DEVS DECIDE! CAGE = HOOK OR NOT!?!
I think the most discussions about the new chapter are the cages and the inconsistent rating by using them.
The devs told us that the cages don’t activate hook-/unhookperks like bbq, ds, kindred and so on but on the other side for the killer a cage counts as 1 hook without any bbq-stack, pop & co but he can mori a survivor for example or next time the survivor is on second hookstage. Survivor earn much less bloodpoints for „uncaging“, no stugglepoints, can’t take hits (wglf), flashlightsaves or sabo hooks... on top all the useless perks if the killer use his cages.
THE DEVS MUST DECIDE WHAT CAGES ARE NOW!?!
Make them = hooks, so all perks activated and you earn the same bloodpoints like for unhooking
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give cages a own meaning, for example they are only a way for PH to detain a survivor so the survivor can’t go for gens or something else maybe for 45 seconds. That’s not a hook but gives extra bp and the killer can go fast for the next target or use it near the exit or to avoid ds, unbreakable, pallet- or flashlightsaves...
Anyway, this contradictory handling is not satisfactory! Please decide.
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OR give survivors Just as many points for unhooking and make moris not work with cages ( or change the wording of the offerings)
EZ fix
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Just make cages not count. I dont see why they say its not a hook then the one offering that takes a hook completly ignores it.
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Cages are a different way to progress the sacrifice, but they're not hooks. It's like Shock Therapy and Static Blast. Both increase madness, but you don't expect a range add-on for Shock Therapy to work with Static Blast.
The mori thing is indeed an issue, but there's already a much larger thread on the subject.
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Doesnt change the fact moris require the survivor to be hooked just like perks. Wheres my bbq stack devour hope or ds? They require hooks as well.
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Or give survivors the ability to nullify this ability. Like, PH can only do it if the survivor has a status effect he could have avoided or something. Hey wait a minute...
To me, it seems the devs have decided. Perk =/= offering.
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Yes, which is why I said the mori thing is an issue. Here's the thread I mentioned: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/162297/mori-should-not-work-with-cages#latest
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Cage with an hook.
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It‘s not only the offering, it’s the whole thing.
If cage = hook they have to activate perks, count as „hooked“ and so on
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Cages only stop Hook related perks not offerings best thing is to correct the description of mori to mention it applies to cages aswell
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They mentioned hook perks..not moris..so..idk what to tell ya
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Think of hook status as 'sacrifice status' instead.
I like that there are new mechanics here that are really upsetting the meta. Breaking all of the gameplay around hooks and forcing new play patterns is a good thing. I hope there are more, similar changes to the game forthcoming that force everyone to play differently.
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The mori synergy really doesn't have anything to do with addon vs offering. This is all about how mori is coded. It doesn't actually have a hook counter. It works off of sacrifice progression.
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I‘m not talking only about moris.
The devs told us that cages not hooks, so why a cage is = a hookstage?
I think cages are the same like hooks and have to activate all game mechanics like hookstages, same bloodpoints for rescue, hookperks (killer & survivor side), moris
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they need a own function, which the devs have to implement...
BUT DON‘T MIX THEM!
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I feel like you should get the Bbq and Wglf stacks. Maybe not the aura reading from Bbq though.
Also does anybody know if saving from cages counts towards your Benevolent emblem?
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Saving from hook you earn 1000bp + 500bp for save rescue. Both for the altruistic category.
Rescue from cage only 500bp for the boldness category.
Please don’t start to make a difference in the perks for cages and hooks. They should simply have the same function.
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With that logic, if the cages are seperate way to sacriface survivors than why it affects the hook sacriface progress?
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They're not a separate way to sacrifice survivors, they're a different way to progress the sacrifice itself, which is now independent of hooks.
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You should get BBQ and WGLF stacks, but everything else, no.
Part of what makes Pyramidhead unique is that he can counter perks like DS and apply immediate map pressure, but some of the meta perks that won't work due to it is a fair tradeoff of it. I know you can still get WGLF stacks from protection hits, but BBQ is completely pointless.
I think that only BP gaining perks that apply to hooks should be viable, but everything else, possibly not. Some perks are just useless against specific killers and you can't do much about it (self healing perks against plague, etc). As a Pyramidhead using Pop as well, it encourages me to hook more survivors and to strategically decide if I should apply map pressure or direct generator pressure.
TLDR: BP perks should not be affected by cages but everything else should.
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Well okay, but why you can mori survivors after sending them to the cages if the description says that you can only kill them after they have been hooked? 🤔
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Mori shouldn't work with cages. I mean, he has a built in mori already so he really doesnt need it.
Keeping everything else seperate is fine. It makes him the most unique killer in the game.
Also, he is going to hook people. Not everyone gets sent to cages. Perks are less powerful against/for him but not completely useless.
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Because it's a bug and I even reported it as such: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/162450/the-executioner-can-use-the-memento-mori-offering-on-survivors-who-have-been-caged-but-not-hooked#latest
The bug is either in the text or the programmed condition. Regardless, it's a bug.
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It doesn’t makes sense that some perks like bbq or wglf should count, but other perks not.
And btw, it’s no problem to run bbq on PH, just hook at first, than tunnel and send to the cage... ez
Bbq is only a easy benefit perk: bp + aura just for a hook. Wglf have downsides: take a hit -> you are injured or try a save unhook against a camping or tunneling killer, so you need bt too...
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The mechanic of the cages is just to inconsistent! In all the discussions about that the people start with cherry-picking:
- bbq & wglf stacks: YES
- mori: Killer say YES, survivor NO
- bt, ds, kindred, we will make it... NO
- count as hookstage: YES
- same bp like for unhooking: NO
That‘s just crazy and it’s not the solution to change the description of a mori or something like that. Cages are just not thought out and needs a rework!
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with PH and Bbq&C i hook first and if need be cage.
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Moris works with cages because its still a hook STATE.
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