Posts: 5,564

    This perk doesn't need touched. Tbh if the killer sees you with BBQ it doesn't help him down you. I personally only run the perk for points on my killers. BBQ can be easily countered by giving the killer no hooks.

    It probably can be annoying when you try healing in the corners with self care.

  • calem
    calem Member Posts: 533

    This person clearly doesn't play at high enough ranks to think BBQ & Chili of all perks needs to be changed. "Map hack"? Like the map hack that Object of Obsession is? It goes both ways. 4 seconds of auras when you hook someone is barely any time at all. PLUS there are tonnes of counter-play. Lockers. Being close enough to the killer. Hiding behind generators. Distortion. Seems like people complain about literally anything now.

  • Deadeye
    Deadeye Member Posts: 3,627
    edited May 2020

    to point 6: BBQ is 5 seconds which is exactly the amount of the bubble of the hook. So run into a direction you dont want to go, then when the bubble disappears (you dont even have to count) run into the other direction. 40m is enough to make the scratch marks vanish before the killer arrives.

    EDIT: didnt finish to read, bnasically point 7 yeah. but the bubble hint is still an addition

  • Sora_Hikikomori
    Sora_Hikikomori Member Posts: 26

    Not sure if it's a typo but it's 4 seconds. Easily countable nonetheless. But the bubble would still help. Thx for the tip.

    Sole Survivor, maybe? I'm not exactly sure how the perk works but does it make your aura impossible to see while in the given radius(20/24m - 60/72m? In that case it would be useful for not being shown when the last other survivor gets hooked.

  • Diggly
    Diggly Member Posts: 112

    This is such a bad mentality as a player, instead of trying to counter it within your own means, you want the game to do it for you and even punish players for running something that you do not enjoy for the sole reason of you not enjoying it.

  • OniKobayashi
    OniKobayashi Member Posts: 274

    Just because you see them, doesn't mean they'll be there when you show up.

  • EnderloganYT
    EnderloganYT Member Posts: 621

    that would work, if you were within 8 meters and the other two were dead. I'm pretty sure that while being sacrificed it counts them as a health state instead of sacrificed, though I'm not 100% on that. good one tho

  • MegaWaffle
    MegaWaffle Member Posts: 4,172

    Even if you DON'T use any of the counters you just listed you still have a 1/3 chance to simply not be the target they go for, then a 1/2 and lastly the counters you mentioned.

  • MegaWaffle
    MegaWaffle Member Posts: 4,172

    "A deep bond with The Entity 

     unlocks potential in one's Aura-reading ability.

    After hooking a Survivor, all other Survivors' Auras 

     are revealed to you for 4 seconds when they are farther than 40 metres from the Hook 

    .

    • Each time a Survivor is hooked for the first time, gain a 25 % stack-able bonus to all Bloodpoint gains up to a maximum of 50/75/100 %.

    The bonus Bloodpoints are only awarded post-Trial.

    "I just can't take no pleasure in killing. There's just some things you gotta do. Don't mean you have to like it." — Drayton Sawyer"


    Its 4 seconds not 5 seconds.

  • surv43
    surv43 Member Posts: 331

    да я не играю на 1 ранге потому как постоянно меня находят этим гребаным читом в навыках дающим еще и умножение очков. Выше 3 ранга подняться не могу никак, вот и спрашиваю адекватных игроков, которых видимо тут нет, тех кто играет 1, тех кто всегда играет 1, а не разводит убийцу по связи и якобы нам в команде это похер. Я жалуюсь лишь только на то, что помимо всего что напихано(скрытно) убийце чтобы он был равен 4 игрокам у него еще есть перки которые уже не дают шанса выиграть. Я понимаю что вы во всех играх используете читы для преимущества, но мне не интересно чтобы сначала меня с его использованием убили а потом якобы я с ними бегал. Вот я и спросил вроде внятно, что есть аналогичное для выживших или как продумано сопротивление убийце кроме однополых связей с голосом среди выживших? Я не увидел шанса для выживших получить хоть немного близкий эффект который бы спас его когда висят 3 суслика а ты подсвечен. Уклониться за генератором? залезть в шкаф? Вы думаете только от убийцы, от выживших я еще не нашел ни одного комментария. Бежать убийце навстречу? Вы адекватные вообще?

    По этому я спросил как бы лучше ослабить перк чтобы был шанс спасти 3 суслика с крюков? Прям как для дебилов счас расписал. Надеюсь понятно, а то начнутся сказки мол достать мотоцикл, написать песню и тд. Что то подобное я и читал выше, чтобы спасти повешенных спрячься за генератором или в шкафу или просто не умирай)))

  • surv43
    surv43 Member Posts: 331

    под словом "мех" или "MH" я подразумеваю навык дающий сходный с читами в других играх называющийся "взлом карты" эффект. Их часто используют не честные игроки для получения явного преимущества. В данном случае за это еще и поощряют удвоенными очками, хотя они и так удвоенные если посмотреть что убийцы нихрена не делают обычно только жалуются мол уберите палеты уберите окна мы не успеваем добежать до выжившего пока он не перестанет светиться красным так как у нас навык со временем кончается. И по волшебству появляются проходы для инвалидов и пропадают доски. Если бы за удар давали очков как за открытие ящика выжившим было бы нормально, но ныть ведь начинают опять.

  • calem
    calem Member Posts: 533
  • surv43
    surv43 Member Posts: 331

    да убийца всегда бежит на меня, я вешу, меня никто не спасает конец игры. Вы молодец, браво.

  • surv43
    surv43 Member Posts: 331

    примем как константу что 2-3 висят всегда и убийца всегда бежит ко мне. Их уронили в течении 15 секунд всех, ну имба счас убийцы просто. Какие вы говорите действия я должен выполнить дальше? Генераторов ни одного не заведено или 1. Начать новую игру тогда навык читера против меня снова. Я может не знаю где читы для выживших вы качаете или может вы деньги в игру ложите, что смешно для меня.

  • surv43
    surv43 Member Posts: 331

    не ной пожалуйста, я вежлив с тобой. На русском никто не сидит форуме, а тут я надеялся что есть умные люди. Я к примеру с компа сижу и у меня сайт переворачивается когда пишу на другом языке.

  • calem
    calem Member Posts: 533

    I had to translate that, but believe it or not 'smart' is not defined as being able to read another language other than your native one. And there's an entire section on the forums for other languages that aren't English. Right here: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/categories/international

  • surv43
    surv43 Member Posts: 331

    you me in his language I did not understand I decided to write on my. You will not answer whether how to act if 3 gophers are hanging on hooks and you are highlighted by the skill that opens your position and the killer always plays perfectly. I don't have a generator or anything in my pocket. I'd like to know the answer. As well as how to play if the killer makes you sick and the survivors do not start the generators, how to resist the skill of chili so that you have time to fix the generators, save the survivors and do not die. You can choose when all 3 put in one place are not restored and just lie under supervision, no generator is started, how to resist such a game. And in addition if someone is hanged then in 5 seconds you have the killer and you die on the hook. I do not understand what comments were written above and Yes, I am strongly hindered by this skill, I can not counteract it, it would at least somehow limit the killer to let me survive in the match, there was balance and not dominance. Whether the killer caught it or not depended on whether he could

  • surv43
    surv43 Member Posts: 331

    Yes I not play on 1 rank because as constantly me find this ######### cheat in skills giving still and multiplication points. Higher 3 rank rise not can raze, here is and ask adequate players, which apparently here there is no, those who plays 1, those who always plays 1, and not breeds killer on ties and ostensibly us in team this poher. I only complain that in addition to everything that is stuffed (secretly) to the killer so that he is equal to 4 players, he still has perks that do not give a chance to win. I understand that you in all games use cheats for advantage, but I'm not interested in first me using it to kill and then allegedly I ran with them. So I asked like clearly, what is similar for survivors or how is resistance to the killer thought out besides same-sex relationships with the voice among the survivors? I didn't see a chance for the survivors to get even a little close effect that would save it when 3 gophers are hanging and you are highlighted. To avoid the generator? get in the closet? You think only from the killer, I haven't found any comments from the survivors yet. Run to meet the killer? Are you adequate at all?


    On this I asked how would it be better to weaken the perk so that there was a chance to save 3 gophers from the hooks? Just like for morons, I wrote it down. I hope it is clear, and then the fairy tales will start saying get a motorcycle, write a song, and so on. Something like that and I have read the above to save the hanged hide behind the generator or in the closet or just don't die)))

  • surv43
    surv43 Member Posts: 331

    I have discussed the recordings of my games more than once. I'm either always unlucky, which is impossible. Or the game is already too much on the killer. Murder over kittens me not interested in, me interested in the semblance of balance when 2\2 under equal chances and extremely strongly need try to not survived khotyaby 1. Schas if murderer moron you have chance otherwise only same-sex the link on microphone, than I not am in contrast apparently from you.

  • calem
    calem Member Posts: 533

    You clearly don't have enough experience or knowledge of this game. BBQ is not an OP perk, it is pretty balanced and there are HEAPS of ways to counter it if you don't like. Hide in a locker, the killer won't see you. Even if the killer can see the other 3 survivors, they can't be in 3 places at once. One person can unhook, one person takes a chase and one person does a generator. I am and have been a rank 1 survivor for a while so it's not like I don't have any idea what I am talking about. BBQ is the least of anyone's worries.

    You also act like killer's are the oppressed group in this game. You say "still have perks that do not give a chance to win", which, I am assuming you mean the killer has perks that don't let survivors escape. When this is quite the opposite. Survivors have way too many 2nd chance/crutch. Unbreakable, Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, just to name a few.

    If you don't like the advice of hiding in lockers, or being close to the hook, or being behind a generator, then you clearly do not WANT to counter BBQ, so don't come complaining on the forums if the killer knows where you are. You've only got yourself to blame.

  • surv43
    surv43 Member Posts: 331

    I understand you, you just give a carbon copy of the answers "there are many ways to hide from the cheat skill", but it's a pity they do not work in my situations. You yourself want to play with this cheat or you do not see it because you use voice communication(which is essentially the same hacking location of the killer) that is also not provided by the game, breaking the entire system of the game for ordinary players who do not want to look for hacking the system for their own benefit. They just want to play. We took cuts on all points from the survivors. What same you all??? reptiles, themselves the not sick still? Will the point of no return come soon and start balancing the game after all, or will this dump completely collapse. I read forum complain about survivors only English-speaking, on other simply records there is no))) Every day someone wants powerfit survivors, the handicapped)) If you don't see the problem it means you are involved in the problem. Your own does not smell, and the neighbor has too many boards, you need to get rid of))

  • konchok
    konchok Member, Alpha Surveyor Posts: 1,719

    The perk itself is fine. The double BP is what's broken. Killers shouldn't be running pink and purple add-ons every game. But if you run BBQ you can.