inb4 killer power nerf

How is it not OP?

the further you are the easier it is to dodge, granted, but its not the long range that worries me. Just like I am not bothered by Huntress her long range. Its the short range that I care about. And on short range, its insane. Dont deny that #########.

Looping is part of survivor gameplay, if you cant loop, there is no reason to get out and distract the killer. Having a hard time looping a specific killer and being unable to loop are 2 massively different things. I dont mind Freddy's slows as a form of anti-loop(I do mind his teleport and his ability to fully entrap things that even a trapper cant entrap). I do mind Spirit's passive phasing, but thats because her basekit ability is simply overpowered and simply shouldnt be in the game as it is(seriously, for spirit to be balanced as a killer, you need to run 0 addons and refrain from using stridor).

Looping isnt lame, looping is the only interesting thing a survivor can do other than gens. Im 100% gonna bet that 90% of survivors will get a genrush build if his current anti-looping kit stays as strong as it is.

"force a survivor to actually make a play rather then kill time and driving me to bored tears with circling the same piece of furniture."

Like what? run into you to tank a hit to be able to go to the next pallet? There is nothing a survivor can do without windows and pallets. Looping a piece of furniture to buy time literally is making a play other than windows and pallets.

"His weakness is stealth. When you crouch his torment can't be applied to you." This isnt necessarily a problem as a concept. However, you now will have everyone running urban evasion and crouching the whole game. Like that isnt boring gameplay.

" imagine that perks like distortion, pebble, urban evasion, spine chill, featherweight and some of tap's perks would cream this guy. Especially since one of his best powers denies BQQC. One of the best detection perks."

Problem being: survivors dont know which killer they will be facing untill the game starts. BBQ isnt the best detection perk tho. Its a good one and the double bloodpoints at the end of the match make it overall more rewarding, but once you own all the perks and have plenty of addons, you have better perks. Like Corrupt Intervention, Dead Man's Switch, I'm All Ears(which is gonna make Executioner insane), Thrilling Tremors and Surveillance are all better information perks than BBQ. I'd say even Gearhead could be a better information perk. Especially since BBQ can so easily be countered with vanilla mechanics. While all previous mentioned perks cannot.

If at least solo survivors would be given a heads up on which killer they would be facing, my problems with this killer would disappear near instantly. But while optimal SWF is incredibly strong, solo survivors are getting ######### more and more every update.

"You can loop the killer, you cant loop him as much"

I massively disagree with this. If the killer has any gamesense, you cant loop him at all. The cooldowns and charge times are too small to make any looping a reality. Especially since I'm All Ears is probably gonna be one of the strongest, if not the strongest perk to run on PH. It's gonna be essentially why T&L walls are gonna be dead tiles against a Billy because there is a 99.9% chance of him running Bamboozle. I'm not saying PH's kit is necessarily overpowered, but with the current times, it is. Essentially everything is a deadzone in theory. I mean, lets take a nurse, in theory, you cant use pallets against her, however, if you time things correctly and mindgame properly, you still could use pallets against her. Even against a huntress, you could drop a pallet before she is able to get an angle on you to increase distance. Even against a Freddy you could use a pallet in your favor. Against PH tho, the only way I see pallets working is dropping them before he chases you and vault those pallets before he is in range to create distance. Which is extremely impactful on the game in general as most pallets arent that strong. Right now, PH's full potential isnt reached yet, and counterplay is little to none due to him just having been released on the PTB. So like all killers on release, ofcouse he is gonna be extremely strong untill counterplay has been developed, but at least during release you know there is a 90% chance of you facing PH and you can counterbuild him specifically. My problem lies after the release hype has died down, he'll be even stronger, especially considering he both has a ranged attack, and still has 115% movementspeed.

"you're eventually pushed off the loop if he decides to use his power and killer should have that kind of pressure"

I agree, but Trapper has that ability by placing or faking a trap. Billy and Bubba have the ability to quickly destroy the pallet. Let alone that its gonna be fairly easy to get people tormented in most looping scenario's.

"run away"

thats the problem, there is nowhere to run to. And yeah, some loops are incredibly boring. At least T&L walls have tons of interaction, which is why I hate bamboozle billy, because its literally the only structure that is fun to mindgame at. It can be incredibly rewarding if a killer mindgames better than a survivor there and its incredibly rewarding if you outplay a killer there. Considering the only way to truly escape a killer is to have a pallet that literally forces the killer to take a massive detour, looping boring safe structures is literally the only way to force a killer to give up. I mean, a killer shouldnt waste 1 minute of his time chasing a survivor when he could down another survivor in the same time, so looping is a way for a survivor to get a killer to give up the chase and go after someone else. It's pretty much the only way.

"try to hide"

This would be nice, if there actually was a good way to hide. In F13, you at least could hide under a bed or in a closet and it would take enough time to get out and run away without 1 million scratchmarks following you. The reason to hide is so you have an oppertunity to run. In DBD, this isnt an option. The time it takes a killer to check an empty locker is just barely enough to go for a speedy escape, letting the killer know exactly where you were, leaving behind scratchmarks, letting the killer know exactly where you went. So if you are in a chase, there is no way you can hide from a killer, even if you gained some distance.

"Im happy to see it being curtailed with breakable walls and anti-looping powers"

I agree, but in the current gamestate, its simply too overpowered to implement, I am not against giving a free hit if a survivor does something what they shouldnt do, and im all for having a punishment for survivors looping 1 structure for too long, but in that case, why not simply apply deep wounds when a survivor is already injured? Why not block windows instead that would force a survivor to run away? Why a long range attack that in most maps is essentially a free hit? I have the same issue with huntress, because the only real counters to her ability are very long distance or walls, yet even in walls she can charge a hatchet fast enough to make vaults useless. If huntress had a slight larger charge requirement for her to throw an axe, then at least you could go to the only structure that would be a counter to her ability. Any other structure and you're #########. Now the same applies to PH, but even worse, as he is just as fast, if not faster, and has a wider hitbox. As for PH's Cage, my biggest issue is that any hook related perks do not apply. So I do see a lot of camping PH's coming with no way to counter it. Camping is already toxic AF towards the survivor, now all im gonna see is russians using the iridescent addon if they are forced to hook and otherwise camping the cage to fully counter BT. And since they can also counter DS, and they dont care about being depipped(they would use ebony mori if they could, which countered DS already, now you have it even worse by not even needing ebony mori). So all I see is enabling massive toxicity with no way to counter it. At least on other killers, except Freddy, you could use BT to counter campers. The bonusses that PH brings to the table dont even come close to the downsides that he brings with him. There are too many problems with his powers. Huntress with Irihead used to be the go-to russian camping tunneler, and at least she has 110% movementspeed.

""This isnt necessarily a problem as a concept. However, you now will have everyone running urban evasion and crouching the whole game. Like that isnt boring gameplay." Feather Weight and urban evasion. There you go. I fixed your forever crouching problem for you while retaining most of your stealth. You got two options: hide and think about spots you can avoid the killer as they slowly close in on you. Or mindlessly make noise notification and then run around the same object for up to 3 to 4 times."

I already mentioned Urban Evasion. As for feather weight, I am assuming you either mean Lightweight or Quick and Quiet, but I dont really see either of them being a legitimate counter. In my opinion, there need to be vanilla counters to a killer's basekit. Perks should be enhancements to countering a killer, but not a requirement. There arent any realistic counters to PH other than genrushing. So either a lot of killers are gonna complain they are being genrushed, or survivors are gonna complain that there is no way to extend a chase. I already have my build ready for when PH gets released(and I am saving up BP's to get Mason's perk, because now there finally is a perk that allows to pick yourself up multiple times without being Broken, let alone a perk to finally counter Pop). Not having any vanilla counter(or having a terrible one, looking at you Freddy alarmclocks that spawn all the way across the map), can be a massive issue for a killer. The only upside about PH is his lack of map pressure, but considering his 1v1 is so incredibly strong, he can easily continue genpatrol.

"A lot of killers get insane advantages because survivors have no ability to prepare their perks. But this will make SWF nightmarish since they would all comm and insta-team build to counter your killer. Same thing with a killer that can see a sruvivor."

And I agree, which is why I'd suggest that only happening to Solo Survivors. Perhaps first a pre-game chat, then a short 20 second window without chatting possibilities to quickly adjust your perks/offering and solo survivors get to see the killer, while the killer gets to see who are premade and who is not(aka seeing people who know who the killer is and who dont). Perhaps even giving the average time it took for a match to finish while they were premade, to be able to recognise an optimal SWF genrushing team and just an SWF who are playing together to chill. I mean, either that, or add in vanilla counters. No perks, addons or offerings included. Those should always remain secret untill after everything is locked in.

And yeah, a gen rush as defined by survivors tend to be working on a gen together, while a genrush by killer mains is basically any time more than 1 generator gets popped in a single chase, regardless if the chase lasted 5 minutes to begin with and only had 2 gens popped(i mean seriously, how is 2 gens in 5 minutes a genrush?)

Well, kinda, they give information on where survivors would be or where they wouldnt be. Having information on where a survivor isnt is just as useful as having information on where a survivor is. Just because they dont give an aura of the survivors doesnt mean its not a detection perk. And gearhead isnt as bad as many people claim it to be. As long as a generator is being worked on, after a skill check, it will remain yellow. Its essentially Surveillance without having to kick the gen first and it will remain yellow longer. The only downside is place a basic attack 2 times. So yeah, on some killers its quite ######### and surveillance or discordance is simply a better option due to not requiring 2 basic attacks. However, that doesnt mean its garbage.

I am assuming you said Good for solo survivors getting shittier every update? No variety will make solo survivors better. Having a killer be strong against SWF isnt a problem, having a killer being strong against solo survivor is.