What killer should be buffed/nerfd and why

Of all the killers, Freddy is in the most need of a buff. There aren't any killers that are seriously OP, in my opinion, but a nurse with five-blink add-ons is a bit much, I think. If I were to nerf anything, it would probably be that.

@SadonicShadow said:
Killers that need to be buffed would include freddy, wraith, leatherdaddy, pig. I don't think any killer needs to be nerfed tho. I know alot of people advocate for the nurse to be gutted but she is the only killer that can stand a chance against swf death squads and succeed. She translates player skill and experience into real performance that you can see. Nurse as is, is perfectly fine at base. Her addon need to be nerfed/reworked. 4 and 5 blinks should not be a thing since it eliminates almost all counter play for the survivors.

nurse is not the only one that can stand, i've played some tournaments, and nurse main killed only one survivor, when the hillbilly main killed full team ;v

Bartex said:

@SadonicShadow said:
Killers that need to be buffed would include freddy, wraith, leatherdaddy, pig. I don't think any killer needs to be nerfed tho. I know alot of people advocate for the nurse to be gutted but she is the only killer that can stand a chance against swf death squads and succeed. She translates player skill and experience into real performance that you can see. Nurse as is, is perfectly fine at base. Her addon need to be nerfed/reworked. 4 and 5 blinks should not be a thing since it eliminates almost all counter play for the survivors.

nurse is not the only one that can stand, i've played some tournaments, and nurse main killed only one survivor, when the hillbilly main killed full team ;v

@SadonicShadow said:
Bartex said:

@SadonicShadow said:

Killers that need to be buffed would include freddy, wraith, leatherdaddy, pig. I don't think any killer needs to be nerfed tho. I know alot of people advocate for the nurse to be gutted but she is the only killer that can stand a chance against swf death squads and succeed. She translates player skill and experience into real performance that you can see. Nurse as is, is perfectly fine at base. Her addon need to be nerfed/reworked. 4 and 5 blinks should not be a thing since it eliminates almost all counter play for the survivors.

nurse is not the only one that can stand, i've played some tournaments, and nurse main killed only one survivor, when the hillbilly main killed full team ;v

Only one kill!? With nurse!? That nurse must have been hot garbage to perform that bad. Was the nurse game on a cold wind map?

2000+ hrs nurse main, it was Rancid Abattoir, so basically best coldwind for nurse

@Bartex said:

@SadonicShadow said:
Killers that need to be buffed would include freddy, wraith, leatherdaddy, pig. I don't think any killer needs to be nerfed tho. I know alot of people advocate for the nurse to be gutted but she is the only killer that can stand a chance against swf death squads and succeed. She translates player skill and experience into real performance that you can see. Nurse as is, is perfectly fine at base. Her addon need to be nerfed/reworked. 4 and 5 blinks should not be a thing since it eliminates almost all counter play for the survivors.

nurse is not the only one that can stand, i've played some tournaments, and nurse main killed only one survivor, when the hillbilly main killed full team ;v

Because billy is easy to play skill takes actual skill and no im not a survivor main i am a killer main so have fun coming up with an arguement other than "HA RANK 27 SURVIVOR MAIN GIT GUD"

"most balanced killer is op, nurse needs buffs"

One Freddy is re-worked, the next one that needs looking at is Leatherface, as he would be the lowest tier killer then. Pig and Myers getting some QoL improvments would be nice, but if LF gets some work, its only really small changes and balancing to everyone else.

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@Delfador said:
Doc is far from being OP. His base kit is really really weak. His addons are good but doesn't make him very powerful imo. He is just fcking annoying.

Nurse is very powerful. I know a couple of people on this forum think that she is 'balanced' but I think she definitely needs nerfs.

I don't have any problem with Hillbilly, Hag, Myers and Huntress. I think they are balanced.

Clown doesn't have much pressure on the map but he is a really good chaser. I don't think he needs to be buffed.

Doc's base kit can be buffed. If it is gonna happen, they can even nerf his addons. I wouldn't mind.

Freddy, Leatherface, Pig, Trapper are the most desperate ones for buffs I think.

Wraith got a buff but I didn't test him on the PTB so I have no idea.

I wish every killer was in the same level with billy because he is the most balanced one imo. I am talking about base kits though. I don't mind if they nerf killers' addons if they are gonna buff their base powers.

billy is probably the most broken he can 1 hit any one and fly across the map with basically no negative effects towards him. He is also the easiest killer to play just get close and chainsaw.

Sir_Kazi said:

HOW does FREDDY need a buff? I don't understand. He can see you when in dream world. you have to fail a skill check so it shows where you are on map. his walk speed is ridiculous. what are you guys saying?

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@Delfador said:

Doc is far from being OP. His base kit is really really weak. His addons are good but doesn't make him very powerful imo. He is just fcking annoying.

Nurse is very powerful. I know a couple of people on this forum think that she is 'balanced' but I think she definitely needs nerfs. I don't have any problem with Hillbilly, Hag, Myers and Huntress. I think they are balanced. Clown doesn't have much pressure on the map but he is a really good chaser. I don't think he needs to be buffed. Doc's base kit can be buffed. If it is gonna happen, they can even nerf his addons. I wouldn't mind. Freddy, Leatherface, Pig, Trapper are the most desperate ones for buffs I think. Wraith got a buff but I didn't test him on the PTB so I have no idea.

I wish every killer was in the same level with billy  because he is the most balanced one imo. I am talking about base kits though. I don't mind if they nerf killers' addons if they are gonna buff their base powers.



billy is probably the most broken he can 1 hit any one and fly across the map with basically no negative effects towards him. He is also the easiest killer to play just get close and chainsaw.



Hillbilly is the most balanced killer in the game.

@Delfador said:

@Global said:

@Bartex said:

@SadonicShadow said:

Killers that need to be buffed would include freddy, wraith, leatherdaddy, pig. I don't think any killer needs to be nerfed tho. I know alot of people advocate for the nurse to be gutted but she is the only killer that can stand a chance against swf death squads and succeed. She translates player skill and experience into real performance that you can see. Nurse as is, is perfectly fine at base. Her addon need to be nerfed/reworked. 4 and 5 blinks should not be a thing since it eliminates almost all counter play for the survivors.

nurse is not the only one that can stand, i've played some tournaments, and nurse main killed only one survivor, when the hillbilly main killed full team ;v

Because billy is easy to play skill takes actual skill and no im not a survivor main i am a killer main so have fun coming up with an arguement other than "HA RANK 27 SURVIVOR MAIN GIT GUD"

There is not much thing a billy can do if he faces good survivors. He can be easily looped.

Yes he can chainsaw people easily but you have your tools to fight him. 'If he gets close, he can chainsaw'. Don't let him get close then?

'One way or another he will get close I can't avoid him 5 gens'. True but we also need to remember that you are not the only target there. He needs to do that multiple times. This is not a 1v1 game. As a survivor, you are not as powerful as the killer. At least you shouldn't be.

Being an easy killer or a hard killer is not related to being OP. Nurse can be the easiest killer or the hardest one, it doesn't matter. She is broken, billy is not.

@yeet @Delfador Every killer needs to chase someone multiple times even nurse has to do it multiple times hell i find fighting her easier than billy because once you break line of sight with her just make her think you are going one way when your not simple. He has no draw back to one of the most powerful abilities in the game which is to cut the chase in half. He has immense map pressure and can instantly get to one side of the map to another better than nurse ever can. Yea being an easy killer doesnt make you op but if the easy killer has an extremely powerful ability it does because the more powerful the ability the harder to play the killer it should be. "There is not much thing a billy can do if he faces good survivors." I dont know what you mean here? That he needs his ability to fight the good survivors but in that case so does nurse so how would she deserve a nerf anymore than billy?

why does he need a drawback?
billy is fine (You) just need to get good

How does what i say mean i should get good? xD i said he is easy to play doesnt that mean i am already good with him? and everything i said is why he needs a nerf read it before coming up with playground insults unless they are all you have

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@Delfador said: Doc is far from being OP. His base kit is really really weak. His addons are good but doesn't make him very powerful imo. He is just fcking annoying.

Nurse is very powerful. I know a couple of people on this forum think that she is 'balanced' but I think she definitely needs nerfs.    I don't have any problem with Hillbilly, Hag, Myers and Huntress. I think they are balanced.    Clown doesn't have much pressure on the map but he is a really good chaser. I don't think he needs to be buffed.    Doc's base kit can be buffed. If it is gonna happen, they can even nerf his addons. I wouldn't mind.    Freddy, Leatherface, Pig, Trapper are the most desperate ones for buffs I think.    Wraith got a buff but I didn't test him on the PTB so I have no idea.

I wish every killer was in the same level with billy because he is the most balanced one imo. I am talking about base kits though. I don't mind if they nerf killers' addons if they are gonna buff their base powers. billy is probably the most broken he can 1 hit any one and fly across the map with basically no negative effects towards him. He is also the easiest killer to play just get close and chainsaw. Hillbilly is the most balanced killer in the game.

@Delfador said:

@Global said:

@Bartex said:

@SadonicShadow said:

Killers that need to be buffed would include freddy, wraith, leatherdaddy, pig. I don't think any killer needs to be nerfed tho. I know alot of people advocate for the nurse to be gutted but she is the only killer that can stand a chance against swf death squads and succeed. She translates player skill and experience into real performance that you can see. Nurse as is, is perfectly fine at base. Her addon need to be nerfed/reworked. 4 and 5 blinks should not be a thing since it eliminates almost all counter play for the survivors.



nurse is not the only one that can stand, i've played some tournaments, and nurse main killed only one survivor, when the hillbilly main killed full team ;v



Because billy is easy to play skill takes actual skill and no im not a survivor main i am a killer main so have fun coming up with an arguement other than "HA RANK 27 SURVIVOR MAIN GIT GUD"

There is not much thing a billy can do if he faces good survivors. He can be easily looped. Yes he can chainsaw people easily but you have your tools to fight him. 'If he gets close, he can chainsaw'. Don't let him get close then? 'One way or another he will get close I can't avoid him 5 gens'. True but we also need to remember that you are not the only target there. He needs to do that multiple times. This is not a 1v1 game. As a survivor, you are not as powerful as the killer. At least you shouldn't be.

Being an easy killer or a hard killer is not related to being OP. Nurse can be the easiest killer or the hardest one, it doesn't matter. She is broken, billy is not.



@yeet @Delfador  Every killer needs to chase someone multiple times even nurse has to do it multiple times hell i find fighting her easier than billy because once you break line of sight with her just make her think you are going one way when your not simple. He has no draw back to one of the most powerful abilities in the game which is to cut the chase in half. He has immense map pressure and can instantly get to one side of the map to another better than nurse ever can. Yea being an easy killer doesnt make you op but if the easy killer has an extremely powerful ability it does because the more powerful the ability the harder to play the killer it should be. "There is not much thing a billy can do if he faces good survivors." I dont know what you mean here? That he needs his ability to fight the good survivors but in that case so does nurse so how would she deserve a nerf anymore than billy?



why does he need a drawback?

billy is fine (You) just need to get good

How does what i say mean i should get good? xD i said he is easy to play doesnt that mean i am already good with him? and everything i said is why he needs a nerf read it before coming up with playground insults unless they are all you have

Every killer should be as powerful as billy, not the other way round 🙂

That has nothing to do with what i said so clearly you have nothing to say thanks for the debate.

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@Delfador said: Doc is far from being OP. His base kit is really really weak. His addons are good but doesn't make him very powerful imo. He is just fcking annoying.

Nurse is very powerful. I know a couple of people on this forum think that she is 'balanced' but I think she definitely needs nerfs.    I don't have any problem with Hillbilly, Hag, Myers and Huntress. I think they are balanced.    Clown doesn't have much pressure on the map but he is a really good chaser. I don't think he needs to be buffed.    Doc's base kit can be buffed. If it is gonna happen, they can even nerf his addons. I wouldn't mind.    Freddy, Leatherface, Pig, Trapper are the most desperate ones for buffs I think.    Wraith got a buff but I didn't test him on the PTB so I have no idea.

I wish every killer was in the same level with billy because he is the most balanced one imo. I am talking about base kits though. I don't mind if they nerf killers' addons if they are gonna buff their base powers. billy is probably the most broken he can 1 hit any one and fly across the map with basically no negative effects towards him. He is also the easiest killer to play just get close and chainsaw. Hillbilly is the most balanced killer in the game.

@Delfador said:

@Global said:

@Bartex said:

@SadonicShadow said:

Killers that need to be buffed would include freddy, wraith, leatherdaddy, pig. I don't think any killer needs to be nerfed tho. I know alot of people advocate for the nurse to be gutted but she is the only killer that can stand a chance against swf death squads and succeed. She translates player skill and experience into real performance that you can see. Nurse as is, is perfectly fine at base. Her addon need to be nerfed/reworked. 4 and 5 blinks should not be a thing since it eliminates almost all counter play for the survivors.



nurse is not the only one that can stand, i've played some tournaments, and nurse main killed only one survivor, when the hillbilly main killed full team ;v



Because billy is easy to play skill takes actual skill and no im not a survivor main i am a killer main so have fun coming up with an arguement other than "HA RANK 27 SURVIVOR MAIN GIT GUD"

There is not much thing a billy can do if he faces good survivors. He can be easily looped. Yes he can chainsaw people easily but you have your tools to fight him. 'If he gets close, he can chainsaw'. Don't let him get close then? 'One way or another he will get close I can't avoid him 5 gens'. True but we also need to remember that you are not the only target there. He needs to do that multiple times. This is not a 1v1 game. As a survivor, you are not as powerful as the killer. At least you shouldn't be.

Being an easy killer or a hard killer is not related to being OP. Nurse can be the easiest killer or the hardest one, it doesn't matter. She is broken, billy is not.



@yeet @Delfador  Every killer needs to chase someone multiple times even nurse has to do it multiple times hell i find fighting her easier than billy because once you break line of sight with her just make her think you are going one way when your not simple. He has no draw back to one of the most powerful abilities in the game which is to cut the chase in half. He has immense map pressure and can instantly get to one side of the map to another better than nurse ever can. Yea being an easy killer doesnt make you op but if the easy killer has an extremely powerful ability it does because the more powerful the ability the harder to play the killer it should be. "There is not much thing a billy can do if he faces good survivors." I dont know what you mean here? That he needs his ability to fight the good survivors but in that case so does nurse so how would she deserve a nerf anymore than billy?



why does he need a drawback?

billy is fine (You) just need to get good

How does what i say mean i should get good? xD i said he is easy to play doesnt that mean i am already good with him? and everything i said is why he needs a nerf read it before coming up with playground insults unless they are all you have

Every killer should be as powerful as billy, not the other way round 🙂

That has nothing to do with what i said so clearly you have nothing to say thanks for the debate.

@Global said:

@yeet said:
Global said:

@Delfador said:

Doc is far from being OP. His base kit is really really weak. His addons are good but doesn't make him very powerful imo. He is just fcking annoying.

Nurse is very powerful. I know a couple of people on this forum think that she is 'balanced' but I think she definitely needs nerfs.

I don't have any problem with Hillbilly, Hag, Myers and Huntress. I think they are balanced.

Clown doesn't have much pressure on the map but he is a really good chaser. I don't think he needs to be buffed.

Doc's base kit can be buffed. If it is gonna happen, they can even nerf his addons. I wouldn't mind.

Freddy, Leatherface, Pig, Trapper are the most desperate ones for buffs I think.

Wraith got a buff but I didn't test him on the PTB so I have no idea.

I wish every killer was in the same level with billy because he is the most balanced one imo. I am talking about base kits though. I don't mind if they nerf killers' addons if they are gonna buff their base powers.

billy is probably the most broken he can 1 hit any one and fly across the map with basically no negative effects towards him. He is also the easiest killer to play just get close and chainsaw.

Hillbilly is the most balanced killer in the game.

@Delfador said:

@Global said:

@Bartex said:

@SadonicShadow said:
Killers that need to be buffed would include freddy, wraith, leatherdaddy, pig. I don't think any killer needs to be nerfed tho. I know alot of people advocate for the nurse to be gutted but she is the only killer that can stand a chance against swf death squads and succeed. She translates player skill and experience into real performance that you can see. Nurse as is, is perfectly fine at base. Her addon need to be nerfed/reworked. 4 and 5 blinks should not be a thing since it eliminates almost all counter play for the survivors.

nurse is not the only one that can stand, i've played some tournaments, and nurse main killed only one survivor, when the hillbilly main killed full team ;v

Because billy is easy to play skill takes actual skill and no im not a survivor main i am a killer main so have fun coming up with an arguement other than "HA RANK 27 SURVIVOR MAIN GIT GUD"

There is not much thing a billy can do if he faces good survivors. He can be easily looped.

Yes he can chainsaw people easily but you have your tools to fight him. 'If he gets close, he can chainsaw'. Don't let him get close then?

'One way or another he will get close I can't avoid him 5 gens'. True but we also need to remember that you are not the only target there. He needs to do that multiple times. This is not a 1v1 game. As a survivor, you are not as powerful as the killer. At least you shouldn't be.

Being an easy killer or a hard killer is not related to being OP. Nurse can be the easiest killer or the hardest one, it doesn't matter. She is broken, billy is not.

@yeet @Delfador Every killer needs to chase someone multiple times even nurse has to do it multiple times hell i find fighting her easier than billy because once you break line of sight with her just make her think you are going one way when your not simple. He has no draw back to one of the most powerful abilities in the game which is to cut the chase in half. He has immense map pressure and can instantly get to one side of the map to another better than nurse ever can. Yea being an easy killer doesnt make you op but if the easy killer has an extremely powerful ability it does because the more powerful the ability the harder to play the killer it should be. "There is not much thing a billy can do if he faces good survivors." I dont know what you mean here? That he needs his ability to fight the good survivors but in that case so does nurse so how would she deserve a nerf anymore than billy?

If a nurse is godly, there is not much you can do against her. Not every single nurse is like that but there are nurses who can down an entire team in one minute easily.

"There is not much thing a billy can do if he faces good survivors."

You can use pallets and windows against a billy. There is nothing he can do to catch you. It doesn't entirely depend on his skill to catch you. You need to make a mistake so that he can get a hit or chainsaw you.

Nurse? If she is good and if her blinks are on point, there is no way to go. If she can read you well, she can easily down you. She just struggles in some terrible maps like lery's institute. Her skill depends on her user, not survivors.

I don't know which tournament you are talking about but in the one I have watched, there were just nurses. The reason why people chose to use the nurse rather than billy is because she is much more powerful.

You can ask any good survivor or killer in the game, in the forums, or the streamers. I don't think anyone will say that nurse is weaker than billy.

Sir_Kazi said:

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Sir_Kazi said:

HOW does FREDDY need a buff? I don't understand. He can see you when in dream world. you have to fail a skill check so it shows where you are on map. his walk speed is ridiculous. what are you guys saying?

yep this one is going in to my cringe compliation 

you talkin ######### without explaining why. I been surviving for a while. what are his cons because I only see the pros.

Actually play him.

I only survive at the moment. once I prestige all survivors and #########. It's Killer time

@yeet said:
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Sir_Kazi said:

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Sir_Kazi said:

HOW does FREDDY need a buff? I don't understand. He can see you when in dream world. you have to fail a skill check so it shows where you are on map. his walk speed is ridiculous. what are you guys saying?

yep this one is going in to my cringe compliation 



you talkin ######### without explaining why. I been surviving for a while. what are his cons because I only see the pros.

Actually play him.

I only survive at the moment. once I prestige all survivors and #########. It's Killer time

Explains why you think he's any good, only playing the game on easy mode will do that to you.
playing him is like plucking your own teeth with pliers

bro you keep saying vague ass statements. Ok i'll go first bro.

His walk speed is crazy in dream world, he's invisible so you're forced to get caught into dreamworld. Unless there is some secret i dont know on how to avoid him. he can see you outside his terror radius. so even if he chasing someone else, you have to hit a gen and get exposed. those are the pros he has that i've seen while surviving. now PLZ explain what makes him awful. i see EVERYONE saying he needs buffs but no one explaining why.

@Sir_Kazi said:
"Every killer should be as powerful as billy, not the other way round"

WRONG. all killers should just be billy then. They all have their kits. some are easier than others but doesn't mean it's weaker. You need a bigger skill gap. i think freddy is fine. someone tell me his cons cuz i dont see them

Freddy is good against survivors who solely depend on stealth to survive.

His power is almost meaningless against good loopers because his power doesn't benefit him in chases.

When you become a better runner/looper you will understand what I mean. For example, when I started to play the game, urban evasion, Iron will etc. were a must have for me. When I got better, I ditched my stealth build and started to use other perks.

Again, if you solely depend on stealth and there is nothing else that you can do against a killer, freddy I dare to say is the most powerful killer in the game. However, most of survivors become better at running/looping.

His walk speed is %115 like most of other killers. He doesn't have crazy ms.

only thing i'm trying to master is that 360 #########. i'm baffled on how to do it