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Do you think Myers needs a buff, and if yes which one?
Hey guys and girls,
what do you think of a buff for our Mikey Boi?
I don't think he's a weak killer or that he needs a rework etc. I only noticed that he is a bit power crept by most of the newer killers and reworks. He can snowball quite well, but experienced Survivors will split up and deny your EWII as long as possible.
So these are my ideas:
Although quite similar, Ghost Face's stalking is so much better. GF can stalk through gaps in walls (like the shak) and he can just tiny little bits of Survivors, whereas the Shape can't. This alone makes it more difficult for Myers to stalk Survivors behind rubble (like on Autoheaven). Myers has also a really slow start. He moves only at 105%, gets no Bloodlust, has a baby lunge and (since the Undetectable Effect was applied to him) is detected by Premonition and Spine Chill. The only Buff he got was 0m TR in EWI, but at what cost. GF in comparison moves always at 115% (except crouching) and can stay undetected as long no one sees him.
I don't ask for a change of Myers' three phases since it is what he is, but maybe make it a bit easier to cross the map with buffing his MS to 110% in EWI (and give him normal lunge) but no Bloodlust. For Scratched Mirror let everything as it is, but give him the old detection immunity back (for the real Jumpscare Myers).
What do you think? Is Myers OK or do you think he needs some love?
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I would probably give him an increase to breaking pallets at EW3 and an Instant Break at Breakable walls too. This would make him a lot scarier when going against him. They should also take a look at his add ons as some seem like complete garbage.
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I think in ew3 he should move a little faster. Maybe 118
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Making it easier to get out of Tier 1 would be my main objective with any Myers buff, but I'm not sure what would be the best way to do that.
And while we're at it, remove the movement speed penalty from Vanity Mirror. I like to mess around with semi-stealth T2 Myers every once in a while and the fact that Vanity Mirror is so incredibly bad pisses me off. Even scratched mirror is better.
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I think EW2 needs more utility, so perhaps you could remove his Red Stain to make it somewhat unique and worth it compared to the other 2 stages. Since rn, it's EW1 or EW3 for a game plan, and you're forced in EW2 most the time so it could use more utility.
Aside from that, if that is too OP, his stalking should be 20% faster at base, and his stalking increase addons could use a nerf since they'd be godlike with that buff. Also, let him stalk through cracks lol. I was so excited when Myers got fixed, only to find out he's outdated and GF is a better option.
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That would be terrifying.
Yeah. Like a little Brutal Strength. And some add-ons are just meh (looking at you, jewelry and shard add-ons).
Oh yeah. Vanity Mirror is just underwhelming. You are 107% with 16m TR (without M&A and Dead Rabbit) and 16m Wall Hack... Of course it is better to move at 105% and be completely stealthy with double wall hack. I never really used Vanity Mirror.
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I like your ideas. That would make EWII really unique and the stalking easier.
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Yeah, my boi Myers deserves to be considered top tier again. He should be an S tier killer, but he's not. The potential is there though. Hopefully the devs update him and make him viable. Infinite stalking is another option... But Judiths Tombstone or Tombstone Piece would be OP if you find a dumb survivor who feeds you EW3.
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Ideally there should be no S-tier killers in the game because that implies they are OP and need to be nerfed.
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Eh? It depends on how you sort your ranking. I see A as average, A+ as above average but addon reliant, and S as above average and viable without perks or addons. S+ is OP in my opinion.
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I don't have the answers, but I actually think the change to ruin really hurt his early game more than most killers. Getting out of tier 1 can be a bear.
Probably a quick bandaid fix would be to make Michael a bit shorter and to quiet his breathing a bit. That would make his tier 1 a little more palatable. No real advantage to tier 1 when people can see him and hear him pretty easily.
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It wouldn't fit if he was shorter, also I never seem to notice his breathing myself tbh.
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At least not over the gens.
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Myers in the movies wasn't that tall. DBD Myers is built like Lebron but maybe even taller. Corn maps? People spot Myers a mile away. He doesn't need to be Freddy/Legion height, but dude isn't 6'10" either.
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Giving him very fast stalking during EW1 would be really nice buff/change, so that you aren't stuck as a slow slug while gens pop.
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I think the best way to buff him is to change how his stalking works..by that I mean, as he stalks a survivor they do as they do now and turn red..however..while not being stalked they start to gain more stalk resource, that way michael doesnt get exponentially weaker as he goes and doesnt have to pick targets based off stalk amount so much, then I'd make ew3 have faster breaking speeds..its his power state yet it's easily shut off by strong tiles
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As both a killer and survivor mainI would say.Make Myers a smidge slower so survivors can actually have a chance to Flee from his grasp.
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- He needs a total addon rework. Every addon should have effects for every tier of EvilWithin.
- More Evil, regenerating evil, better stalk rate. They did forgot to adjust his addons when they nerfed his evil-gains, especially the "needs more evil for x"-penalties.
- Multistalk, maybe with dimishing effect per survivor in vision.
- Collision while stalking. Its the survivors fault for maneuvering themselves between a wall and a hard sixpack.
If a killer isnt considered among the top 3, then buffs are always possible.
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All Michael needs is a shirtless cosmetic. Survivors would flock to him as they do when trying to boop Piggy's snoot.
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He needs to break pallets in one stomp while he's in T3.
He needs to break breakable walls by going through them in T3.
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This is one of best idea i saw, that would be great buff, while not too op or something that wouldn't change anything, again fantastic idea, u got my support.
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Remove evil within 1 and only add it as a add on to gain more bloodpoints. At the start of the game, you will probably get tier 2 when two or 3 gens are done. That’s what makes him stupidly weak because he is helpless in tier 1. That’s all really.
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He definitely needs a buff, as I feel he's outdated and outclassed by other killers ( cough Oni cough ). Removing his stalk limit could be a good start, he should be able to stalk survivors as much as he wants, just like Ghost Face.
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Yes. Pecs and abs
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He is a worse ghostface without the right build or add-ons. Without a tombstone there is no reason to use him for single targets over ghostface.
With normal EW3 add-ons he needs IF or he is still a worse ghostface (unless you are camping people to half with the remaining power).
But with IF or a tombstone he is way more powerful than ghostface once he tiers to 3. It's just a question of how many gens did it cost you to get there.
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Personally, I think Mikey is in a pretty good spot. If I had to make a wishlist though...
- Regenerating stalk would be nice. By this, I mean if you stalk a survivor early on to get out of EW1 you shouldnt have to worry about the survivor running dry later on. I can understand HAVING a limit so you can get unlimited EW3 off 1 afk survivor at the beginning or something... but it really blows when you cant hit EW3 at the end at all because the only survivors remaining are all stalked out.
- Mikey's stalkrate at a distance is minuscule. Why can't I have a normal stalkrate if I manage to get a nice LOS on someone from a distance. I'll spot a survivor out the window of a house on Haddonfield or something working on a gen across the street...and it takes like a solid minute of stalking to get out of EW1 if I dont move closer and make myself obvious.
- Multistalk would be nice... If I can get multiple survivors in my LOS while stalking without them splitting up... lemme benifit off that. As it stands the only benefit is that your less likely to drain a single survivor dry because the amount drained gets divided amongst them.
All this being said...this is only a wish list. I'm not asking for EVERYTHING, just saying it would be appreciated. I think everything listed here is fairly reasonable.
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I always felt like that comparison is kinda unfair really. If I'm trying to be sneaky while using them and doing things like blocking LOS with trees or something while approaching a gen...its really nice to have the naturally lower TR rather than having to wait for a cooldown to enter "stealth mode". Also the increased vault speed is nothing to scoff at. EW3 vault speed might be faster, but the increased speed EW2 brings is still really nice and helps land me ALOT of hits when I'm playing shack and such.
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Problem with If (which I use with M&A) is useless on big maps and/or if the Survivors decide to split up. Many times you cannot get to them before EWIII runs out.
Nah. Him having 3 tiers makes him unique. If you use PWYF to see what higher MS does in EWI, you'll notice it does a LOT without being too powerful. This is why I'm for higher MS in EWI.
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Ghostface is just so much better than myers . Myers is weak imo as he has the worst early game out of all the killers if I was to buff myers I would make it so he stalks faster by 20% or something like that when in tier 1 so it gives him the chance to get to a normal m1 killer quicker and not waste a lot of early game trying to stalk.
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I would make him 110% in tier 1. That way if it takes him a bit to get out of tier 1 it's not so detrimental.
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Yes he does, I love Halloween but Shape is an outdated and outclassed by a simular killer, Ghostface. One change I would make is to make stalking at all ranges the same speed.
Good Ghostface players will scout for survivors, stalk them to 99 (preferably at long range) and pop the instadown when they get close. You can't do this with Shape because long range stalking is so slow and time consuming.
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He needs back his immunity to detection perks.
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The only change I'd probably agree to is 15% faster pallet breaks in Tier 3. Survivors slam pallets against tier 3 Mikey all day so something to slightly counter that would be nice, because if a survivor has 2 or 3 pallets with a maze tile all chained together, they can run him for the entire duration of his T3. Stacking brutal strength with this would be pretty nice.
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He just needs his multi-stalk back and remove the stalk limit per survivor.
He should be able to capitalize on the weak link of the group and if the survivors are stacked.
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No he doesn't.
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Imagine this with Bamboozle and Brutal Strength OMG. O.O
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