Devs losing touch with community

Survivors are primarily responsible for camping being as big of an issue as it is. If they stopped rewarding it, it would stop being a problem

talking more doesn't make sense

The killer isn’t entitled to kills either?

I like some "trusteds" here. idk why they have this status but.

Yea just do gens. it's fun being facecamped without having any chance to escape. It's even more fun if you kobe!

right into in the mkori because a single offering can skip 2 chases.

But that's how some Trusteds or Mods answer here. Instead of being "Yea you're right, this isn't fun at all. It's a boring gameplay and sth should get changed to make it more fair and a good experience" No they're acting like "It is what it is, just do this boring senseless thing and accept it"

Like. We are still playing a video game right? That's not the real world right? We're still playing games to have fun and a good experience right?

Yea it's my fault to say that something seems not okay and not fun and good at all and that I want to change it to improve the quality of the game, I am sorry.

The devs have a point though. I agree that they are losing touch with the community, but the example you gave is weak sauce.

If the killer is camping then do gens and force his hands. Nothing else you can do. If you start punishing killers for camping you'll make it too easy too abuse as survivor. If they just keep rushing hook and making the killer stay near, the killer is being punished for the survivors playing bad. That's not fair. It's like spawn camping in FPS games, the devs can only do so much about it because it's not against the rules, but you can't punish people for it because sometimes you have too spawn camp.

A better example would be the constant sound bugs that the devs never fix, they just keep bandaid fixing and hope it works for another patch. Or how ridiculously fast gen speeds are going and still no change is in sight.

As someone who plays both survivor and killer, i know the strategies for both, inside and out, and yet I still die as a survivor. I also consistently escape, and as a killer I regularly get all four kills, miss one or two, and sometimes even lose all four. A big part of the problem is people who only play one side. Those who play survivor exclusively cry that everything is weighted in the killers favor, while killers complain it's weighted in the survivors favor. But it's not. Both sides are fairly balanced (there are some exceptions to this), and honestly the only killers I see camping (and this includes the sneaky/ranged killers mentioned) are people who have either never played the game before or have never played that killer before and aren't very confident with them. That being said, camping has been a legitimate strategy from day one. It's all a matter of skill. I have had many times where a killer camped and i still managed to get the rescue. I've also been successfully rescued while being camped. The fact of the matter is, nobody is ever gonna be fully satisfied with the game, and the devs are doing their best. And before people go talking about pyramid head and his cages, he just came out two damn days ago. There's stuff that's going to change about him in time, but he can't be expected to be perfect immediately after release

Personally, i feel like he really balances out the higher rank aspect. I'm pretty new to the game and very quickly becoming a pyramid head main simply because I keep getting thrown into matches against red rank 1s. He's definitely given me more confidence with the game because I'm no longer getting infinite looped, and his ranged attack is predictable enough that it can still be dodged simply by moving to either side. And his cages appear on the exact opposite side of the map as the killer, someone could easily run over and grab them before the killer even has a chance to get over there. I know because this happens all the time to me. I get a cage and 3 seconds later they're out.

What if the progression resumes normal speed once a survivor enters the hook proximity while the killer is also in the hook proximity?

Was this also tried?

i still dont understand how the main issue flys over everyones head everytime this comes up. who cares about the 4v1 macro aspect... its UNFUN AND UNFAIR for the person ON THE HOOK. there is little to no counterplay on your own that you can do vs face camping

The counterplay is using pallets, vaults, speed perks, every other perk in the game, stealth, blood scratch management, flashlights, bodyblocking, and actual skill to win the game instead of crying about it after you get caught. Honestly, get good. I mean that sincerely. There's no reason you should be able to fight the killer while on the hook. It's a justified position to be in if you can't make use of the enormous amount of assets already available to you.

kid i have almost 4k hours in survivor alone and what youre stating absolutely means nothing. everyone goes down at some point to anything at a given time or circumstance. no ones perfect, that doesnt excuse lame and lazy game design for a single person and your bias is hilarious

I have 500 hours and I routinely bully killers ranked much better than me using only sprint burst and mediocre knowledge of the maps and without a SWF. All I do is exploit these zones, which due to breakable walls, are finally fixed. It was lazy design back when the maps were static and killers could get ruthlessly bullied at their own shacks on every level.

"everyone goes down at some point"

Obviously. Or no one would bother playing killer.

"kid"

I'm a 28 year old Navy vet. Not sure what image you were picturing.

Let's think this through: You have 4,000hours on only survivor. I have just over 500 altogether, mostly playing killer. Probably only 200 as survivor. This means you have spent twenty times the amount of time as I have playing survivor. For every one hour of experience I have, you have twenty. You're having issues juking killers around killer's shacks, and I'm ruthlessly bullying them using one simple perk. Again: Get good.

It's amusing when I get salt mail from survivors when I security guard a survivor that took me 5 minutes to catch because he was juking around like Torvill and Dean. Why the heck would I walk off and let him juke me for 5 minutes more? I'm a killer not an entertainer 😅

But see that' where I was trying to get, you said it yourself the survivors can't force the killer to play a certain way, yet that's the excuse that most of the sweaty campers use "the survivors forced me to camp when they got close to the hook to try and rescue" or "the survivors forced me to camp when they genrushed me for 3 gens" neither are true because they chose to camp because they wanted an easy kill (which I can only condone myself only when the gates are powered and you have no kills) and what bothers me is when they act like they didn't have a choice and when others defend them even though they did have a choice just like they can decide not to tunnel or slug, yet they still do and they still come to the forums preaching to the survivors that they had no choice. Like I said I can condone those 3 things only when the survivors are about to escape and you still have no kills but otherwise I can't agree with doing any of those things. The only other time I would condone doing one of those is when you find a recently unhooked player while he was being healed and you down him but still chase the one that was healing, you'de be spugging the first guy but at least you didn't tunnel him which is way worse

But see all you did was mention 1 of multiple ways to take something hostage in the game, in case you haven't noticed in none of my comments I related it to tunneling or slugging specifically, when I mentioned slugging that was a very good example of the game ending in an unatural way there is nothing natural of blocking all means of exit by exploiting their conditions to open in the first place, also when I mentioned taking hostage I never said specifically the term taking THE GAME hostage unless I talked about something that is reportable like the aformentioned slugging second to last survivor, others might be redifigning the term but in this case nobody did because in the case of camping, the killer is literally protecting the hooked survivors from their would be rescuers which is the exact same as a hostage situation (like in tv for example) where they are doing that to get some sort of advantage or to get something out of it.

I'll admit I didn't know about the upvote thing because I myself have never tried it, but good to know you have though since that further solidifies my acusation especially when all of your comments seem to always get one really fast especially with the fact that upvoting something is bassically pointless and that this discussion isn't exactly new anymore and also that some of your comments are further out on the pages of this discussion. But then again what would I know since according to you I'm a kid, but then again you might be one since you're saying really lame stuff like "worry not young grasshopper, your schooling is complete. Go forth with the knowledge you have been enlightened with." and putting little smiley faces at the end of what you wright, and immidiately calling someone else kid when you feel the need to be someone older when nobody had taken a shot at you... I mean it's either that or you're just childish wich is worse, either way how about you go take a nap since you clearly seem cranky

The devs have said that a hostage situation is one where one or more players are behaving in such a way that the game will not end unless the other player(s) disconnect. Slugging, for example, has a fixed time limit of 4 minutes. Bodyblocking the two remaining survivors in a corner before the EGC starts, on the other hand, can go on forever.

That's the definition the devs use. You can disagree with their usage of the term, but this is what they mean when they say "holding the game hostage".

You act like I don't know what it's like to be camped. Dude, I have over 2k hours in this game at this point amd I'm devotion 9. I've seen it all. I've never asked for things to be skewed one way or the other because I obviously enjoy playing and don't want the game to go to utter #########. I'm going to call out bs when I see it because I'm not letting some false narrative dictate the direction this game ends up going in.

I agreed when Ghostface came out that he got exposed too easily. I've agreed that noed is fine as is. I can't fathom why people protect face camping so vehemently as if that's fun for anyone involved or should be an acceptable way to play every game.

I agree that was stupid of them to do in that scenario, but I can't be expected to control what other people do. If I knew someone was getting face camped that hard? Sorry, but unless I have BT (which I never bother running) and knew I could get the save, I'm not coming just to give him another kill he doesn't deserve.

I don't typically play in a 4 man and if you ever have, you'd know people don't listen to reason. They see a teammate struggling to death who also wishes to be able to play who's probably asking for help. It's awful to have to ignore that because you know in the end it'll cost you more than it's worth, but if you want actual progress you have to ignore it. In the end if everyone complied you get a max of 3 gens done typically and that's basically if all conditions are perfect.

That said, I don't feel like I should have to be explaining why it shouldn't be okay for someone to face camp you to death on your first hook with little to no gens done and this brings us back to the fact that we shouldn't be the ones having to balance the game out for them. We shouldn't be tasked with punishing killers for doing something they shouldn't be or do you want more perks like DS for people to complain about?

I don't know about you, but I rarely ever jump on the first gen I see. That's how you get three gen'd or snuck up on because you have no awareness of the map you're on or what you're up against.

I know I'm saying that that isn't the only way though because yeah slugging has a time limit but it's still 4 minutes that the killer has the freedom to hunt the other one without the posibility for escape, also the goal the survivors have at that point is them both escaping which is impossible if the killer is keeping heavy preasure so the last survivor standing has to keep trying to revive the downed survivor or the downed survivor has to dc to give the other the chance at escape

Well, you're wrong. 4 minutes can't go on forever. That's not holding the game hostage. The downed survivor can just bleed out and die.