"Targeting specific users repeatedly in order to ruin their game experience" Clarification

@Fabyoulust said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/19450/game-rules-and-report-system
In the updated rules and Report System the above statement is listed in the Temp Ban Section for a temporary ban.
"Targeting specific users repeatedly in order to ruin their game experience" That is very vague and not very descriptive of what that entails. It seems like many survivors are going to take being hooked a second time (due to a teammate making a bad save likely) as being targeted and ruining their game.

In the non-bannable offense section it states that tunneling is not a bannable or reportable offense. Just seeking clarification as the first statement feels like it is talking about tunneling to me.

tbh I've always hated this rule even though I won't personally have an issue with it. Seems like a rule to protect very specific players where it could easily be covered by other rules.

The only scenario I can imagine this taking place is meant to protect big streamers. If a survivor gets into a game with the same killer 5 times in a row what is the killer supposed to do ignore them?

Fabyoulust said:

@Tsulan said:
It means that if you get in the lobby of the same killer over and over, and that killer focuses you, only you and no one else, than that would be reportable. 

So tunneling. which is on the not reportable list.

Hellbilly said:

@Tsulan said:
Hellbilly said:

I'm curious about this too because I sometimes get matched to this one troll every now and then. It was worse a few weeks ago when the matchmaking wasn't working and I'd get matched to the same people repeatedly. But whenever I see this troll I take out a mori and try to kill him. Because this guy will go out of his way to ruin the game for everyone. He'll DC when I down him, he'll stay still until crows circle, he'll sandbag other Survivors, and all that.

So could this guy take a couple of screen shots and cry to devs lying "He's bullying me! Please ban!" And I get punished?

The wording is so incredibly vague that it's troubling. Define "targeting one person" and define "ruin someone's game" @not_Queen

What is, according to the devs, "ruining someone's game?" Is it mori'ing them every time? Is it camping them? Is it slugging them? How is this determined? I really hope to god you don't use screen shots at least in this situation.

That's the point. If the killer focuses (tunnels) only on that survivor and ignores everyone else for several matches, than that's reportable. But, if said killer tunnels everyone, than that's not reportable. 

There's a fine lining and I guess they evaluate it from case to case. Since it's very hard to proof that a killer targets only 1 survivor for several matches. 

So in other words you don't know. Just say that. Because tunneling isn't bannable. They've confirmed that. So, if I get matched to so and so 3 times in a row, and I tunnel to make sure he dies (because he's an #########) now suddenly I'm banned because I quote unquote """""""bullied"'""""""" him? Come on.

@Nightmare247 said:

@Hellbilly said:

Okay, there's still problems with that. Let's say you get matched to an SWF squad. Let's say there's one guy, Kingshitlord, who is obviously like the leader of the squad. What if every time you matched to this squad and no matter your best attempts you're ONLY able to get Kingshitlord every time? So therefore, Kingshitlord can make up some BS and cry to the devs to get you banned.

If the devs are going off of screen shots then the guy playing victim can construct a narrative based on 5-6 screen shots even if the matches are more than a week apart. Like say, you get matched to the guy twice then next week it was once then the week after it was three times.

Not to mention that Kingshitlord can tell his SWF buddies to report you as well.

You see how this can be abused?

No, because it is extremely rare to see the same players over and over and over again. Once or twice maybe, but you will probably see at least another group in between or after a back to back match. What you are failing to see is the history of the situation. 1-2 games is not going to ban you. Now if you are 10-15 games and the only person you kill is Kingshitlord then maybe you will have some issues.

The real issue is you are looking at a 1% chance of what you described happening. Again this is a repeatable behavior that is deemed as harassment. The times I do see players in the same lobby are when they are stream sniping a streamer. You should worry less about being banned from this report more about things that will actually matter like verbally harassing players to [BAD WORD] or Racial slurs because unfortunately, that is way more common.

I don't know what rank your at but at ranks 3-1 it's not uncommon to see a short list of people repeatably throughout your sessions.

The devs have gotten a lot of flak for their unreliable report system in-game and taking out the other one months ago and the recent video's of tru3 getting streamsniped + sandbagged by trolls sparked intense conversation about it. In haste to quiet it down and take the heat off they rushed out a new report guideline but failed to address the gray areas and/or make things too vague.

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@Nightmare247 said:

@Hellbilly said:

Okay, there's still problems with that. Let's say you get matched to an SWF squad. Let's say there's one guy, Kingshitlord, who is obviously like the leader of the squad. What if every time you matched to this squad and no matter your best attempts you're ONLY able to get Kingshitlord every time? So therefore, Kingshitlord can make up some BS and cry to the devs to get you banned.

If the devs are going off of screen shots then the guy playing victim can construct a narrative based on 5-6 screen shots even if the matches are more than a week apart. Like say, you get matched to the guy twice then next week it was once then the week after it was three times.

Not to mention that Kingshitlord can tell his SWF buddies to report you as well.

You see how this can be abused?

No, because it is extremely rare to see the same players over and over and over again. Once or twice maybe, but you will probably see at least another group in between or after a back to back match. What you are failing to see is the history of the situation. 1-2 games is not going to ban you. Now if you are 10-15 games and the only person you kill is Kingshitlord then maybe you will have some issues.

The real issue is you are looking at a 1% chance of what you described happening. Again this is a repeatable behavior that is deemed as harassment. The times I do see players in the same lobby are when they are stream sniping a streamer. You should worry less about being banned from this report more about things that will actually matter like verbally harassing players to [BAD WORD] or Racial slurs because unfortunately, that is way more common.

1: I just told you that it is possible to get matched to the same people repeatedly. Especially if you get to the high ranks really quickly after a rank reset. It's very possible to get matched to someone or an SWF squad repeatedly in a short span of time.So it's not a "1% chance" like you claim.

2: how many matches does it take for a guy to cry harassment?

@Nightmare247 said:

@JackieEstacadoWhen said:

I don't know what rank your at but at ranks 3-1 it's not uncommon to see a short list of people repeatably throughout your sessions.

The devs have gotten a lot of flak for their unreliable report system in-game and taking out the other one months ago and the recent video's of tru3 getting streamsniped + sandbagged by trolls sparked intense conversation about it. In haste to quiet it down and take the heat off they rushed out a new report guideline but failed to address the gray areas and/or make things too vague.

So there are two issues you bring up:

1. Rank. Rank is bs in this game. It is so easy I could set my 4 year old nephew down and he could make rank 1 in a few hours/days without having really any skill.

The survivors and killer basically just need to breathe to rank up. It means absolutely nothing. Now, a short list is true at those ranks, but even with a short list there are still 10000 or so players who are probably playing at those ranks. It will take quite a bit for you to get enough games over a 20-30 game period for it to even be considered as a ban and we are also talking some really bad stuff before you would get banned. I think BHVR is intelligent enough to see that "Numbnutts69" reported along with 3 other players 22 times, but the killer has never had any other complaints that they just throw it out and ban the false reporters. I am almost 100% certain that I have a better chance at throwing a dart into the air, lie face down in the ground, and have the dart hit a predetermined freckle on my butt than someone has the chance at getting banned because 1 SWF team reported them multiple times.

2. Tru3, like him or not, is a public figure. He personally is a celebrity and will get targeted and sandbagged, because he is a public figure. Streamers like JenDenise, Morf, AngryPug, and Bahroo all have the same thing happen. It is part of the problem with streaming and there is no way to stop it, but you cannot take just one person's word for something no matter who they are.

So the argument boils down to history. History of the reporter, the history of the reported, and history of their interactions together. I am willing to bet that BHVR will inspect before making any decisions and if in doubt they won't do anything. They are probably looking for exact undisputable evidence that something happened, before banning people from playing their game.

So, you think it's very easy to get to rank 1 as Killer... I think that about say's it all right there. Since this guy seems to think that anyone could just jump into the game and without any practice get to rank 1. As Killer anyway.

@Nightmare247 I really think you should stop responding and trying to talk on behalf of the devs because it doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about.

I see an awful lot of fear mongering going on so lets state somethings that're being ignored in all this.

1. The devs aren't going to just hand out bans like candy voer this so everyone just chill.

2.The devs aren't going to simply take a few game sand say yeah this is ban worthy without having actual proof.

3. The devs have many tools at their disposal here including heat maps, those that record movements etc. Maps with top down play back so they can watch from above. Both 1st person and 3rd person views of the people in the match. They also have tons of other tool available to them.

So if you get a ban for this it's because you most definitely deserved it, if you don't get a ban then you're not deserving of one. As Wookie said once in regards to someone complaining that the Summoners Code was too vague. Just like some are doing here regarding the new code of conduct.

It basically boils down to** "DON'T BE A JERK"**

Ok bottom line they're not going to give out info so the system can be gamed, all the scenarios you came up with have already been prepped for. They've probably talked to Riot games about the exact same issues and how to handle it.

If you're not doing something wrong you won't get into trouble, I never once ever got a single warning or chat restriction in League. I trash talked the same as other people did but I never crossed the line into harassment. I might say that gank was close but my skills are better.

@WarthogFury said:
Wow. What a coincidence that your talking about this because yesterday I just had a salty survivor text me saying I tunnelled even though I fresh hooked everyone and they said they were going to get their friends to tunnel me ingame if they get me which I accused of targeting because it’s attempting to ruin my experience multiple times.

Did you report the one that threatened you even though they probably won't, they'll bully people that way till they get nailed. For me i just ignore them and laugh silently at them because false reports don't get you nailed.