Clown Bottle Slowdown Comparison (4.0.0 PTB & 3.7.2)

Damn, this is great, thanks.

Seems to make about a 4 second difference. This is going to be massive.

Love this

It should be even more effective if you are able to throw bottles ahead of them instead of directly on them

Damn thats great, I hope this is only the first step.

I was thinking the same thing. Had he thrown it over Meg she would have been slowed longer while she ran through it. That would have shaved a few seconds off of the chase.

That is fantastic. What a difference a slight buff can make. Hopefully the first of many for Clown. He needs it.

I don’t play clown, but would it make a difference when you throw the bottle?? Like, if you throw it within the first few seconds vs. after 9 seconds.

This was my first thought as well, like holy crap that was long and that was just a freaking straight line...imagine adding pallets, loops, a DS, a BT, a Dead Hard etc etc. It makes it pretty obvious why gens fly so fast.

My second thought was how garbage the bottles were. I felt like they were making much more of a difference than they actually are. The addons experiment is pretty irrelevant to me because you won't have those addons every game so it's unrealistic to include those when looking at somethings balance for the most part.

Even after 4.0 the bottles look god awful. That's barely much of a gain from using the bottles at all. Especially seeing as it's his only ability. I'm not saying 4 seconds isn't significant, I'm just saying 17 seconds for the chase still when it's only a straight line isn't going to be good enough.

Clown going from F- tier to F tier!

Honestly, he needs a complete rework. His bottles are worse than Freddy's snares, have to be aimed, and have to be reloaded. And he doesn't have map wide teleport, and is affected by BT. There is literally 0 reason to play Clown over Freddy, he's worse in every single way.

Really good loopers all understand the power of holding forward. In fact, if you want optimize every loop, you want to hold forward for as long possible, get to a pallet and depending tileset, loop it as long as possible, than drop it pallet. Make sure killer breaks it than hold forward to the next loop. Don't believe that non-sense that you can "waste pallets".

This gives some insight for why maps like Indoor maps such as Hawkin and Lery have very high killrates. Part of the reason has to do with the inability to hold forward on these maps and in SoloQ, These maps are very small, so many players while holding forward often run into teammates who are working on generators. In any case, lesser experienced killers can get looped on these maps because there are circular loops on those maps.

Fun fact, A lot of top-tier killers in the game have direct counters to this strategy. Billy has his chainsaw to gap-close. Freddy can generator teleport ahead of you. Spirit has phase walk. Nurse has her range add-on/blinks. Oni has his dash but you can heavily abuse him in early game. This is why when you play Low-tier killer, It is very strange when killers somehow win on like farm maps such as Fractured Cowshed or Ormond where you have a huge map, ton of pallets and on top of that, Jungle gyms everywhere.

@DudeDelicious The extra distance gained is static 4 seconds. in some sense, you could say that clown self-slow reduced his bottle duration to 1 second and in that time, he lost some meters of distance which potentially could be difference between survivor hitting a vault/pallet and clown hitting you at a vault/window. In some sense, you could say he got free Ether 70% Volume add-on for free in his kit as bugfix. I don't think this huge game changer or anything but I think it might allow clown to make deadzones in an area more quickly because you'll have to use pallets that are closer together or juke/respect bottle throws more. that is another reason why holding forward and using pallets across the map is good way to preserve map's strength while maximizing pallet time waste. I still think clown will struggle to beat good teams regardless of this fact as his kit is very one dimensional and hard to utilize to produce results.

It just means you did a better bottle throw than dude in the video. the same bottle throw in PTB is same as Live. Just that PTB is statistically always 4 seconds better.