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Nurse is still the best killer in the game (from a Nurse main)
I have been hearing a LOT of talk lately from people saying that Nurse is trash now. While I think the people who are saying she "has no counterplay" are wrong, she is clearly still strong.
+Best chases in the game
+High skill ceiling
+Great perk synergies to get back in chases and keep pressure
-Glitches that NEED to be fixed
-Limited map control due to the blink recharge
There are some killers that can approach her chase potential, such as Billy, Spirit, and Oni. The problem is that they rely on RNG a bit, because they have to deal with pallets and vaults, whereas Nurse always has the chance to make a read and get the down. Once you play her enough, you will get frustrated trying to play other killers. No other killer compares.
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Spirit is close but nurse is the best and will probably remain the best forever
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Most people expect to play a killer for like 20 hrs and do well with them. You gotta put a ######### ton of hrs into nurse,it'll be worth in the end. I agree with ur post mate
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Nurse is the most balanced Killer in the game. Anyone below Red Ranks can't play her and gets clapped. But at her peak in the hands of a Red Rank player, she's completely unparalleled.
High skill floor, infinite skill ceiling. Whenever I get destroyed by a Rank 1 infectious fright nurse that can slug all four people, I'm not even mad im just impressed.
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i mean your main should always be your best killer, plus you have to put insane hours into nurse to be at the level required, unlike any new chapter you can just pick up with and do nearly as good. also platform matters, on PC nurse may be good but on console well i havent seen a nurse in months and last one i had seen got 2 hooks so i personally dont think shes the strongest anymore
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She can't be looped, that's why she has immense power if you use it right.
But it's just sad that you nearly always have to play against 6 survivors (4 + dedicated servers + bugs).
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She is still the best on console. Before I switched to PC, I got rank 1 with her without fail, and this was before the optimization and sensitivity changes.
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Yup. I love having to fight survivors and servers and my own buggy character lol.
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no sh*t sherlock :D
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I think she is good but no where near the top rank anymore. I rarely see Nurse these days but from the ones I do see they aren't anymore overbearing than Spirit, Freddy, Billy, ect. In fact post nerf I have faced off against more Spirits that deal with chases better than Nurse.
Maybe it's that I don't see many Nurse's so the chance of seeing an OP Spirit ect are higher since the chances of seeing a Spirit in general is higher and since I base my killer tiers off of experience not theory I cannot place Nurse as top rank anymore even if there is a 10k hour Nurse that can 360 no scope me across the map lurking somewhere.
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Spirit is definitely easier than Nurse, so yes, she is much more common. I play a lot of survivor too, and I have had MAYBE 3 good Nurses in the two years I have been playing.
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Spirit is better, because she got way less bugs and is 100 times easier to master. Easy like that. Coming from a 1.5k hours nurse main.
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While talking about whether nurse is the best killer or not, I think it is important to consider her theoretical and practical skill cap. In theory, she fundamentally ignores the game mechanics and can wreck for sure--provided that you don't encounter her miles long bug list, stun stimulation, and have put the crazy amount of hours into her. In practice, she feels gross to play, she is a bug monster, and is very punishing. I can toss on Spirit and still wreck a swf without all of the bugs or frustration.
To the average player, I think Spirit has a more accessible basekit that you will do well with without needing to put a million hours into her.
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Difficulty of use is not a valid talking point. In any game, the best players master a character and the execution becomes whatever. I can also tell you as someone who has relatively low execution that Nurse is really more about knowledge and predictions than mechanical skill. In fact, I think Huntress is harder in terms of skill.
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You make points but something that bugs me, just because she ignores the regular pallets and windows doesn't mean there aren't any tools left for survivors. Yeah pallets and windows aren't very good against her, but in their place are walls and LOS breaking. People act like just because you can't ring around the rosie a pallet/window means there isn't anything you can do.
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I say shes like, A tier killer. Id probably give her S tier if she wasnt so buggy derping into basement or getting stuck on pebbles, but the amount of skill required to play her at low ranks is way higher than it should be in my opinion. Not that she should be easy but the way she is now is just a bit out of whack and on a completely different difficulty curve from any other killer currently.
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That's a fair point. I think I more met that only nurse has that level of mobility and ability to ignore looping compared to the other killers. She has counters, but her theoretical power level is so much higher than everyone's else because she can teleport. But on a tier list of practical skillcap and feels good to play, Spirit and Freddy will give the majority of players better results with much less effort required.
Walls and LOS breakers are definitely a valid strat aganist her.
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Nurse is way harder than huntress imo, because of the muscle memory.
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But they don't use it because it takes time to master blinks.
Spirit -> 10 hours you are already a professional.
Oni -> 5 hours you are already a professional.
Freddy -> 5 hours you are already a professional.
Nurse -> 200 hours, you will continue to make mistakes.
I will have around 400 ~ 500 hours as a nurse and you can even find survivors who make interesting mindgames.
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Muscle memory is rote: you eventually don't have to think about it. What IS challenging though is knowledge of the map. You have to know how much blink charge it takes to get through various objects, while at the same time predicting where the survivor will be. This all happens in about a second, and you are punished for being wrong. She is definitely tough to use, but I think her muscle memory is actually the easier part.
As for Huntress, your aim has to be on point, and you have to account for objects as well as the trajectory of the ax, and the movement of the survivor.
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Nurse is unsatisfying to play imo.
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I'm a Nurse main.
1k Hours on PC and 3k hours on PS4.
No, she's not.
Remove the Red Bar and she'll be the Best Again.
But Red Bar + Server Latency + Bugs = B tier Maybe A- Tier Killer.
She's great, but not the best. Freddy took that Crown.
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Maybe on PC she is but on console she's absolute trash. She WAS the best at one point but Spireh has taken her place.
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Nurse is strong but still is no match for freddy. He has so much more going for him, and no negatives which is what makes him unfun. I would say she's second strongest with no addons and third with addons, as spirit's addons elevate her to another level much more than people realise.
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I don't understand this logic. Yes, Freddy probably has better map mobility, and yes, he gets bonuses (lullaby, dream world, teleport) for just being Freddy, but he is just an M1 killer at the end of the day. The snares are decent but they don't make much of a difference at the really strong loops.
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Yeah huntress is definitly hard too, but most times you got big time (compares t8 nurse of course) to line up a long range shot.
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I agree, even on console Nurse is the best. It's just rare to run across someone that has actually put in the time to master her. I'm friends with 3 players that are Nurse mains on Xbox that would prove this.
Right now the thing that actually holds he back are bugs and dead zones. I feel like Sanctum is one of the worst, it feels like the entire center piece is just one big dead zone. If they could fix this stuff she would feel a lot better and I'd probably play her more at rank 1.
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Yes devs, please leave nurse as is! she is so strong that seeing here 1 in 1000 games is perfectly fine and normal.
No changes needed at all.
Did i fit in with the survivors?
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yeah man,nurse is so good and fun to play literally no one that's not a veteran nurse main plays her,and good luck dealing with gamebreaking bugs while playing her,no biggie,game is too broken and nurse too hard to play for it to even be remotely fun
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Spirit is slightly better than Nurse at the current moment. Her juggle potential puts her just enough above Nurse imo.
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Nurse was my main on PS4; However, she’s just too buggy to deal with anymore. To mitigate her bugs she either has to know exactly she will land for precise blinks as opposed to guesstimating, or move as fast as a normal killer to keep up with survivors (Without requiring add-ons). Her bugs appear the more often she blinks. Like her constantly going “uh-uh-uh-uh-uh!” and automatically failing the next blink (RAGE!!).
Back to what I wrote before... The trick to mastering Nurse imo is reducing the amount of times she has to blink, and forcing players to remain stationary so that her blink attacks will land... Reducing blinks also reduces the odds of bugs. Red Rank survivors just run to the dead zones where it’s hard/impossible for her to blink, and they abuse that until they win. That’s why I switched to the Spirit after reaching Rank 5 as the Nurse.
I only use Nurse when she has lots of Heavy Panting, Kavanaughs, Matchboxes, and Spasmodics on top of Black Wards. Base nurse can’t even blink through half of the stuff in the lower level of the meat plant without her long distance blinks. She is heavily reliant on add-ons, which I noticed why she gets more Black Wards than any of the other killers that I played with. At least that is my experience with her.
Spasmodic is her best add-on imo because it rewards you for landing a blink hit by making her fast as f***. You can outpace survivors for a whole minute, hitting everyone to trigger Thanatophobia. The reason I often switch to a new player after getting Spasmodic is to mind game. A new survivor will notice that you are coming in REALLY fast as opposed to predictable blinking, and they won’t know exactly when you can blink again. So all you have to do is injure them near a pallet/vault just before the Spasmodic wears off. Then you chase them into performing an action. In that moment you blink to land the second hit since they cannot move. This works every time!
Her blinking at you constantly isn’t a real chase. It’s what she is forced to do because of her stupid speed penalties on top of her gasping for breath from using her power. “Oooh she can ignore vaults/pallets”. Well, so can the Spirit! The Spirit can’t phase THROUGH things in a instant, but she moves really fast AROUND things. Spirit is in complete control of her actions unlike the Nurse where you always have to guesstimate. That is why Spirit is superior imo.
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At red ranks I hardly ever see Nurse on Xbox, and in those rare instances (say 1-2 per month) they are green or purple ranks mostly. So unless we screw around all four of us are getting out. Come to think of it, I haven't seen a red rank nurse this year.
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I mean OP is right. You do need lots and ######### Lots of practice and map awareness to play Nurse. Nurse is gonna be impossible if you are lets say around Brown to Yellow Ranks as you have or may not have experienced every map and know every area of it's possible loop/pallet locations.
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I think the problem with Nurse right now is that no one can really learn her. Before you had perks that acted like training wheels for new Nurse players. Now, you have nothing that will help you learn Nurse. So really, only old Nurse players will ever play her, everyone else will avoid her. At some point, she'll never see play. Her skill ceiling is to high for anyone to learn at this point.
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The problem is that the changes to her basekit were done at the same time as the addons, and ALL of the changes (barring like 6 good addons) were clearly done by a team of people who don't play or understand Nurse. It shows so badly at every little spot it can from the useless addons to the incredibly poorly done cooldown to the egregious gamebreaking bugs that are common.
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