Devs losing touch with community

Already did it, survivors abused it with 2 ppl just outside killers range so the killer would hook someone. See two people. If he chased one the hooked.person got freed, if he didnt the hooked person would take forever to die.

Survivors encouraged the tunneling and camping meta and dont wanna deal with the consequences of it.

Honestly I already found away they can fix it add a new mode that's what they need add a mode called like 3 death game mode the killer can mori 3 times in the game after first down you die you wait 1 min and respawn till all 3 lives are gone from the survivor no bleed out time either so he cant camp while downed boom problem solved benefits killer by always having a mori faster then being hooked and help ls survivors from being camped problem solved but the dev's dont know what a new game mode is so idk what tf they are doing.

Remove the effect if the killers in a chase? That way if survivors are wasting time around the hook trying to pull killer away only 1 is probably doing gens

This is exactly what I do and more survivors should do the same. If the killer is face camping just rush all the gens and escape.

I guess I didnt try to act like I know everything either way I think it would be good solving it or not I just want a new game mode I cant play the game anymore it's the same ######### every game get old real fast especially if you have better games to play

"take hostage

1. To hold someone captive and threaten violence to them in order to prevent another party (e.g. the police) from using force or in order to create leverage so that another party will agree to meet some demand.

2. To assume constraining, limiting control over something in order create leverage to achieve something."

This is litterally the very first thing that pops up when you search the term "take hostage" and it fits perfectly to the situation

You can safe unhook on that situation, it's just harder to pull off because it depends on how the killer reacts to the attempt, the basics of it is you need 2 people for the save, 1 to get the killer's attention and the other to unhook, the aproach depends on how the killer reacts to the survivor that would take the risk of distracting him, if the killer is smart about it, it would require more risk, but if the killer is more aggresive on trying to keep others away then all it takes is someone to make him swing at them so the other gets the chance

When it comes to borrowed time (which is a really good perk in this situation) it doesn't matter who the killer is, it just takes a little bit of finnesse to use it against those that can nullify it, for exaple the wraith and other stealth killers, you have to bait them into exiting their respective ability or in the case of ghost face you just need anyone to take him out of his shroud

It's not about the survivors always being sucsessful in this situation it's about making the killer choose between risking the chance at killing the others just to kill 1 or hunt the others, risking the kill he could have.

Also even though it is mostly the survivor's fault he was hooked, it isn't his fault to die if he was camped, the survivor doesnt get to decide if he isn't rescued that is mostly in the hands of the killer in this situation since he would be the one stopping the others from saving him

you can't just pick and choose what makes your point best, you have to look at all scenarios. but, for the sake of explaining why you're wrong about it not being a good idea, let's discuss both and a third one as well.

To start, No survivors (actual camping)

in this scenario it works fine, nobody is nearby so it's not possible to be abused. but, once someone approaches or if it's scenario 2, then we have an issue.

Scenario 2: survivors are (supposedly) nearby

now I say supposedly as sometimes your BBQ doesn't show all available auras, which means either someone has an aura disrupting perk, they found a locker, or they are near the hook, so staying to check for others is justifiable in that situation, but still costs time.

anyway, if the killer finds someone and they get into a chase, it is in the survivors favor to stay near the hook, as this will give the others more time to get to them and unhook, so the major exploit has been found. on top of that, even leaving the area puts him near the hook for a couple seconds, which wastes a bit of time in a game where every second is important. not an exploit but a problem nonetheless. now then, we've seen the exploit, but it's time for another glaring flaw.

Scenario 3: the 3-gen

this scenario imagines the killer having hooked a survivor near the finale 3 gens because the survivors three genned themselves.

Hooking a survivor near a three gen is the best thing you could do in the scenario. it allows you to quickly attack unhookers while defending gens, and leaves you with no real reason to leave the area. of course, staying near the area and defending the gens means being near the hooked survivor. this would mean the killer gets punished for doing his job effectively, and helps the survivors because they messed up and three genned themselves.

in conclusion, the idea is good on paper, but in practice it's exploitable and flawed in ways that punishes the killer for doing their job.

Killers are faster than survivors for a reason, and if they aren't then they have the means to stop them, I mean no survivor can just run in circles around the hook and not be downed, also it doesn't make the one that is on hook invincible because it's not stopping the progression its just adding more time to the progress which wouldn't be much either way, it takes about a minute and a half (if i'm not mistaken for the hook to progress completely through all phases so adding 90% would just add about a minute more, and that is if the killer stays within the radious of the hook there would still be a lot of ways around it though, like watching it from further away or patrolling around it or checking on it every once in a while

I always see the 'just do the gens' argument. Since when were survivors able to do all the generators in the time that one person dies on first hook? Maybe with two-three gens left, but no one takes into account having to actually locate/get to the gens first and the time that takes. You wouldn't believe the amount of killers that act like having 3 gens left is the end of the game.

Odds are if they don't get saved they'll struggle for that 4% just to get redowned off the hook, ultimately giving them more points because they want to play too, not play lobby simulator for thirty minutes just to sit on a hook for two, which only decreases the amount of time the other survivors have to do the gens.

9/10 Games where the killer face camps a person on their first hook to death they still get 2-3 kills (even when the victim is left to die because it's not like they're on the hook for 6-10m) and somehow 18-20k+BP while the survivors get nothing for healing, altruism or chase resulting in 10kBP at best and less because there's no interaction.

Point is they'll always camp for their own reasons, but especially so if they're getting rewarded about the same as if they had not face camped someone. Less effort, about the same outcome or better if people are stupidly altruistic. Bottom line is no one is saying you can't play that way, but just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

It's still a ######### outcome but I feel as though people may be a little less worried about this scenario if finding a match didn't take so long.

Devs have been fixing infinite loops and the truth is that loops are still not perfect because of the sudden boosts in speed killers get when chasing survivors for extended times, and those two things are being acomplished because killers have been voicing their problems in the game so saying a survivor cant do the same is just selfish and biased

First of all I'm not a kid, but then again you wouldn't believe me anyway so why bother with someone that starts off a comeback with a comment like that

Second of all taking hostage isn't a maleable term there are two cases in dbd where the term fits camping and slugging the second to last survivor just so the killer can get an unchallenged 4k, which is taking the game hostage which is also punishable because in both cases you are depriving the survivors of any chance. I can simpathize with camping, tunneling and slugging on very specific circumstances but the reality of the situation is that in most cases the killer just uses those tactics to get easy kills, which again I can simpathize with on very specific circumstances, like camping/slugging a survivor if you haven't killed anyone and the gates were powered. I'm not against any of those tactics I'm against people abusing those tactics just to get easy kills

There is nothing wrong with them giving you a tip on how to deal with a situation, especially when most times there is some way around it. And this doeant make them out of touch with their comunity if anything they would be more because of it because they know about the situation and are trying to help you through it also the term facecamping is another factor that solidifies this, since that is a term that the comunity invented

But the mechanic can be improved to prevent that, let's say the penalty stops whenever the killer enters a chase or another survivor is also in the hook proximity

first, no one is gonna know if the killer is camping or not. If survivors see the hooked one doesn't get saved, they will go try to save, and that's time wasted running towards the hook. Since no one knows if it's a camper or not, all 3 survivors WILL go check on the hook. By the time they realize it's a camper, its already too much time wasted. Camper usually gets rewarded for 2k-4k cuz survivors don't have enough info to know if its a camper. You don't get the full 2 min for all 3 survivors on gens, cuz there's walking time, finding gens time, checking on the hook time, realizing camper time. The camper is guaranteed with 2k unless it's a sweaty swf, and sadly those are unicorns, you are lucky if you can find one of those match in 100. And if there's still 2 gens left and only 2 survivors alive, they have no chance escaping, period. Results in 4k for camper, ultimate reward for no brain play.

Also for the fix he suggested, it can be simply improved upon. Think about how to prevent abuse instead of instantly shutting down a valid solution. The hook penalty can simply pause whenever the killer enters a chase or when another survivor is in the proximity of the hook. There, fixed, no abuse, but penalize camping at the same time.

And how that would prevent abusing that, and have the hooked still unfunny time and penelty when somebody deicide to crouch near him to prevent the slowing of the timer? Or we should add another factor that if a survivor is near a hooked one too much time he got kicked in the ass by police or something? When this will stops?

Devs said that is a valid tactic, and go do gens to counter it. Accept it, or play something else - seriously...

there's simply not enough time for one hook to repair everything by the time all 3 survivors checked and realized it's a camper. If a survivor realizes camping, they should just go do gens instead of crouching around the hook, and the penalty should give them enough time to repair and escape. As it's right now, the camper is guaranteed of 2k, and 4k most of the time cuz survivors don't have enough info to know it's a camper and need to gen rush. And, it's doesn't stop there, if you think there's flaws in the mechanic, why don't you come up with ideas to fix the flaws instead of bashing on it and willing for the problem to stay?

We need more game modes. That's the only way to fix this. Imagine the possibilities! There could be a game mode with no hooks. There could be a game mode for rank 1 players only. There could be a game mode that prevents face camping. The possibilities are endless, and it would freshen up the game!

Killers can't insta down? Let's see.

Billy. Leatherface. Ghostface. Huntress if she's good with hatchets or has iri heads. Clown with pinky finger. etc.

Y'all grossly underestimate how quickly you can go down no matter how skilled you are.

I'm not asking for survivors to be more powerful than the killer. Nobody in their right mind is. Don't think it's unreasonable to be asking that people be reasonable and not face camp someone to death on their first hook with no gens done shortly into the match. Can't believe that's too much to ask. 🤷‍♀️

I spawned once and got exposed by a Ghostface literally two seconds after taking my first step. This isn't a common occurrence, but I was flabbergasted. He must have spawned looking directly at me before I could even look around. He had exposed me and was close enough to get a hit not even 10 seconds into the match starting. Not only did I spawn within view of him, I spawned in a dead zone on the map. He then proceeds to face camp me in the basement to death. I waited an hour to get into that match. Fun and balanced, right? But nah, let's keep defending this behavior. 🙄

i complete agree with you I'm just sad that not a lot of people see the problem with this and just shrug it off. i ever wrote my own opinion and thought of how to count this, but people just said to do gen and let them die which is a pathetic and selfish response.

This IS pretty stupid. There might be a problem with your game, guys, if you are issuing a collective shrug at the idea that it's fine and even desirable for everyone to play around one person getting their game experience completely trampled on. And it's for no other reason than that the killer thinks it's funny, and decides it's OK to do it even though it flies in the face of the intended game flow and reward structure.

Your game might have a problem here, Behaviour. I know it's competitive and adversarial, and that's cool, but we also all know this strays really far from how a match is supposed to play out. You're legitimizing it instead of addressing it, which seems to me that it means you're either out of ideas, or you just don't care. Neither of these endpoints is acceptable.

Kindred takes care of the "checking" problem.

I've been camped more than enough to know that only doesn't work if survivors try to unhook. I was once camped in a basement by an Insidious Bubba while using Kindred. Everyone saw him there, so they rushed gens. I hadn't reached halfway on the sacrifice progress by the time there were only 2 gens left. You know what happened then? They completely dropped the ball and two of them stopped working on generators just to come and "rescue" me. The killer ended up with a 3k.

Survivors are primarily responsible for camping being as big of an issue as it is. If they stopped rewarding it, it would stop being a problem. However, despite them having created the problem and having the key to solve it, they want the devs to punish the killer for playing in a way that they (survivors) make worthwhile.

If you think my scenario is unreasonable despite all those coordination perks, then point out the ways in which it's unrealistic. Make a more realistic scenario, still taking into account all the facts (survivors spawn directly next to generators) and the premise (that survivors are using all those coordination perks and the killer camps every survivor to death).