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Am i too slow in chases? or Gens speed is a problem?

just had a killer game, in 3 minutes and 45s all the gens were done, i couldn't believe it, i rewatched the clip i saved too and i met the first survivor after 50s from the beginning of the match (the chase lasted for 50 more seconds), it was unbelieveable, after i hooked him 3 gens popped, i immediately chased another survivor and after i hooked the second one the other last 2 gens popped, (btw i'm a rank 4 killer, and i used PGTW,BBQ,Sloppy and discordance as Ghostface). i honestly don't think i was too slow in chases but if u have some tips for me i'll be glad to listen your opinion

i heard the Devs wanted to introduce a new game mechanic, similar to the EGC but that slow the beginning of the game, anyone can tell me some more information?

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  • metalklok
    metalklok Member Posts: 632

    the devs haven't said anything in detail about the new mechanic that slows down early game as of yet. It just happens sometimes survivors can finish gens like nothing. I made a post yesterday about a gen getting finished in the first 17 seconds of the game and there was tons of survivors saying that it was fair and nothing is wrong with it. But despite all that we just have to wait till the devs spill the beans on this new feature.

  • ad19970
    ad19970 Member Posts: 6,814

    Killer can be very punishing. If you don't get momentum fast enough and mess up a few times at the beginning of a match. then you might lose the match because of that. Killer in general can feel more stressful and punishing than survivors. However, once you get better and better at chases and applying good map pressure you'll get into these situations much less frequently.

    So it's not really that killers are underpowered, at least not the strong ones, but killer in general is simply more punishing. A new early game phase or at least some kind of changes to the early is something the devs have seemingly planned, though I hope they keep in mind that such a change will most likely make top tier killers way too overpowered.

  • Dead_by_Gadfly
    Dead_by_Gadfly Member Posts: 3,772

    Nope. Its all you. Nothing wrong with gen speeds. JuST PrEsSuRe ThE gEnS EZBEBEKILLER

  • Waldbeere
    Waldbeere Member Posts: 168

    Sometimes you face a very good SWF and that's hard. Sometimes the map counters your killer choice or the pallet spawn is insane. Sometimes it's hard to apply pressure with weaker killers. But I would say in most cases the player has to improve and learn when to abort a chase, how to do mind games, how to loop better.

    A gen takes 80s for 1 survivor, 47s for 2 survivors under normal conditions. You searched the survivors for 50s. This costs you 1 gen. You chased 1 survivor 50s. If they split there work perfectly 2 will repair 1 gen and 1 will repair solo the 3rd gen. After the 50s 1 + 1/2 gens are finished, in sum 2 + 1/2 gens.

    Everything calculated without prove theyself. This would make it much faster.

    I would say you should abort a long chase and be happy with some broken pallets. Injure more, because healing can cost time. Find survivors faster (Discordance, Whispers) or block a fast start (Corrupt Interventation).

    Fairly I must say there can be games that aren't winnable. Ignore this games and just start the next one ✌️.

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 18,062

    If you have a Clip, why not post it?

  • Johnny_XMan
    Johnny_XMan Member Posts: 6,434

    50 seconds to find your first survivor seems long to me.

    Usually I am able to spot someone like maybe 10-20 seconds in. I think that hurt you.

    Try bringing a perk like corrupt to give you an idea of their spawn location.

  • MadArtillery
    MadArtillery Member Posts: 826

    Sounds like a nightmare match. Always need more than a down out of a chase early on if you want to win. Trying to push survivors past gens through zoning and aggressively attacking any gen you hear repairs on during a chase is very important. The game definitely isn't balanced around just doing a chase for a down.

  • MrJack20252
    MrJack20252 Member Posts: 417

    i thought it could be against the rules (naming and shaming or something like that i don't know how to censor names) but if u want it i can post it, pls don't mind what me and my friends said in it


  • Todgeweiht
    Todgeweiht Member Posts: 3,666

    This is not naming and shaming, since you are not saying anything negative about them

    With that said, bro, isnt this a KYF? You are not playing seriously, even in the video it does not seem like you are taking the game seriously, what problem are you trying to expose?

  • LordRegal
    LordRegal Member Posts: 1,551

    Ok, I watched this and, while I will freely admit to being a terrible ghostface, a couple things I saw that stood out to me from a killer fundamental perspective:

    Most importantly: you were hyper respecting pallets. When given the choice to chase through a pallet or go around the wall the pallet was against, you chose the wall. This lengthened the loop for the survivor and extended your chases.

    Secondly: When you got your Pop, you should have abandoned the chase you were in to go stop the gen showing up on Discordance: you already were down three gens, allowing two people to work unhindered on a fourth was a major misplay, especially since you had time to get there and pop it.

    Thirdly: you weren't mindgaming at all, even with your power up. Mindgaming could trick the survivors into misplaying directly into your hands - chasing blindly after them gives them as much power as you can give them, especially when you're a stealth killer.

    Hopefully someone with more experience specifically on Ghostie can help with his stuff specifically, but as a general killer player, those are the main three things I noticed that were unhelpful to you in that game.

  • BigBrainMegMain
    BigBrainMegMain Member Posts: 3,826
    edited June 2020

    This isn't KYF since in KYF, all perks are Rank 3.

    He might just be on comms with friends and their doing their own thing.

    That being said, those gens speeds were just stupidly fast. What in the actual ######### was that.

  • MrJack20252
    MrJack20252 Member Posts: 417

    No, this is not a KYF, and i was trying to get some help trying to understand if i was too slow to chase survivors or the gens were popped too fast

  • Todgeweiht
    Todgeweiht Member Posts: 3,666

    I see, from what I see you made a ton of mistakes and spent way too much time on chases, when discordance popped up and you had PGTW active and still decided to chase that Jake, that was a massive, massive mistake, i'm not going to say the gens didnt pop fast, but it is not exactly a design flaw

  • DwightOP
    DwightOP Member Posts: 2,328

    50 seconds to even find the first survivor? As GF? You are doing something wrong. Take out sloppy for corrupt, that's going to help with your early game

  • NuclearBurrito
    NuclearBurrito Member Posts: 6,807

    100 seconds before your first down is far too much time, and looking at the specific chase that happened you could have easily shortened both the initial patrol time and the chase time.

    You could have easily gotten that down to 60 seconds, maybe even a little less, for your first down.

    The 2nd chase could also have been done better and as other methods better perk usage would have slowed them down by quite a bit.

    Now there is still the issue in that even with these optimizations you'd still be down like 2 gens by the time you got your 2nd down, which while a lot better than losing all 5 gens is still extremely fast. So there is still room for improvement in terms of game design that these early game fixes will hopefully help with.

    But getting 5 gens completed so fast was 100% preventable, at least a bit.

  • Ghostwithaface
    Ghostwithaface Member Posts: 594

    Well from watching the clip, it seems like you could use some help in looping. Which is where Scott guide on looping might be very useful.

    Which as others have said, avoiding the discordance warning, to chase after a single survivor while you still had pop active, might of not been the best idea.

    Which if gens are a issue for you. You can always give out fungoose build a try. Which should help slow the game down, just a little bit.

    That or if you like blood points. Another build that can work well on ghostface, is surge, pop, bbq, surveillance. Which will help you keep track of gens and slow them down.


    Which i am not sure how skillful you are at playing ghostface in general. Yet this guide might be helpful in general, to give you a better idea of how to play ghostface or to refresh you on some basic common tips and tricks, like 99% someone with your stalk and save them for later.


    Which for maps that have a killer shack. You can stalk survivors through a small hole in the shack. Which can be seen in this Otz video. Which he does around the 2 minute and 24 second mark. Which can be helpful, if a gen spawns in the killer shack.


  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 18,062

    Thank you for posting this Clip.

    As others already have stated, this is not Naming&Shaming. Naming&Shaming would be if you, for example, use the name of a player who did something bad to you ingame and post it on the Forums. Those Survivors where only playing the game without being a dick or anything, so completely fine to just post the Clip so that others can see what happened.

    And as others already pointed out, you take quite long in Chases. Someone already linked a video from ScottJund, you can watch this to see how you run Tiles as Killer.

    Also, you completely ignored Discordance - why are you running this Perk then? It gives you information where two Survivors are, yet you did not take any advantage of it. You already injured Jake, it would have been fine to abandon the Chase and go for the two Guys on that Gen. Jake is injured against a Stealth Killer with Sloppy Butcher. He most likely wants to heal, meaning he is not on a Gen (aka Map Pressure for you) OR if he does not want to heal, he is an easier target and since you are playing a Stealth Killer, you might have gotten a Down later. Using PGTW on that one Gen could have bought you some time and maybe even better Map Pressure if you would have gotten a Down out of one of the two Survivors you chased away.

    What Rank are you at btw and what Rank where the Survivors?

  • LetsPlayTogether
    LetsPlayTogether Member Posts: 2,117

    If you need 100 seconds to down your first survivor and 3 gens popped thats not something to worry about (despite being far away from being optimal), if you didnt got a chance to disturb any survivor on a gen during your chase. nothing to worry about at first, but if you dont get proper snowballing after your first hook before the last two gens pop you did pretty bad after your fist hook.