The Spirit Nerf we need

Good point.

Yeah i have to agree with you. Since the op logic doesn't seem to add up to me. Legion and Nurse have massively different powers from Spirit. That and the funny thing is Legion power after he get the first hit, would have great tracking if anyone is nearby. While the op wants to nerf Spirit ability to track survivors, while ignoring Legion power gives them a great boost to finding and tracking survivors after landing the first hit, if any survivor reminds near by. So it kind of ironic they want to nerf Spirit ability to track survivors by pointing to legion and saying make it more like that. That and they seem to want to force spirits to run Stridor, if they want to be the very best like no one ever was. To catch them is my real test. To kill them is my cause. Which jokes aside, seems like it would be a bad idea. For that would mean less builds you can run on a spirit and lead to more cookie cutter builds if someone wants to play effectively as spirit. Since if we go and look at ghostface, his power is flexible. You can play a no stalk ghostface, maybe not the most effective way to use his ability but you can do it, if you want to and still make decent use out of his ability. That and ghostface has a number of different perks or combos of perks that can work well on him, due to way his power works. Like surge and surveillance. Even without a single other perk, you can use get benefit out of his power. Since survivors having no idea you are about to sneak up on them or stalking for one shots, is very useful.

While forcing spirit to always run Stridor to make best use of their power, seems odd. Since shouldn't a spirit be able to use their power effectively without needing any other perks?

Where are you guys comparing Spirit to Nurse? From a survivors perspective I guess they're similar, but from a killers POV they are completely different. One goes through things, the other turns invisible and walks around them.

I didn't mean skill wise. I meant unfun due to her being a stun simulator. Slapping a cool down on top of a cool down, then throwing in a heap of bugs, isn't an enjoyable experience. I don't want Spirit, or any killer, to fall into the same catagory.

I would say the nerf isn't needed but a quality of life change.

Give an actual cue that she is using her power, that's the only change I would want despite hating stridor with a passion.

Not only does she not need nerfs, she didn't need her previous nerfs.

Spirit has an add-on that does that. it's just a lot of player's don't use it because they rely too much on scratch marks

Sure! Let's go ahead and put a cooldown on top of another cooldown and decrease Spirit's usage and make her unfun to play just like Nurse. Spirit is fine, she literally require's survivor's to use their brain, and not only that, she gives survivor's a taste of their own medicine. Y'all rely heavily on the red stain to give y'all information in a loop, while killer's have to rely on scratch marks and sound, but the moment a killer makes a survivor have to use their brain or understand how the killer play's that killer needs to be nerf. She revolves around mindgames. "StAnDiNg StiLl iSn'T A mInDgAmE" if it isn't than explain this?

Spirit is literally being used as intended. Just because you can't mindlessly loop her like every other killer doesn't mean she's broken. Like Jeez I love you and all Mister Gatsby but I disagree with you whole heartedly

I'd actually prefer a different change; she can still see scratch marks but all sound is omni-directional so she can't just throw on stridor and win.

Another thing I'd love to see is an indicator she's phasing- it doesn't have to be something massive and bright and neon, but something bigger than shards you can't see on less than 50% res, can't see on several skins, can't see from far away, and can't see if they're bugged.

These are my two main issues with spirit, and honestly fixing one would make me over the moon. After that we could buff her again in other areas of her kit to compensate and retain her a strong killer, maybe change passive phasing into something else that helps traverse the map better.

"The Spirit nerf we DON'T need"

Fixed

No no, it's not "Good Killers". It's "Boring Killers". That's the word I see getting thrown around a lot more than Overpowered these days.

By definition, every Killer is boring to go up against because all of them have ways that can make things boring for the Survivor.

Billy? Leatherface? One-Downs, all they need to do is just close the gap.

Spirit? Nurse? They ignore loops, forcing you to run through multiple structures and play smarter with LOS blockers.

Freddy? Clown? They slow you down, making it easier to close the gap, with Freddy having the ability to have decent map pressure, and Clown having the ability to screw with a Survivor's POV with his gas.

Myers? Ghostface? Wraith? One has Insta-down, the other two can constantly turn off their terror radius.

Trapper? Hag? Both require traps, and both can stop a chase before it happens. Hag can also jumpscare you and force your camera to screw with your movement.

Doctor? Plague? Legion? They all can hinder the Survivor in some way with their power and effects, Doctor can cause jumpscares to appear on the Survivor's Screen, and create skillchecks that go all over the place, Plague makes it easier for Survivors to reveal their location and can effectively make perks like Iron Will useless because of how loud puking is, and Legion, I don't need to explain.

Huntress? Deathslinger? They both can hit you from far away, with Huntress being able to hit you from across the map if she is good enough.

Pig? She can make short and medium loops unsafe with her ambush.

Demogorgon? His shred can literally deny any agency of safety on the survivor's part if they try to lunge towards a window/pallet. And even then it will still hit sometimes because of how hit detection works in the game.

Oni? He forces a slugging playstyle, a playstyle a lot of people as far as I can tell, find "Boring".

Literally every Killer in the game has a playstyle that, as far as I can tell from this forum, is boring in one way or another. None of them are completely safe from every complaint I've heard coming from various users in this forum.

Some are more frequent than others, but they all definitely have had complaints risen towards them.

This is why, and I hope to god the devs follow this, that "fun" is not an objective reason to balance a game. Because every killer has something that can be boring to go up against with certain players. Some of them counter a Stealthy playstyle, like Plague and Doctor. Some of them counter a Chaser playstyle, like Spirit and Nurse. And some of them are decent at everything, like Pig, Freddy and Demogorgon.

If the Killers are changed to be made "fun" according to what this forum thinks is "Fun", then we wouldn't have a variety of killers to choose from, we would only have 1. A basic M1 Killer.

you do realize she cant see scratch marks when using Mother Daughter Ring Addon....and even when its being used its still easy to use its more of predicting of where survivors are then just following scratch marks, shes made to cut people off catch them off guard

Or maybe, just maybe, survivors should do the same thing killers have been forced to do since day one of this game: git gud and adapt.