Leatherface and the case for 120% movement speed

I'd say either 120% movement speed, or to remove the slowdown when charging Chainsaw Run.
Other than that, I agree with this post.

@yeet said:
removing the slow would be problematic as there would be nothing stopping him from just holding it and running up to survivors

That's quite true. The bigger issue is, how much he is slowed down in combination with the base speed for charging his chainsaw. He moves slower than a survivor while charging. So he has a quite limited time, when he can use it, in comparison with the Hillbilly, who only gets slowed down to survivor speed, allowing him to take his time to position himself while he charges.

@yeet said:

@Judgement said:
I'd say either 120% movement speed, or to remove the slowdown when charging Chainsaw Run.
Other than that, I agree with this post.

removing the slow would be problematic as there would be nothing stopping him from just holding it and running up to survivors

I would simply balance him moving at max speed whilst revving the saw like this then: After 10 seconds of him continuously revving the saw, if he hasn't let go to do the sprint, then he becomes fatigued ( slower ) for 2 seconds.

In regards to the post itself, I think it would be interesting to see that. There is the PTB, changes like these are what it is there for.

@yeet
I don't think any killer should have 120% base movement speed, your talking about a 5% increase in speed and you may not know how powerful that may be. Don't get me wrong Leatherface needs a buff but not in his movement speed. I'll suggest some options and hopefully you'll like one of them

1.) Decrease the time to charge his chainsaw to 100%. This would allow leatherface to not lose much distance between the survivor and himself when he decides to charge it.

2.) Reduce the speed penalty when he charges his chainsaw. Same reason as #1, he won't lose much distance between him and the survivor.

3.) Increase the time to charge his chainsaw to 100% but completely remove the speed penalty. This will allow his to pressure survivors to not get close to him and allow for mind games at pallet loops.

@M2Fream said:
Buffing base movement speed would be very punishing to survivors and would promote M1 chases. There must be a  better way to buff him that people havnt thought of yet.

I agree. And with the correct addons you can reach survivors easy with him, for example:

1. The Beast's Marks (rare chainsaw movement speed increase addon) or Knife Scratches (the uncommon one)

Combined with:

2. Carburetor Tuning Guide (rare chainsaw's charge time decrease addon) or Primer Bulb (the uncommon one)

3. All this addons works with tinkerer too.

In my opinion he needs a rework to the Chili add ons, which are very bad in comparison to the combinations i said above.

@White_Owl said:
Currently LF is awful in map presence and in chases unless he gets lucky and finds a survivor in the open, that is true, but saying he has no upside is plain wrong.
His greatest strenght is that he has the ability to snowball like crazy, the only one with a similar potential is a slugging Nurse. Slap on him Territorial Imperative and he becomes a death machine. At that point you don't need to care about chase lenghts and gens because survivors will just keep coming to you if you play your cards well. So in the end I think that LF is in a good spot and any buff done to him could make him borderline op. My only complaint about him is that compared to other killers he is very limited in his perk choices (Territorial and Agitation are a must, and BBQ helps a lot) and most of his addons seem lackluster.

BTW a plain speed increase is a terrible idea as a killer buff, because at that point the ability could be irrelevant and it would just become a "M1 to win" killer with no skill requirement at all.

His upside though is a really unfun way to play. With LF I want to chase a survivor like a maniac with the chainsaw and feel powerful doing so. The way he is played right now is, like you say, a VERY campy playstyle which no killer should rely on. I agree that his strength defencibly should stay but he vneeds MUCH more offensive capabilities. He is also one of the worst killers at dealing with pallet looping. And to finalize, in high rank most survivors will see that you are trying to basement them so if they are smart they just leave it alone and complete the gens.

@White_Owl said:

@IronWolf115 said:

@White_Owl said:
Currently LF is awful in map presence and in chases unless he gets lucky and finds a survivor in the open, that is true, but saying he has no upside is plain wrong.
His greatest strenght is that he has the ability to snowball like crazy, the only one with a similar potential is a slugging Nurse. Slap on him Territorial Imperative and he becomes a death machine. At that point you don't need to care about chase lenghts and gens because survivors will just keep coming to you if you play your cards well. So in the end I think that LF is in a good spot and any buff done to him could make him borderline op. My only complaint about him is that compared to other killers he is very limited in his perk choices (Territorial and Agitation are a must, and BBQ helps a lot) and most of his addons seem lackluster.

BTW a plain speed increase is a terrible idea as a killer buff, because at that point the ability could be irrelevant and it would just become a "M1 to win" killer with no skill requirement at all.

His upside though is a really unfun way to play. With LF I want to chase a survivor like a maniac with the chainsaw and feel powerful doing so. The way he is played right now is, like you say, a VERY campy playstyle which no killer should rely on. I agree that his strength defencibly should stay but he vneeds MUCH more offensive capabilities. He is also one of the worst killers at dealing with pallet looping. And to finalize, in high rank most survivors will see that you are trying to basement them so if they are smart they just leave it alone and complete the gens.

I found that he is actually better when you are not camping because then survivors will just gen rush like crazy, that's why I say Territorial and BBQ are required. If you go around patrolling gens and hitting people far enough for TI to activate, someone is almost guaranteed to go for the save at one point.

Personally I wouldn't be against a buff to his chainsaw to make it more useful in chases (like giving a clue when the charge is full so you don't risk loosing it if you let go a millisecond too early, and increasing his speed while revving the chainsaw) but I suspect he was created the way he is to make him feel different from the Hillbilly. Afterall, any buff to his chainsaw would probably make it more similar to the Hillbilly's.

Yeah those buffs are actually what a lot of people want along with his acceleration to be buffed so that I think is definitely is the way to go

Billy has a slowdown while charging his saw.

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