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Holding Game Hostage
Just finished a match where the killer slugged the last 2 survivors. Didn't attempt to hang either. Just left us both there until we died. It wasn't that he couldn't find us either. He was right there with us. I realize there are killers that utilize slugging as a strategy. However, this killer had every opportunity to hang us and end the game much quicker as opposed to just letting us lay on the ground until we died.
For future reference..... is this against the rules? If I reported behavior like this along with a video would it result in any sort of punitive action?
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I would think its more griefing than holding the game hostage, but what do I know
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True. It may be more griefing than holding hostage. I guess my question is wondering whether or not it would be considered something BHVR would look at as against the rules and result in possible punitive action.
I understand slugging as a strategy, but slugging to be a [bad word] should be punishable.
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It's not holding hostage, the game ends eventually. Sure might be boring, but the game does reach an end.
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i just had a match where i slugged to the last 3 and i hooked 2 but the 3rd crawled over to a corner with no hooks i then picked her up but she started to struggle and since there was no hooks nearby she was gonna break free so i just let her bleed out. I wasn't trying to be toxic or anything like that its just why pass up a free 4k.
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after 4 mins they will die, woulkd be different if the killer couldnt kill them because they were exploiting for example while also taking game hostage.
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Not holding the game hostage. Just a killer being a douche. Not really much to do about it.
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I hate playing against killers that do this. Had one refuse to hook any of us. We all took turns being down and the one person up trying to get at least one other up before getting knocked down. I really wish people would recover when they are down.
But yeah we got 1 generator done. And we were all just laying there, together by a hook.
It was a waste of time, given as a survivor you wait what? 20 to 45 mins for a game and it's got a troll of a killer. You don't disconnect cause you'll lose what little points you have. I really wish that there was a suicide option for this scenario.
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It's only holding the game hostage if they prevent the game from ending, in some way. I had a killer, once, that took me into a corner, and would let me struggle to escape. However, because of the location he could instantly down me, then he would pick me up...rinse and repeat. I couldn't die, or escape, and the game would never end. Only time I have DC'd intentionally.
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It's not bannable but it should be.
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Its not holding the game hostage, you bleedout and the game ends.
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Not only is it NOT holding the game hostage, it's not griefing either.
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Honestly no it shouldn't. If it's a feature people are going to use it. Blame BHVR for making part of the game loop unfun
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I personally think it should be something you can be banned for doing. Again, I understand slugging as a strategy to get the win. However, slugging every survivor left in the match and then just letting them lay there is ridiculous. I will put it this way. I would really like someone from BHVR to comment on this. If this isn't against the rules I will DC if it ever happens again. I will gladly take a 5 minute penalty in that situation. I haven't DC'd from a match after the 1st week I played this game and I have been playing for 2 years, but I would DC for this.
DC'ing in this situation will hurt no one but me. I will be the one to get a penalty. No one else will suffer any consequences.
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No, slugging people until they die is not against the rules as you can see in the list here:
Slugging is not taking the game hostage either, since you will bleed out and die in a certain amount of time.
You can find more information on the game rules here: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/19450/game-rules-and-report-system
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I mean... were you playing super toxic? was he anticipating a decisive strike? was he waiting out your unbreakable? Sounds like he was playing it safe. Survivors have no clue the amount of utility they have. These safe plays ensure that 1) survivors do not get what they want (because they want in their own self interests) 2) the survivors get what they deserve for being toxic... maybe respect your killer and they will respect you? or are survivors unable to comprehend that?
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NO just make it so that survivors have an option to K.O.
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There is a difference between "slugging" and slugging every remaining survivor and just leaving them without making an attempt to hang them. If BHVR is unable to see that is toxic and griefing that is stupendously shortsighted. I will simply DC if it ever happens again and take the penalty.
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No one was being toxic except for the killer. I didn't have decisive strike or unbreakable. But again, the killer made zero attempt to pick either of us up or hang us. I'm always amused when people automatically take up for their side and assume it was due to the other side doing something wrong. Guess what? There are toxic players on both sides.
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Wow! So a mod comments. I respond and my comment has to await approval before it can be posted. Seriously? Responses to mods have to get approval before they can be posted?
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Holding the game hostage implies that one or more players are prevented from bringing about the game's end without resorting to leaving. Slugged survivors will bleed out, which is intended the put a timer on them and end the match if they are left on the ground -- which means the match will end without anyone needing to disconnect.
Holding the game hostage would be, like, if the killer trapped you in a corner and you could literally not move, and they didn't hit your or move themselves, and just kept you there.
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I can see that. I still think it should fall into griefing. This isn't slugging the next to last survivor to draw out the last one. This killer simply slugged both and left us to bleed out. He made absolutely no attempt to even pick either of us up, much less to hang us. So, if BHVR sees no issue in a killer intentionally wasting my time I will simply choose to waste it on a 5 minute ban as opposed to bleeding out in that situation. It may never happen to me again. This is the first time in 2 years I have seen a killer slug every remaining survivor and let them bleed out, but if it does I know what I will do.
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To each their own. I'm just explaining the reasonable definition of "holding the game hostage" as it pertains to reportable offenses. The act of bleeding out and dying is intended to bring the game to an end and prevent this from happening. It may take longer than you'd like, but making it shorter would have questionable implications for game strategies.
I do agree, in any case, that the killer you're describing was being a jerk.
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Understood. I really do see that it doesn't qualify as holding the game hostage. That was bad wording on my part. At the same time there is zero legitimate reason to slug the last 2 survivors and just let them bleed out. A killer would get more points by hanging the last 2 survivors. That means the only reason to slug and leave every remaining survivor is just to be a jerk.
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That really isn't holding the game hostage, because the game will end in due time. Killers really dont have any ability to hold the game hostage because all they do is slow down survivor actions.
Situations that do hold the game hostage are survivors who do not complete gens and just hide. Especially when there are two of them and they are blendettes. The game is not progressing because none of them will take any risks or do anything to move the game along (gens or being on a hook).
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So what your saying is killer are never toxic unless provoked by a survivor? Because if that is what your saying then your wrong. Toxic people exist on both sides but clearly your too biased to comprehend that. Smh
Killers can be toxic for no reason just like survivors.
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How presumptuous of you ;) I ever said that.
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Slugging is not holding the game hostage. The only thing I think a killer can do at this point to hold a game hostage is one person being alive and just standing on the hatch. That being said, if it's one person alive with a few gens left, they would have to go around and finish the gens. Which, as annoying as it would be, would still progress the match in a slower pace.
It's much easier to take the game hostage as survivors by not doing gens and being immersive enough to where the killer couldn't find anyone. I had that happen in a game so I just started face camping every survivor I hooked. 45 minute to an hour game btw
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Read your second point.
"The survivor get what they deserve for being toxic... Maybe respect your killer and they will respect you? Or are survivors unable to comprehend that?
Your acting as if killers are not toxic unless provoked by a survivor
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It's only griefing if that same killer does it to you every match over multiple matches. Then, you've got a case, to some extent
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Can't hold the game hostage if the game is on a timer and will end. Just go make yourself a sandwich and wait it out.
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It is possible for a Killer to hold the game hostage. He can block a survivor in a corner. Sure, when other survivors are alive, EGC can end the game, but there was a post recently about this Situation and a Dev said, that doing it before the endgame starts is against the rules.
It's also possible to block the last survivor in a corner before the hatch is closed, so no EGC will end the game.
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But he isn't stopping the gens from going, which is what keeps the game going. Killers cannot stop the game entirely, as that is what holding it hostage means. Killers have no power in this regard.
EDIT: you specified if the hatch is open. That is the one situation I can think of where that is possible.
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If it's the last survivor, that would indeed be holding the game hostage. Killers require extremely unlikely scenarios to be able to hold the game hostage (in the form of bodyblocking survivors in a dead-end or a corner), but they can do it. It's just that survivors can do it at basically any point and without much difficulty.
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