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Not self caring against Legion is like playing with No Mither
Yes, I had a teammate tell me this after a Legion game. I was the only one that died so that made my argument invalid according to them, my argument which was had each teammate not self cares 2-3 times we could have finished the gens way earlier. There was no Thana so why self care when Legion gives them the first hit basically free.
I can’t wait for the ranking system to go, I’m not great by any stretch but seriously red ranks are a mess now.
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I mean self-caring against legion IS mostly bad. You're right. If you just self-care everytime he deep wounds you, you win the game for him because you give time and apply pressure on yourself. Because he can undo all your team self caring in one Frenzy. Not to mention that self-care is usually bad in high ranks. I am suprised that legion got 1k if your team self cared all the time. Though doing gens on big maps counters him I guess.
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I don't understand what's so bad about healing against Legion?
I've gone against many Rank 1 Legions and we've always healed and escaped. But then I hear these """"high ranked"""" players laughing at the ones that do heal saying "whY dO yOu heAL aGainSt lEgiOn?"
Makes no sense since I've made it to Rank 1 with no issue healing against Legion.
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Not to say you're wrong but you probably haven't made to Rank 1 just by playing only against Legion.😀 Different killers require different approach.
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Oh, no hell no.
I'd literally take a year break if that happened.
My God. He's my least favorite killer.
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I think there are times when healing is a good idea vs Legion and times when it isn't.
If the team as a whole seems to be good at getting gens done/pressure kept up then taking that extra time to heal may not be bad, however if the team is spending all their time healing and not doing gens then staying injured might be the best course.
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It’s not that healing is always bad vs legion, It’s that always healing Is bad vs legion. It’s similar to cleansing vs Plague, there are times it’s “right” and times it’s “wrong.”
Most effective time to heal IMO is grouped to quickly double heal everyone then split up again so he can’t frenzy you all back. Also of course using something like Inner Strength is solid.
Running to a corner to self heal every single time is wrong if you ask me, thats 30 seconds plus travel time. If you so that twice it’s a full gen worth, if every on the team does it even once that’s two gens worth.
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against legion the worst thing you can do is selfcare, it wastes 44 seconds at minimum because mending takes 12 seconds without addons so if you prioritize healing over doing a gen you give up 32 seconds of gen progress. The only time you should heal is if you find a med kit or you run into a survivor however you should give up on healing in the middle of it if you hear legions TR otherwise he might see you with nurses calling or hear the healing action which puts both you and your healers in danger.
if you have DH you should diffidently NOT focus on healing, legion is only good at getting people injured he has nothing to help him in a chase other than the perks he might bring so if you don't give him the benefit of injuring you repeatedly than he has to rely only on his own skill to get you while you have one of the strongest exhaustion perks in the game.
Lastly don't group up and repair the same gen in the beginning of the game after you find out it's legion, the best thing to do if you see him coming at your team is to split up and try to juke his frenzy if he tries to hit you. legion sucks at applying pressure to everyone if they are split up because his power is meant to get multiple survivors injured so if you don't let him do that then he has to go after whoever he found to try to apply pressure otherwise he is wasting his time.
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if you cant play the game injured you probably shouldnt be in red rank
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Not healing means that you are exposed. If you can manage to play with that, you are fine. If you are not a god looper, it won't help the team if you go down easily. The thing is, if you group up at any point, you give Legions power the most value by healing. Legion comes near you, you all get injured again easily. Or: if you all stay injured, one of you goes down.
The best thing is, if you group up, to have one survivor healthy that can take the hit and protect the others. Meaning, if you walk around alone, better be healthy or good ^^ also unhooking might require to be healthy
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Most of these tips how to play vs certain killers (don't heal vs Legion, don't cleanse vs Plague) imply that you and your team are able to hold your own in a chase
If the entire team starts dropping like flies the second everybody is injured it might not be that bad an idea to heal up
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Mathematics answer:
Mending 13 sec+ self care 32 sec= 45sec
Legion power refresh base time= 20 sec
Additional time to do gen if 4 stack thana=80sec*12%= 9.6 second
4 stack thana is op, please nerf because it take 10 second more to do gen so that I can self care which use 32 sec in the corner to buy some time to legion
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The game can be so easy. Like there is no other variable than time
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Pretty much. It's the only resource killers have. And they win it by pressuring survivors or thank to survivors mistakes.
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I agree about not healing against Legion, but can we also talk about survivors who drop pallets vs Legion in Frenzy?
LEGION CAN VAULT PALLETS. Any Legion with more than a handful of hours will respect pallets in Frenzy and then hit you anyway, so by dropping that pallet you just made it that much harder for your team to loop him when injured.
Don’t fear the Frenzy hit. It’s inevitable. You can try to juke it or window tech it or whatever but assume that it will happen, and SAVE PALLETS FOR WHEN YOU’RE INJURED.
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Self-care by itself in general is bad, but when it comes to killers who can easily injure or keep you injured, it seems much worse.
When I face Legions tho, it's always good to heal up to 99%, in case they're the type to not Frenzy injured. Keep em busy for a sec, pop the heal and make them decide if they want to leave you using Frenzy after wasting time or continue chasing you. (Even better if they do Frenzy and you make them miss) If you can loop, this is great against Legion imo.
However, if you're healed the Legion might just Frenzy you and leave, keeping you safe from getting downed.
It's really up to you if you want to spend the time Selfcaring against a killer who can easily injure, and either way can make the killer play less effectively if you are skilled enough.
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I main legion and people do heal against him which is a viable tactic. I'd love it if they didn't since that would make them extremely vulnerable. That being said selfcare without botany knowledge is brutal, those survivors basically turn the tables my way.
Smart survivors repair gens till the very last second while in deep wound to prevent killer instinct revealing their location again. And heal themselves after that with a medkit because you're doing legion a favour by teaming up for a heal. If you don't have a medkit don't waste time by searching for one or a teammate just work on a gen in a safe area.
Loads of people panic when they are injured against legion and make bad decisions even in red ranks. As a result; I find people injured working on gen's in unsafe area's --> free down, mending in the open --> free down, selfcaring in a deadzone --> free down. Learn from your mistakes as a survivor or else a decent legion will capitalize on them. It would amaze you how many survivors use selfcare while you have 4 stacks thanataphobia combined with sloppy butcher. If you're team doesn't know how to play against legion you're in for an almost impossible to win game. Loads of people dislike legion and therefore underestimate his ability to get consistent 3k-4k games.
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Mending takes 12 seconds.
Add +4 seconds to the recharge time because when the Legion is in fatigue the power doesn't recharge.
Also 4 stacks Thana on tier 3 is 16%.
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Healing against Legion is how you throw the game.
Obviously some exceptions like if you make a save and have We'll Make It or a very fast medkit to use, but generally speaking.
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I’d say different players require a different approach, because not every player (no matter the rank) plays Legion the same.
There are Legions that love to use Frenzy and ones that do not use it as much. In which case you CAN heal. I don’t think there is a set rule either way, but if you are going to always be in his vicinity and they happen to use frenzy a lot, you’re wasting time.
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These two points are kind of both right even though they disagree with each other. I think by red ranks you shouldn’t NEED healed instantly every time you get hurt. I see people run past 2-3 gens and spend over a minute looking for a teammate to heal them. I work on gens injured although if given a good opportunity to get healed I take it.
Also true if you aren’t a good looper then you should probably try to stay healed when it’s not too out of the way or wasting too much time because you’re right, people who stay injured and keep getting downed take more of time to rescue.
It comes down to playing to your strengths and weaknesses, but I will still say 99% of the time self caring against Legion is a waste. Also if you’re finding yourself hiding in a corner seal caring 3-4 times a game think about how much time that is. I even see people do this agajnst Sloppy UGH literally 4-5 minutes spent healing
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selfcare against legion is the equivalent to hiding inside lockers with iron maiden and then wondering how it backfired.
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