The one thing that bother me about Ghostface
Why does Ghostface get to keep the stalk progress he has on a survivor that successfully reveal him ?
I never have any issue revealing Ghostface, but why bother if he get to keep the meter and can instant stalk me later ? It appear to be more beneficial to run at him once I break him out of stealth so he can basic attack me, wich make him lose the stalk progress, or voluntarily let him stalk me to the end so I can loop him for 45 seconds and be done with it.
Ghostface was given a very quick stalking speed (5s or 2.5s if he is leaning +add ons) with the drawback of having to be carefull in his approach. Its just frustrating to successfully reveal Ghostface only for him to be rewarded with a near instant stalk later. Also the way this enable him to activate Night Shroud right in your face to stalk you for 0.1 second and insta-down you, seem to me to be the complete opposite of what he was designed to be. Unless I grossly misunderstand the designers intentions.
I'm not asking for Ghostface to lose all stalk progress on all survivors when revealed. Only on the survivor who successfully triggered the reveal, or else what is even the point ?
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Survivors revealing him does more harm than good sadly.
He just turns around and slash he goes.
It's stupid and needs to be fixed or give survivors a better chance to run from him.
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Im surprised it doesnt naturally regress its annoying when i lose him see him 5 minutes later and instantly exposed. Its infinite unlike michael so i feel it should have some slow regression.
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Yeah but ghostface doesn't have the capability to murder the entire team in one go unless you get a godly stalk off.
Infectious fright on monitor myers is really strong. Especially if you have a duration add-on. Pop T3 on someone, get a down, get another down or two; then you can slug and force someone to hit half before your T3 is even over. Ghostfaces add-ons are not even close to what myers has.
Stalkless M1 ghostface is literally just a weaker wraith. Should they nerf the wraith too?
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What's the point? You get to live longer.
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Because he weaponized the already crazily strong 3rd person camera survivors have..that kind of absurd weakness needs something to counteract it
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Be happy that he’s using stalk at least. No stalk GF with nurse’s and heal slow down perks are a lot more scarry.
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My only issue with Ghostface has been his cooldown addons. They feel too strong in comparison to the other addon but at the same time without them Ghostface feels a bit weak. I feel like with the addon his Shroud has too much uptime but without shroud has too much downtime. Wouldn't mind the addons getting nerfed and lowering the cooldown of Shroud so there's more control over the CD and different addons get used. Although from the survivor side I do feel like his reveal mechanic needs to be more clear but that's been a day 1 issue. Not everyone understands it's center screen and not your survivors center view.
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I never really liked GhostFace to be honest. The majority of them always make it so I can’t help my teammates with generators and try to tunnel me.Although I had one Ghostaface that let me live and went for my teammates cause they were not very skilled.
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It'd be cool to see other actions max out or deplete the bar.
For example, if you run into ghost face, but you're facing the opposite direction, it could max out the stalk bar for that survivor if GF is in stalk mode.
Another example is generator explosions depleting his bar if in proximity?
GF is currently the 2nd best camper in the game, with Basement King Bubba leading on.
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Your stalk progress resets if he hits you before your exposed. You could take a hit, run away and heal up. If you suspect he 99%'ed you treat him like tier 3 Myers and run. Remember GF has a power that is controlled by the survivors. That is never a good idea. Without his power he is literally a M1 killer.
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GF 2nd best camper? I don't think so. Getting revealed means you lose your 1 shot capability and then will get hit with BT. Anyone with a 1 shot that can't be stopped is way better. Billy, Myers, Oni are all better at denying an unhook. Hag and Trapper are also better if they are trapping the hook, especially Hag.
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You do know if you break him outta stalk and then he hits you, it resets right? And since most are running DH and self care... Hmmm. Most likely he won't pursue chase either, especially if your in a safe area where no gens/completed gens are.
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You haven't furtively played with your food much, have you? Those two perks give GF an amazing camper sweep. Coupled with chewed pen or any of the iri/purple add-ons, GF can do anything, especially camp, and there's still room for any 2 other perks.
Even a SWF can struggle if you know how to use cover near the hook correctly. SWF relies heavily on what other players in their group communate, which is typically visual-based information. With reduced TR during chases and breaking line of sight, GF can easily camp all but the saltiest SWF.
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It used to work like that way back when, in the public test servers. The expose effect also only lasted for 20 seconds. Of course this was also back when it was super easy as heck to reveal ghostface before they rework the reveal boxes, it took one second to reveal ghostface and not 1.5 seconds, when object still work on sneaky killers like him. All of this combine, made ghostface an awful killer to play.
This this right here. Yeah if the ghostface is not using his power and he has no add on recovery items. 30 seconds is a long bloody time.
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Considering furtive is one of the worst perks in the game, no I have not bothered with that. When I think camping, I think killing people on their first hook. Not letting people unhook and then going for the unhooker. And a killer with a 1 shot who can deny anyone from getting near it is the best way to do that, beyond having 10 traps at the hook as the hag.
If I was going to use play with your food, I would use nemesis. But I don't think it is worth it on ghostface since he could only down 1 person at a time with the stacks anyways. It is worth using on someone like Myers because once you hit 3 stacks you can pop tier 3 and then get 2-3 slugs at the same time. And that's about the only way you are going to have enough time to build all those stacks while having no gen pressure at red ranks. Spending an entire minute with no downs building stacks and then getting downs 1 at a time is never going to cut it.
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It's like Myers holding his Stalk progression at 99% except weaker seeing as in most cases you're going to expose only 1 person at a time. So I don't really see a reason to change it.
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Yea, I know. I said so in my post wich you apparently didn't read. And this defeat the entire point of revealing Ghostface in the first place. Why bother if its just better to take a hit ?
Same as above. Why do peoples reply to things they don't actualy read ?
Myers is a very different killer. He is not as stealthy as Ghostface and it takes a long time for him to build up Evil Within. Once he pop it, every survivors knows it and he completly lose his stealth for the duration. Then he has to slowly build it up again. He can only catch the first survivor by surprise and then has to try and snowball from there. Also there is no mechanic to stop Myers from stalking you apart from breaking line of sight.
With Ghostface, he can stalk you in five seconds or less if you don't see him coming, wich is why they gave the survivors a way to stop him, by breaking Night Shroud. However, it seems to me that doing so is not really beneficial compared to simply running away immedialty giving you a head start or willingly taking a hit to prevent him from holding the stalk progress on you for as long as he wishes. So what is the point of the revealing mechanic really ? It even give away your position to the killer with a Killer Instinct notification. It just bother me.
And yes I also know, that most of the time Ghostfaces won't risk stalking when they can take the guaranteed M1 hit or go for a grab. Wich also make the whole revealing mechanic irrelevant. So again, why does it even exist ?
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The point of being able to reveal him is to stall the exposed effect. If it outright removed the progression he had it'd be too tough to actually expose someone, making the power barely worthwhile. Having that much control over a killer power is not a good idea. I get that it sucks being exposed immediately but the thing is Ghostface earned that previous stalk progression.
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Ok, now it just sounds like your salty because you got downed. Dust yourself off, and try again. GF isn't that strong, about 10% who play GF actually use his stalk, he's easily looped, and doesn't have good map pressure. Only thing he's got going for him is shroud(hiding his tr and stain) and spine chills kills that. I main GF a lot and know from experience.
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So you re ok with Myers stalking your teammate and then going for you with his tier 3 almost filled up? And then putting pressure in the map and snowballing for no reason?
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Who said anything about Ghostface being strong or weak or anything ? I play killer more often than survivor and I've payed Ghostface quite a lot. I know how he works, wich is why I'm able to easily reveal him.
I'm not salty or angry or flustered or whatever. I'm am just slightly bothered by an aspect of Ghostface when I play against him. I think I've explained why twice now. But if you don't see any issue with what i'm talking about I guess its an answer like another.
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I was on the throne when i typed that response. I didnt have time to read the whole thing :p
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I would argue M1 GF is stronger than Wraith. Sure, he's visible, but he doesn't have to waste time uncloaking for his hit, and he can go back into stealth instantly once it recharges
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Gf with cd add ons is strong with whispers. I sometimes get a grab off a gen or im so close i get a hit before they run away. I only stalk if theres more than 1 survivor so i can 99% one and instadown them later.
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I don't agree with that. Base-kit maybe you could argue it, but with add-ons wraith turns into a totally different animal than ghostface. With windstorm he actually has a ton of mobility, map pressure, and the ability to quickly swap targets....something M1 ghostface has none of. Good wraith play or the swift hunt / map wide / silent bell add-ons let him get the exact same ambush hits M1 ghostface would be getting at gens. Ghostface is waiting like 30-20 seconds per ambush hit. Wraith can do it every 2 seconds if he wants.
You could say it's easier to grab with ghostface, but dedicated grabs are so jacked up I don't think it's a valid talking point.
Hiding the red stain during chase isn't a big deal to me since I moonwalk around most corners, and am in such a habit of doing it that I will end up moonwalking with night shroud up.
There's a few tricks you can do with the purple crouching add-on at loops, but that's very situational. M1 ghostface can hardly use any add-ons except recovery speed and the crouching ones. The others basically do nothing.
Meanwhile wraith could be rocking wallhacks, perfect information on gen progress, free sloppy butcher, or like 75% increased vault speeds with bamboozle to instantly shut down jungle gyms before a chase.
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This is my opinion but I find his other addons suck.
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Well, you are honnest about it. I can appreciate that. 😄
I always wonder, if the devs are satisfied with how Ghostface turned out. Not balance-wise, but design-wise. The way he was first introduced on the PTB and the trainwreck it was really made us wonder how the hell they tested him in development.
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Yeah I can agree with that. His other addons need buffs or be reworked into more interesting stuff and the CD for both his addons and base need to be adjusted so the addons for cooldown feel not so mandatory. But what is it like a 16 second CD for shroud with both? Yet 40 without them? Yeah there's a reason the addons are overused so much.
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Ghostface keeps his stalk progression because otherwise he would be borderline unplayable. His "reveal" mechanic is extremely busted, it's a coin toss as to whether it even registers that he's there as he's staring at you from 10 metres away, or will just let you reveal him through a solid object and/or through tiny little cracks in an object while you aren't even aware he's there.
99ing is the only good way to use Ghostface's stalk, and it is absolutely not the way the Devs intended for him to be played, but he's so weak if you play immersed. So, so weak. Giving the survivors the ability to remove the killers entire setup (he is a setup killer) is extremely stupid. He would instantly become one of the worst killers in the game unless you run Stabby Ghostface, whish isn't nearly as good, skillful or fun.
And honestly, if you are getting owned by Stalky Ghostface's, give them a little credit. He's a hard killer when you use his full potential, that's why so many people run Stabby Ghostface. Slightly weaker, infinitely easier. I'm certainly no stranger to the nurses/sloppy combo, though I prefer to use it for stalk potential.
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30 for base kit, 16 with green and yellow recovery add ons. Playing without add on vs playing with add on is almost like playing two different killers. With how major of a difference it makes.
Which yeah, a rework for his add on, along with fixing reveal is one of the things ghostface could use. Which one idea i seen floating around for Ghostface, was the idea successfully hitting a expose target, leads to his power recovery faster. Which does sound like it might be a rather interesting one to test out.
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To some extent I agree with you. 99ing is the optimal way to use Ghostface's power and its clearly not what the devs originaly intended. Its was discovered pretty quickly after his release that the effective way to play Ghostface was to not bother stalking most of the time and 99% stalk when available. And it feels so, so wrong.
Ghostface can win games, he is viable, stronger than a good portion of the cast even. And yet he is still broken at its core. He is stalker that won't stalk you because that would hurt him, or who will "hide" right in you face so he can trigger his instant down in a way that make zero sense as to what the power is supposed to represent.
In the end revealing him or not does not really matter, wich is probably why it bother me so much.
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