A challenge to those who care to attempt to change the in game toxic actions
I’ve only been her for a little over a month and it seems like every day I see at least two rants about how this survivor / killer was toxic. While I understand the need to vent some frustration we also need to keep in mind that not every player of the game visits or even knows about the forums therefore they also don’t know that what they are doing is wrong. So what I am asking of you is instead of not saying anything to said player, take the time to send them a “polite” message explaining to them what they are doing and how it is affecting the other players and or the game. It really only takes a few minutes to do this and by being “polite” you just might be able to show an unknowing individual something that they had no idea was viewed as wrong or toxic. Will you get some nasty feedback….of course you will, but this is where WE need to do the right thing and not feed the fire. Just ignore those who wish to not be receptive to your “politeness” because they just want to be toxic no matter what you do or say. Will this completely fix the problem….of course not, but it can and will make a difference and it could spread just as easily as being toxic.
This suggestion does truly work for an example, I was playing survivor for my daily 300 xp bonus and I was facing a killer who appeared to be very new to the game. I was the first to be hooked and he just stood there and hit me continually while I was on the hook until another survivor caught his eye. I eventually was rescued from the hook only to get downed and put right back on the hook. He then did the same exact thing, but this time I just gave up and let the sacrifice happen. I was pretty fired up and really wanted to give this person a piece of my mind, but instead sent the killer a “polite” message explaining to him that hitting survivors that are on the hook is very frowned upon and that it does absolutely nothing for the game. I then proceeded to spectate the rest of the match and guess what happened…..yep the killer actually read the message and was no longer hitting the hooked survivors. All it took was me taking a little time out of my game play to send a “polite” message to someone who had no idea that they were doing something wrong.
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Here here!
Another gentleman player in the ranks. A guiding word can make a huge difference to the community as a whole!
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I've tried the polite message route. Even if you carefully word it someone can easily take it as "telling me how to play" and respond in kind. Telling someone "you could've gotten all of us if you didn't camp" has netted me multiple "#########" messages this week. I like to leave my PSN open and send GGs but sometimes it might be better to just say live and let live and move on.
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@BearTrapSnap said:
I've tried the polite message route. Even if you carefully word it someone can easily take it as "telling me how to play" and respond in kind.You are absolutely right, but by not taking the time/chance we will never get anything to change.
@BearTrapSnap said:
Telling someone "you could've gotten all of us if you didn't camp" has netted me multiple "[BAD WORD]" messages this week.
I'm truly not picking on you here, just using this sentence as an example. While the intention was good, in the above sentence, it can very easily be read by a frustrated player as you saying something negative. Maybe if you reworded it to say something like; "Hey man, I just want to let you know that you can get way more blood points by going after another/different survivor once you have someone hooked, and you will also see a much higher kill ratio in your games. Just remember to have fun and good luck!"
If after a message like that they are still being negative.....move on, you did your part.
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That's almost word for word what I wrote. I mentioned wording it carefully. GGs and congratulations all around.
You're not going to change anything, but it's still nice to be nice to nice people. Be excellent to each other.
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I've sent these players this message before and they just reply with stuff like "git gud" or "I don't care about your feelings".
Had game with a few friends against a LF yesterday, where my friend had a key and I had a map. I was ready to prestige my character so I didn't care about my map, we just wanted to try and escape through the hatch. The 1 random died eventually and we had 4 gens done. Problem was this LF brought Franklins and knocked the items out of our hands. I spent like a minute looking for my map, another minute to hide it somewhere safe (this was before we had the 4th gen), then we spent about 3 minutes so I could try and find the hatch with the map (I didn't) then spent another 3 minutes looking for the hatch. I finally found it (middle of the map of course) and he found me, so I get chased and hooked but the other 2 get out (I was dead anyway). I message the guy all I said was "GG you found me right when I found the hatch" and he's like "ZZZZZZ". So I say "if you don't want a boring game, don't use Franklin's because we spent like 5 minutes just messing with our items". I get he doesn't want us to escape through the hatch, and if he didn't have Franklin's I woulda got out with my friends probably, but it's like dude... you were bored because we had to stop what we were doing and find our stuff, then we played EXTRA immersed because we didn't want to lose it again. The game would have gone a LOT faster and I would have played a lot more ballsy out in the open if he didn't have that perk, because I wouldn't be playing to keep my item as hard. Then he calls ME toxic when I say GG and he sends salt.
Toxic people won't change.
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GG, then leave. That's my motto.
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@Gun_Doc
Nothing is toxic until you receive a message where the person is being rude other than that camping,body blocking, tea baggin, tunneling, killer nodding and etc should not be considered toxic. These are all considered strategies or taunts.
No matter if I win or lose I will send a gg every now and then.
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Don't most already-toxic players just read GG as Git Gud?0
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However the reality is people can play the game as they wish and you shouldn't be telling people how to play.
If they aren't violating the rules set out by the Devs then everything everyone does in the match is fair game.
One of the reasons people get salty in this game is not understanding this fact. There is no unwritten rules on how people should play this game. Some choose to play how they would like to be played against. However don't expect everyone to do so, and you shouldn't get salty because of it.
An example is the one you mention. Although the new player may have taken the suggestion, you should not have expected another player to tell you to f off and get lost.
Another example would be the 4% rule where some survivors think if they get off the hook they should be granted some kind of mercy. Then when they aren't granted that mercy they get all salty in end game chat.
Allot of the disconnecting in matches we see are simply this. People feeling you should be playing the game THEIR way otherwise you are toxic and a bad player. When simply that player just wants to survive, or kill you for BP. Or simply just wants to end your match for you. Not everyone is playing this game to make it rainbows and sunshine for you.
Each side plays the way they want and that should be accepted.
As long as the player didn't cheat and violate the rules of the match, then it is a GG, not another reason to tell them how they should play against you.
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@MisterCremaster said:
Don't most already-toxic players just read GG as Git Gud?GG is generally read as "good game". That's how it is pretty much in every game every where for a long time, don't know why it would be different here.
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Nothing is toxic until you receive a message where the person is being rude other than that camping,body blocking, tea baggin, tunneling, killer nodding and etc should not be considered toxic. These are all considered strategies or taunts.
I completely understand that all of the above are not toxic and I don't view them as such. I honestly just wanted to let the player know that hitting a survivor on a hook (over and over and over again) really isn't a good way to play. Just like you said above "Nothing is toxic until you receive a message where the person is being rude". If I didn't take the time to inform him of just that one action, how many rude messages do you think this guy would have gotten over time. I in now way was attempting to tell the person how he/she should play the game, just trying to help a fellow gamer from not being harassed by future players.
I guess I just care to much and try to help people by politely showing them a thing or to that could make them better and in hopes of them enjoying the game even more.
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Welp, if you T-bag me, you bet your donkey keester I’m gunna tunnel you to death.
Then send you a message saying,”And what did we learn today?”
Toxicity is fun to deal with when you know how to counter everything they do. Because you know it’s only a matter of time until you catch them.
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That was after the killer was camping both the hatch area and the shortest route to exit gate and abusing the Windstorm addon exploit to heck. NOED was active and I was on far side of map when he found me from gate, I managed to evade him then after a chase got out.
I get killers saying this or worse if you or someone gets outs about the same on average as I do survivors being salty in post game chat. I could post some really bad stuff if the mods allowed it to show just how bad both sides can be.
But that's what the report option is for and with the new system it'll be that much more effective. You can trash talk if it's done right like say if the killer camped you. You might say did you forget to bring a tent for your camp? I brought the Marshmallows and Chocolate, but you didn't bring the Graham Crackers.
You'll get a last almost all the time with stuff like that, and you can tell them you almost found their totem, or where was it/hatch at etc.
But adding salt from either side just leads to more salt in future matches.
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Or they'll just keep doing it and tell you to "GIT GUD GG EZ". So yeah, I think I'll stick to just saying nothing.
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Tbh post game I serch for English talkers and explain I utube my games and ask if they want to do some commentary end game made 3 new friends and it was hilarious 3 games we matched up 1 me killer and asking for end game talking 2 me killer were in party match and only realized it at the halfway mark (had salty survivor accuse me of gen camping when I patrolled last3 gens that was next to each other they came to my side and said it was nit camping since I regular ly checked and attacked anyone I saw also great for mind games when opposite sides no teaming and saying hello to them when you see or not see em or in my case being told there behind me when there not and last one recognized alt name and called them.out in a challenge to see who could win the match0
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I have a better idea.
Just say GG and leave
that's it
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@Gun_Doc said:
I’ve only been her for a little over a month and it seems like every day I see at least two rants about how this survivor / killer was toxic. While I understand the need to vent some frustration we also need to keep in mind that not every player of the game visits or even knows about the forums therefore they also don’t know that what they are doing is wrong. So what I am asking of you is instead of not saying anything to said player, take the time to send them a “polite” message explaining to them what they are doing and how it is affecting the other players and or the game. It really only takes a few minutes to do this and by being “polite” you just might be able to show an unknowing individual something that they had no idea was viewed as wrong or toxic. Will you get some nasty feedback….of course you will, but this is where WE need to do the right thing and not feed the fire. Just ignore those who wish to not be receptive to your “politeness” because they just want to be toxic no matter what you do or say. Will this completely fix the problem….of course not, but it can and will make a difference and it could spread just as easily as being toxic.This suggestion does truly work for an example, I was playing survivor for my daily 300 xp bonus and I was facing a killer who appeared to be very new to the game. I was the first to be hooked and he just stood there and hit me continually while I was on the hook until another survivor caught his eye. I eventually was rescued from the hook only to get downed and put right back on the hook. He then did the same exact thing, but this time I just gave up and let the sacrifice happen. I was pretty fired up and really wanted to give this person a piece of my mind, but instead sent the killer a “polite” message explaining to him that hitting survivors that are on the hook is very frowned upon and that it does absolutely nothing for the game. I then proceeded to spectate the rest of the match and guess what happened…..yep the killer actually read the message and was no longer hitting the hooked survivors. All it took was me taking a little time out of my game play to send a “polite” message to someone who had no idea that they were doing something wrong.
The problem is that at your rank this would work out fine. But when you get to lower ranks the "toxic" people just want to be dicks. Talking to them nicely/at all won't accomplish anything because they know what they are doing is toxic and are doing it on purpose (most of the time) Stuff like sandbagging you so the killer can hit you, facecamping, tbag spam, etc. These are all done purposely with the intention of trying to annoy someone. There really isn't anything anyone can do to stop "toxic" behavior. Toxicity is only amplified in post game chat as well. People get off on being as toxic as they can and will only laugh and any kind of gentleman's approach.
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It's easier to just move on and not be a ######### about videogames.
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Oh no, I totally understand and appreciate you for creating this post. It is the little that count later on, so yeah it is good thing that you are trying to inform players. I use to think camping and tunneling was cheating so I use to dc when I first started.Gun_Doc said:Nothing is toxic until you receive a message where the person is being rude other than that camping,body blocking, tea baggin, tunneling, killer nodding and etc should not be considered toxic. These are all considered strategies or taunts.
I completely understand that all of the above are not toxic and I don't view them as such. I honestly just wanted to let the player know that hitting a survivor on a hook (over and over and over again) really isn't a good way to play. Just like you said above "Nothing is toxic until you receive a message where the person is being rude". If I didn't take the time to inform him of just that one action, how many rude messages do you think this guy would have gotten over time. I in now way was attempting to tell the person how he/she should play the game, just trying to help a fellow gamer from not being harassed by future players.
I guess I just care to much and try to help people by politely showing them a thing or to that could make them better and in hopes of them enjoying the game even more.
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