No borrowed time from cage rescue

I said the same at first, but there are times when the cage isn't too far. Like if they go down in the center of the map, the cage might only be 35 or 40 meters away.

Not to mention it dosen't work with Kindred which make PH even more a nightmare in solo queue besides all the average farming and casual sandbag or death on first "hook". Since you can't even get out once because you can't use deliverance.

They need to weaken his camping potential; right now he's a bit like Bubba, in that his cages and trails work really well if you camp but often does nothing or harms you otherwise. But hook perks not working needs to stay, that's his whole gimmick. If anything, he needs an overall buff. I'd say make him unable to see the cage aura until the unhook happens and he gets a loud noise notification, but make the cage spawn as far as possible from all players so insta saves don't happen.

You're probably right, but he's one in twenty Killers and fairly new. I doubt people are going to change their loadout of DS and BT unless he becomes oppressive (like when people ran Iron Will all the time against Spirit pre-addon nerfs). He's popular now cause he just got released, but when people get used to his playstyle they won't necessarily take off their crutch 2nd chance perks if he doesn't shoot to the top of the meta killers.

Killer mains are just as toxic. The whole dbd community is rather toxic. I play both sides and get hate mail no matter which role I play.

Each side complains and says the game is biased towards the other. It's so childish at times. Idk why people can't just play the game without getting so serious about it and without complaining that the devs are favoring one side over the other.

Both sides get nerfs and buffs. Both sides are constantly being adjusted.

You waste time doing everything in the game, including gens and bones. Why complain now that's not in your favor?

Don't get tormented. GGEZ

Y'all realized that when Pyramid head cages someone it appears literally in the contrary side of the map? Just have to be there before the survivor is caged and everything is fine.

That's a good and important point to note.

True but the difference is if The Killer happens to be The Executioner, he can specifically avoid using Perks based on hooking people. So there is no wasted perks in that case. Not so for Survivors who often must equip hook based perks in order to have a chance. I know people here like to act surprised but the reality (at least on PS4) is that DS and BT are prerequisites. Even Unbreakable and Soul Guard are unfortunately very useful!

Imagine if killer perks work with the cage lol BBQ reveals auras of survivors 40m away from the hook, not the killer. So he’d cage somebody and see where all the survivors are around him as the cage/hook is far away from him.

Crouch over torment

Adrenaline should definitely proc when rescued from a cage.

Currently it procs from stuff like being dropped by the killer while he's carrying you, (Either a manual drop or a break-free caused by wiggling/flashlights/stuns) being rescued from a hook, etc. and the description explicitly says "Adrenaline is on hold if you are disabled when it triggers and will activate upon being freed."

I know cages are not hooks but Adrenaline doesn't mention hooks, it simply mentions if you are "Disabled" which includes being on a hook and being carried by the killer. I argue being in a cage should fall under that same category.

Due to the nebulous nature of what "camping" even means, along with the numerous instances where it's 100% the best tactical decision, I don't think anything should be changed. Also, it's not that rushing gens is the only thing you can do, it's just the best thing you can do, the same way the best thing you can do when rescuing someone against the Hag is to crouch-walk to the hook and the best thing you can do when facing the Shape is to break LoS so he can't stalk you. The killer does something, you try to counter it. That's the game.

As I mentioned before, when you play survivor, you choose to be the victim. Killers have fewer restrictions by design. They're the 1 in the 4v1, so they're supposed to be the active role whereas survivors are the reactive role.

You had an opportunity and you screwed up. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the way of it.

You had the opportunity to play. The killer has that choice by design. It's an asymmetrical game and you're playing the numbers role, that's how it works.

See above.

You always had the ability. However, the killer got you before you could succeed at it. I've had trials when I've been camped to death and still pipped because I avoided being hooked right away.

You didn't get on the hook by yourself. The killer showed skill by finding you and winning the chase. It absolutely cannot be done by any killer at any rank. A noob killer will never be able to catch an experienced survivor, so the experienced survivor will never be camped or tunneled.

I've faced Pyramid Head a few times now and became inflicted by Torment. Do you know what I did when that happened? I took him to one side of the map - the side I knew had nobody around - and waited for him to put me in a cage after downing me. Now, much to my surprise, he never actually put me in a cage, but if he had, he would've put me right next to the other survivors and I would've been uncaged and healed before he got there.

And no, it wasn't thanks to SWF that I knew that side of the map was empty, it was because of Aftercare. I had unhooked and/or healed every other survivor, so I knew where they were. I made sure to go down on the side of the map that would've benefited me the most if he tried to put me in a cage. He either realized this and countered by hooking me or was saving that Torment for the mini-Mori, but regardless, I made it difficult for him to down me again if he were to put me in a cage.

You need to think ahead beyond where the next pallet, window, or loop is. Think about where you will be going down - because you will be going down, eventually - and make it the best possible location for you.