Let's argue: Worst add-ons.
Long days and pleasant nights. Welcoming all hot takes, unpopular opinions and tough questions, and we argue in this segment. What add-ons do you think are terrible on both sides? Some can even hurt your playstyle. My pick is speed limiter on Billy, why would you do that to yourself?
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Before I start for disclosure I play on console so my response may differ on PC.
Anything Nurse has.
Its already difficult to learn Nurse blinks (timing/distance) and using add-ons messes with your eventual understanding. If you end up becoming proficient with an add-on you will notice the struggle once you run out.
I feel Nurse is a killer best played without add-ons.
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Any of the Bloodpoint Add-ons from any Killer.
Rickety Chain from Deathslinger, Kid's Drawing from Freddy, Padded Jaws from Trapper, Scarred Hand from Hag, White-Nit Comb from Nurse, and Vanity Mirror on Myers (at least Scratched Mirror has some use for Jumpscare builds)
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Any bloodpoint addons like already mentioned.
Tombstone Piece on michael; it takes ages to charge up and if you play it wrong just get a single insta kill, then back to t2 for most of the match. It's just pretty boring as and against (same with Judith's but at least you're slow in that one).
Anything on nurse.
Instructions for a toolbox--what's the point of removing skillchecks when the box lasts 8 seconds? Seriously?
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Speed limiter on Bubba. He's an overall weaker killer (community's belief, not mine) since Billy's chainsaw still gives distance and map pressure. Also he gets 50% extra Bloodpoints compared to Bubbas 25%.
Actually @not_Queen can we change this for Bubba in the next patch. Why does he get less points than Billy. Bubba doesn't like this sort of discrimination lol
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I am on console as well, I agree because nurse is based on muscle memory and it hurts you to play with most add-ons on her.
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I agree, bloodpoint addons usually bring a HUGE hindrance to the killer like on billy.
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I disagree, tombstone piece is very good when paired with faster stalking add-ons but Judiths tombstone is trash.
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I just personally don't enjoy it, and don't think it encourages either interactive or fun gameplay (even though fun is subjective). But hey, that's the glory of opinions lol.,
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Yeah, I don't find it very fun either, I think the tombstone piece can be considered overpowered. I agree that's the glory of opinions. That's why I started this let's argue segment, to start a discussion.
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Ruleset No. 2
Unless the survivors are total idiots, then you're actively forcing survivors ONTO GENERATORS, which is the exact opposite of what you want, unless you want to be called a tunneller.
I get what people say about the Nurse add-ons, but her add-ons don't actively hinder the player like RS2 does.
For survivors, the Tombstone add-ons suck, especially with no minimum stalk requirement to kill.
But for one of THEIR add-ons, the green Med-Kit one that increases healing speed at the cost of 8 charges to the Med-Kit. Unless I'm running Self-Care and Streetwise for efficiency. In which case why am I running this Med-Kit with those perks? I can just ditch the kit and run Botany instead of Streetwise and heal myself in a better manner.
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Every Nurse addon except her recharge addons.
What's the point of reworking Nurse when you slap on a Red Bar and force Nurse players to use her Recharge Addons.
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Regarding the Med-Kit Add On - it can be used with the yellow Med Kit and another Speed Add On for one really quick heal.
Also works with the Syringe, which allows a quicker heal with the Syringe. Even more when paired with a green Med Kit and Botany.
Also, to throw in some Add Ons myself:
Everything what gives BPs (except Padded Jaws, I like to pair them with Honing Stone for more STBFL-Stacks, not as terrible as it sounds, lol)
The Pig Add On which gives increased Skill Check Chances
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Yeah the bloodpoints addons no doubt
I kinda like the idea of hindering your self for more reward but with how each category is capped at 8000 you'll never get any real benifit out of them
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Frank's Mixtape is objectively the most badly designed add-on in existence.
Like Rule Set #2 sucks, don't get me wrong. But it can maybe, possibly help get you head pop.
BP add-ons give you more BP at the cost of a, typically minor, penalty and can be a fun challenge.
Frank's Mixtape is just objectively worthless.
And not because it's bugged like some add-ons, but because it's effect goes in the face of everything you should be doing with your power as The Legion: encouraging you to tunnel one person with your power and try to get their Deep Wound timer to run out.
And that's only if a Survivor doesn't just Mend during the time you spend stunning yourself for using Feral Frenzy to hit a Survivor with Deep Wounds or the time you spend waiting for your Feral Frenzy to recharge after hitting them.
It's just bad and pointless and dumb; traits unfortunately shared (albeit to a lesser degree) by a number of Legion's add-ons.
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A lot of nurse add-ons DEFINITELY hinder her.
Both red add-ons are garbage, the 3-blink one is almost useable on maybe autohaven maps.
Spasmodic breath is just... what. You're giving up your entire power, the best chase ability in the game, to play like the most basic M1 killer for 60 seconds.
The bloodpoint add-on also shortens her lunge distance.
So basically she has 4 terrible add-ons, and the rest are either meh or decent. The distance add-ons are still the best, they actually give you even more distance now compared to before, it just takes a while to charge. Honestly she has a lot of really cool add-on combinations and builds that I don't see many people talk about.
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Frank's Mix Tape and Stab Wounds Study are literally worse than useless. I don't know why the devs didn't rework these add-ons yet.
Any purple add-on with the Hemorrhage effect as his only effect ( Freddy and Pyramid Head ).
Iridescent Family Crest ( this should've been a common add-on, not a frickin ultra rare )
Nurse's red and purple add-ons.
Pig's skill checks add-ons.
Demogorgon's Undetectable add-ons.
Iridescent Coin.
Blood points add-ons ( they hinder you greatly and are bad even for farming ).
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Funny thing is also that Pig's add-ons are in a similar boat. Half of them actively hinder you in some way, like giving MORE skill-checks or RS2 OR are just straight up useless, like Hemorrhage or Exhausted with an RBT.
Even the "useful" ones are meh. The Gears family are somewhat dependent on survivors NOT getting the first box, and similar story with Tampered Timer with generators being complete. Last Will gives me another trap, buuuuuut I could easily be gen-rushed and have half of them be useless. More boxes? More chances of that first box key AND one of them increases the RBT death timer!
The only consistently helpful add-ons are the 3 Dash add-ons to me, and even then, you're relying on not facing good Spine Chill or Sprint Burst users. At least with Nurse's add-ons you know EXACTLY what gou're getting in to, where as most Pig add-ons are further dice rolls, but sometimes with better odds.
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Leatherface's speed limiter
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Most Nurse addons
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Mm it's hard to beat things like speed limiters. There is hags waterlogged shoe where you give up your power entirely for 4.4 movespeed. There's also the hemorrhage bear trap addons for pig, skill check addons for pig.
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pyramid head has really ######### ones
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THE SYRINGE LOOOOL
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Stab Wounds Study. Oh no, I have -5 seconds on a timer... that doesn't go down as long as I'm running or mending. It doesn't even have any meme potential like some of Nurse's addons (her two addons that increase her MS can at least be combined with PWYF for some memey strats). It just doesn't do anything. It's essentially a wasted addon slot. And it's a purple. What.
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All of Demmies except for his uncommon and commons
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Leprose lichen,red moss,Iridescent Family crest all of nurses add ons,amanda’s letter,Bloodpoint addons
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ANY survivor add-on.
With the exception of maybe flashlight batteries if you're into that sort of thing. I'm not.
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That's true. I like to use both the ambush add-ons on her. Makes it really hard for a survivor to react to at a medium to short loop. If I run out of video tapes I'll use combat straps, but sparingly. That add-on is addicting as hell.
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That perk would be dope if it only last like 20 secs
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Most of Legions add-ons are pure garbage, but out of all of them I am inclined to say that deep wounds study and franks mixtape are the absolute worst. They attempt to add lethalithy to a killer whose power is meant to stall, and cant even do it right.
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Small correction. Thats Spasmodic Breath, the 115% one, Very Rare. The Ultra Rare one is Matchbox which removes 1 blink and makes you slower than a 110% killer.
The point stands though.
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Pearl for the Key.
Why not just run beads + amber, or glass+ ring?
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Nearly all of Piggy's add-ons are worthless. Hope she gets them overhauled soon she needs it badly.
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I would argue the Gears and Ambush add-ons are her best, and Amanda's Letter changes how you play.
I wouldn't say nearly all of her add-ons are worthless, but she definitely could have better ones.
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As much as I enjoy playing as Pig...her add-ons are all pretty crap with the exception of Amanda's Letter. That said, the inefficiency of the other add-ons is likely attributed to the fact that the Reverse Bear Traps don't pose a serious threat.
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4.5 MS and bodyblocker hag isn't a bad build.
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Her addons that make her blinks recharge faster and that make her fatigue shorter are good. Imo
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speed limiter for bubba and nurses add ons the only god nurse add on is a common that lets u see where you can blink
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Deathslinger: Any red addon. On console, it is impossible to hit the expose addons requirement, while the other one is kinda useless.
Legion: Fuming Mixtape. Iri button has two effects. This only has one, and it isn't very good to begin with.
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I love Amanda's letter and how it changes how you play transformative add-ons are always the best however are you think it needs a little bit more considering it's an ultra rare.
Other add-ons are pretty much situational or easily negotiable
Amanda's letter due to having such severe downsides in comparison to its positive and being very map dependent makes it very situational
The status condition add-ons
The the extra box add-ons ( if someone gets it often the first two boxes it's practically useless)
Tempered timer is useless if they get it off before it activates or if they get it off immediately once it activates
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Straight up useless or detrimental.
Amanda secret I know there have been cases made for it but to me it's still straight up detrimental.
The add-ons that increase the skillcheck chance yeah if you're not up against the noob this does not help in the slightest in fact it makes it easier for people to get clutch greats.
Interlocking raises literally if you're not up against noobs or people who can't hit skill checks it is pointless
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Nurse has awful add ons for the most part. 4 of them are worth using (cooldown reduction and range). Many others are conditional upon you landing a blink attack in the first place. Others straight up make your power worse. And the ultra rares are meme-tier, as in I assume someone is meme-ing if they run them.
Honorable mention goes to Tattoo's Middle Finger. 6 seconds of aura reading on an intoxicated survivor. Ultra rare. Wut
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Alright gunslinger.
If I had to choose, either padded jaws, donut ring doctor, or speed limiter
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