Leatherface toxicity

IVE BEEN CALLED, lol

The fact that you can counter face-camping killers simply by doing gens doesn't make face-camping ok. The game becomes literally unplayable for the person on the hook. This has happened to me many times and each time I have encouraged my friends to just genrush and escape while I was on the hook, but that doesn't erase the fact that I'm just waiting for time to pass while I'm hanging there, being denied the chance to play during the entire match. This is scummy, much more than slugging or tunneling or any other strategy because here the person who got hooked can do pretty much nothing about it.

"That's just how the game is, if you don't like it play another game" according to this logic we shouldn't even be asking for buffs or nerfs then lmao. Dislike DS? Play another game. Dislike the gen speed? Play another game. You want killers to get buffed bc they're in a bad state right now (Clown, Leatherface)? Play another game. Lmao.

It's not about being hooked first oh my god. It's about being hooked and camped to the point that all you can do is just stay there looking at the killer's face until your timer runs out. How hard is that to understand? Now we can't complain about anything that you find ######### or unbalanced because it automatically means that we are "complaining about losing". Idgaf if I lose I just want to play the goddamn game.

Also, I repeat: if we go by your "that's just how the game is" logic, it means that we can't complain about anything nor ask for any changes at all.

And "your teammates played better" lol if you're the first to be chased and the killer just face-camps you afterwards it says nothing about your teammates playing better but whatever, you know what? I'm not even gonna bother anymore because you evidently don't understand anything I am saying.

For starters imo least Devs could do would be increasing values of BP loss for camping. And simply do it like it was suggested with some other methods already, if killer is within X meteres radius of hooked person and no other survivor is in it or so killer is actually losing legit amount of BPs per Y sec of camping from summarised BPs after match, and not like 100BPs(yea, I'm overexaggerating, I don't know the exact numbers but they're ridiculously low) in only one category. Maybe if camping guy finishes game with 0BPs he'll consider well, not doing it.

Of course there will be people who don't give a damn about BPs, but as I said, that's a start.

That wouldn't solve any issues and is purely spiteful.

BP loss won't deter people anyways sense they give up most sacrifice points to face camp(Remember 3 hooking survivors gives around 1/3 - 1/2 the total sacrifice BP).

Secondly survivors who swarm the hook will force the BP loss despite the killer doing nothing wrong(Even to the game's emblems if the killer is chasing survivors around the hook the camping penalty is more or less non existent).

Some of them actually think they can report you for facecamping. It's pretty funny actually, especially since I only did it because one of them was flagrantly disrespecting me but wasn't good enough to get away after. I can respect a teabagger that escapes, but if I get my hands on them they can expect to go on a hook and never come back off. Not like "oh I dropped a pallet and hit ctrl now I'm going to run" either, guy was rapidly squatting in place after three consecutive pallets. That's just a lack of respect right there. 😏

I mean, I'm mostly playing killers anyways so it's not really a bother to me. I have something around 200h or so at game so I'm not expert at either, it's just my thought.

Ok, BUT again, when it was all about slowing down hooking progress back then, which could impact gameplay actually by giving survivors real advantage during match by allowing 4th guy to do gens effortlessly, now at worst it would take BPs instead.

For example, I hooked guy, I see another somewhere far, I may head for him (which well, considering I'm not about to camp would do anyways, I mean looking for other survivors) expecting sooner or later some1 will try to rescue the hooked guy. If I see some1 attempting rescue, I head back to either hit the rescuer, or worst case be called tunneler for hitting rescued guy if saviour didn't have BT. WITHOUT BP PENALTY because other survivor was in "campable" radius, so the timer for BP penalty stopped. Same for being in chase, survivors aren't really gaining anything additional.

Also coming back to Bubba, is there really any reason for Insidious perk to be in-game? Are there any other uses apart from camping for that perk?

I still see no way of abusing it given solutions above. You're not losing BP as killer when other survivor is in campable area, nor when killer is in a chase, or simply looks at other survivor (they have mechanic based on such thing, I mean looking at Ghost face to reveal him, if it was done properly the other way).

But I think there is nothing else to add, so I guess we can agree at least on some way to lessen the pain of camped ones, be it additional BPs for "distracting" or something.

At this point I'm getting tired of repeating myself :p I wrote about possible counter to this, which would be simply looking at other survivor (in your examples, the teabagging one), even if he was standing way outside the radius, or looking in direction of that survivor, but to some range (sorta the way Spine chill works) in case survivors attempted to hide out of view behind obstacles or so.

Dunno really why you consider BP penalties spitefull either, facecamping Bubba will run out of add-ons eventually this way.

Still I think we have misunderstanding. We're not trying to punish something because I personally don't like it, but because facecamping literally prevents 1 guy from playing the game. And don't start with the PUBG bs, they're two different games, with completely different mechanics and playstyles. You may literally join next PUBG match in seconds, few minutes tops as soon as you die. In DBD you w8 bit longer than that for match.

So yea, main idea would be to at least give any slight chance to that facecamped guy to survive rather than play "watch beautiful scenery of basement with ya boi Bubba" till you die by giving some punishment so it's not worth doing. If not for the mentality of camped guys that attempt to at least struggle during that phase to buy other survivors some time you would probably see those camping Bubbas more often.

Again, I'm playing killers mostly, but imo it just ruins fun for that facecamped guy. Is it really better to win by facecamping than actually play the game?

When it comes to camping, I only do it if you think you're being cute/going out of your way to annoy me. But maybe if it's Bubba, they probably playin Basement Bubba so they vibin u3u And if I ever face camp you, hope I bring Marshmallows o3o

it would be a 4th gen and half of the 5th or 4.5 gens ideally(Not counting great skill check bonus progression or time taken to run between gens or the time to realize its a face camp)

So if the person who got camped looped for .5+ of a gen time(Not hard for anyone who isn't boosted in high greens/low purples or above) then all other survivors should theoretically complete all gens before he gets fully sacrificed.